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  1. johnny says

    Much ado about nothing.

    It was a slip, let it go. Baldwin is probably just fine with gays.

    Who among us has not used the word “queen” as an invective meant to hurt? Does this mean we can’t be catty from now on?

    Bigger fish to fry, seriously.

  2. NullNaught says

    It was a homophobic rant. By denying it, he shows how homophobic he really is; and he is a supposed ally. I think this shows what straight people are actually like. There tolerance is very thin in deed. Just scratch the surface and you will see how ugly they are.

  3. JMC says

    The fact that his response to this was to insult the gay man who called him out is really telling about his character. His use of queen didnt bother mr half as much before reading this bullsh*t.

  4. Onnyjay says

    Um, time to take a chill pill, Alec, you’re just making things worse and sounding stupider by the minute. Time for a chat with your shrink?

  5. Randyowen says

    The guy has been an ally, and i think it went to his head, he thinks he gets a pass because he is ALEC FREAKING BALDWIN…(sarcasm) I don’t think this shows anything about straight allies but a lot about celebrities perception of reality..

  6. MARCUS BACHMANN says

    “Anderson Cooper has a job to do. And that job is to try to reinforce his credibility in the gay community after the fact that you couldn’t get him out of the closet for 10 years with a canister of tear gas. Now he’s the sheriff. Now he’s running around writing everybody a ticket!”

    BINGO!

  7. WHATWHAT says

    I was never overly offended by Alec’s initial rant. Not the best choice of words, but calling someone a “toxic queen” just doesn’t ruffle my feathers, even coming from a straight person.

    But I am dying at his rant about Anderson Cooper. Again, should he have said it? Definitely not. But to me it rings completely TRUE and spot on.

    On that note… zip your lips Alec. No need to bring more negative attention on yourself.

  8. Chitown Kev says

    Simply because Alec Baldwin is a gay ally in the political sense doesn’t mean that he isn’t homophobic; the two are not mutually exclusive.

    I gave him a pass for the “uptight queen” comment.

    I’m not willing to give him a pass for this and then you want to compound it by going after Anderson Cooper?

  9. Just_a_guy says

    Don’t mess with Anderson, buddy. This Alic Baldwin fellow is way out of line. He just dug himself deeper. Why attack someone who once faced a glass ceiling /closet dilemma?! No. Alic, you strike me as someone who had everything handed to you, and was just lucky enough to face no real life challenges. Umm…oh wait, that IS you, Alec. You should be ashamed of these outbursts, bud. Not pretty.

  10. Steven says

    I listened to the whole interview yesterday when it was live. Alec is correct, now that Anderson is out he thinks he speaks with moral authority.
    Anderson didn’t come out until he needed press for his failing daytime talk show. Alec has been an ally for our community for years.

    He was spot on in his view of Cooper.

  11. JY says

    Oh for god’s sake, grow the hell up, people. He’s a long time gay ally, and should be able to use the same terms we do, and sorry, but Anderson Cooper is the LAST person to wave his little finger at someone else.

  12. Jack says

    Alec Baldwin said, “a queen to me has a different meaning”
    What if he said FAG?!? What if he claimed Fag had a different meaning? We don’t accept it from others, why are we accepting it from him?

  13. JY says

    Also, just_a_guy, you really want to cry about Anderson Cooper having to “face a glass closet/ceiling?” Give me a break! He’s in showbiz, and his mother is Gloria Vanderbilt! He’s the heir to a $200m fortune, and never had to worry about a damn thing in his whole life.

  14. Gerry says

    What’s wrong with Towleroad today, first Weiner now Baldwin… ok, I can’t tell you how many times I’ve heard other gays call each other queens…fat queen, old queen, bitter queen, sad queen, drunk queen, tina queen, drugged out queen, lard ass queen, etc…. although I have to admit I’ve never heard “toxic” queen… but whatever. If the current politically correct lexicon is to avoid the usage of the word queen or it’s joining with a pejorative adjective then I suggest we police our own community first. I find it hard to believe that Anderson Cooper has never called someone a queen with a negative connotation. Nothing to see here folks, move along… jeezzzzzzzz….

  15. gr8guyca says

    Alec is digging a deeper hole for himself. The longer he keeps this story alive, the worse he sounds. He should just have issued a very simple apology and never discussed it again.

    Attacking Anderson Cooper doesn’t make himself look any better.
    I don’t think that Alec has a gay problem. I think he has an anger management problem.

  16. Steven says

    JUST_A_GUY you really should know what your talking about before you comment. Alec comes from a working class family. The first acting job he got he took the money and put a roof on his mother’s house.

    Anderson is Gloria Vanderbilt’s son who was born with a silver spoon in his mouth.

    Your comment about Alec having everything handed to him is laughable.

  17. Francis #1 says

    Alec is one of those heterosexuals who hang around gay men and within the LGBT community so much, he basically sees himself as one of us. You know what I mean, the straights who are “in the know” so they feel absolved from basically any responsibility regarding anything they say. And thus, he speaks the same way many gay men I’m sure he knows speaks.

    I don’t disagree about what he said regarding Anderson, at the same time, out or not, Anderson has always been gay (obviously) and thus a homophobic quip (at least in Anderson’s eyes) will get under his skin and he has the right to express that. Really, I’m mixed on how I feel. We all know damn well if someone like…..Bill O’Reilly said what Alec Baldwin did, there would be outrage. So consistency is needed.

  18. David From Canada says

    Alec strikes again! But I must admit that I really laughed when he said, “You couldn’t get Anderson Cooper out of the closet for ten years with a canister of tear gas!”
    Whether that’s true or false, it is funny.
    Alec is just being Alec – you’re not going to get him to change.
    He does more harm to himself than anyone else.

  19. Chitown Kev says

    @Rowan

    Agreed.

    But Baldwin is not the one to do that, particularly in light of these homophobic comments.

    I pretty much agree with GR8GUYCA that Baldwin has a severe anger management problem and going off on Cooper (and who didn’t know that a) Coop was gay and b) why Coop would stay in the closet…agree or disagree with his reason)

  20. anon says

    @GERRY…. Gays get to use the word queen in the same way that African Americans get to use the “N” word. But, straight people can’t use the word queen, just like white people can’t use the “N” word.

    And, no, Alec doesn’t get to make up a new definition for what queen means anymore than Azalea Banks gets to make up her own definition of what fag means.

  21. JY says

    Christ, now it’s one of those “we can use the word queen as a pejorative against someone we think isn’t sexy enough, but if a straight person uses it against some gay guy who was LYING ABOUT HIS WIFE, it’s the same as the n-word”? Give.me.a.BREAK.

  22. JONES says

    Filter On

    Alec is not an enemy. He has a wicked sense of humor. And anger issues.
    Toxic little queen is now part of the lexicon. And then there’s publicity.
    AC likes controversy for ratings. Bet he also likes the closet/tear gas joke.

    Perhaps their swords have crossed before.

  23. Brian1 says

    Don’t forget the second part of his quote in the first story guys. In addition to him calling the guy a toxic queen, he said he wanted to shove his foot up his ass, but he was afraid the guy would enjoy it too much. There is just no way that this squares with his subsequent explanation that he meant queen as above it all, arrogant etc. He meant queen as in queeny gay guy because who else would enjoy a foot up his ass?

    I have no doubt Alex votes for our side and all, but deep down he doesn’t like us, and I think that’s magnified by his subsequent Anderson Cooper attack. But as someone else said you can be an ally and a homophobe, and I’m ok with that.

  24. Kenneth says

    He may profess to be a Lib, but we all know Alec is the kind of A-hole that if he worked with you and knew or suspected you were gay, would be telling fag jokes all day long. Go away Alec, you’re just annoying.

  25. Belthazar says

    “Anderson Cooper has a job to do. And that job is to try to reinforce his credibility in the gay community after the fact that you couldn’t get him out of the closet for 10 years with a canister of tear gas. Now he’s the sheriff. Now he’s running around writing everybody a ticket!”

    LMAO! In Kathy Griffin’s voice, you cannot tell me he hasn’t master the ‘comeback’ like a snarky old queen!

  26. anon says

    @JY… pejoratives are pejoratives. They all work the same way. The N word isn’t the only racial pejorative that white people can’t use and fag isn’t the only gay pejorative that straight people can’t use.

    Why did Alec need to use a pejorative for gay at all? Why couldn’t he just have called the guy a lying a-hole?

  27. David says

    “To me those are people who think the rules don’t apply to them.” So when Alec Baldwin doesn’t turn off his phone on a plane, he’s being a queen?

  28. Yeek says

    Alec strikes me as someone who says offensive things primarily out of bad habit, but deep down he knows better and is actually a pretty decent guy to gay people. Sort of the opposite of the preachers who tell us how much they love us and respect us while knifing us in the back. Alec should change his ways, as we all should, but deeds outweigh words and I’m willing to consider him a friend with failings.

  29. Jeff says

    Will anyone in the media stop overlooking his comment about the guy enjoying being kicked up the ass? That negates his “queen” definition defense

    And will anyone finally pick up on the fact that Alec is the top suspect for being the bisexual Lloyd Boy-Toyed? Click here, folks:

    http://www.eonline.com/news/149239/blind-vice-lloyd-boy-toyed-dares-to-be-outted

    and here:

    http://www.blinditemsexposed.com/search/label/Alec%20Baldwin

    And if he is, will Ted Casablanca please come back and out this a-hole?

  30. JONES says

    Filter off

    Alec wasn’t talking about gays in general but about one very specific gay man, Daily Mail reporter George Stark, who wrote an article demeaning Alec’s wife for tweeting at James Gandolfini’s funeral, which when the facts were checked the story was retracted because it was a lie.

    Being angry at one specific person and insulting them with language meant to hurt doesn’t make him a homophobe. In the heat of anger he used bad judgement and in the information age everyone knew about it immediately.

    What was AC angle? Outrage or controversy? He allowed Kirk Cameron to come on his show and gave him the kid gloves interview yet I can guarantee you that Cameron did a thousand times more damage to the gay community than Alec Baldwin. Asking ‘what if this was Mel Gibson’ is a false canard. Alec is not Mel. Did AC speak to Alec first? Try to reach out to him?

    Alec Baldwin has been an outspoken equality ally for years so no, not gonna throw him away for being angry at Stark for ‘improper reporting’.

  31. David says

    I am sorry a queen is a queen. It is more of a sexism thing if any than being a homophobe. Can we stop the inquisition of the imaginary homophobes? Alec Baldwin may be many things, homophobe, he is not.

  32. Rowan says

    Kev,

    Yeah I agree but when do we live in an ideal situation? I’ve become so blaze that I take what I can get and from where ever it may come.

    Lately I am finding myself agreeing with quite a few right wingers, simply because they are not afraid to share an unpopular opinion.

    Especially as I don’t think Coopers comments were coming from a place of well meaning-he hates liberals and particularly dislikes the NYC liberal gay mafia whom Baldwin hob nobs with.

  33. Jere says

    I have no idea why Baldwin can’t just say “I have anger management issues that I am constantly working to control. I blew up and said something I never would normally have said.” His issues are well-documented through the years and the best way to get all this to just go away is to admit guilt, state the reasons, and move on.

  34. anon says

    @JONES…. Does your explanation mean that if someone is talking about one “specific” African American, the N-word can be used without any problem?

  35. says

    @Kev, that’s the whole point they aren’t homophobic. If you, a gay man (assuming) call me (a gay man (90% sure)) a queen or a f** then are you homophobic? OR ARE YOU JUST MEAN? Alec is a jerk, always has been! But he isn’t hate filled, bigoted or homophobic.

    ALSO, there is simply NO REASON to be so hard on this issue, gay allies can absolutely be humans that get mad and say stuff. The fish we need to fry are doing things like locking down their country against gays, killing us, denying us basic human rights.

  36. says

    Also, Anderson Cooper gets ZERO respect from me. The coward comes out of the closet for his career and does NOTHING to help. Watch Don Lemon interview someone if you think a gay man interviewing someone is “enough”, Don knows how to do it.

    Anderson needs to start a “it gets better” project or something to actually matter in this world.

  37. Munro says

    Also, def on Baldwins side. Not just because he’s talented and hot and hilarious, but because I get him and I understand what he said and where it came from. I’d probably say the same damn thing in the same situation, but the difference is I’m not famous.

  38. NewEnglandMan22 says

    I totally agree w/ Alec!!!!
    Queen is not a derogatory term exclusively held by the gay community!

    Also in regards to Cooper… again Alec is right… he was fighting on our side when Cooper still had a beard and was just starting to shill mediocrity @ CNN. Anderson Cooper is no hero to our community!

  39. Munro says

    Thanks FENROX for mentioning Don Lemon. He’s awesome and a gifted journalist but he’s black and not a Vanderbilt so we sit hear much about him.

  40. Nicholas says

    It’s really more than just the use of the term “queen,” Mr. Baldwin then said he’d “put a foot in your (the reporter’s) ass, but you’d probably dig it too much.” which is quite clearly homophobic. To slight Anderson Cooper personally because Mr. Baldwin is upset someone noteworthy called him out on his homophobic nonsense, is poor form at the least and clearly distasteful; it is simply an attempt to distract from his obviously absurd and homophobic behavior. Even if he isn’t a homophobe, his rant was so outrageous, petty and infantile, I still would think he’s a worthless jackass.

  41. db says

    I really like Alec Baldwin (as an actor, I don’t know him personally which is why I can say I like him) but, like Donald Trump, he needs to learn when to let things go. He won’t come out looking any better by criticizing the people who called him on his rant. I don’t think Alec Baldwin is a homophobe–but I think he is a jerk and needs to know when to quit.

  42. Jay says

    Sorry, Baldwin just isn’t too smart. He should be dropped from those dreadful ads he does. When he becomes half the person Anderson Cooper is, then he might be able to say something intelligent about him, but I’m not holding my breath. The whole premise of his attack on Anderson is false. Long before he came out officially, he was standing up for fairness and for the gay community. With friends like him, we don’t need enemies.

  43. I wont grow up says

    Baldwin is a homophobic blowhard who is just doing damage control. In other words he is a typical Hollywood liberal, who has been caught espousing his TRUE feelings.

  44. Adam says

    I am sick of ‘allies’ getting passes simply because they are allies. Alec Baldwin is a disgusting pig who uses homophobic slurs. Own it, Alec.

  45. anon says

    @JONES, yes, I equate all racial pejoratives and all gay pejoratives. I don’t see any value in ranking them in any “order of offensiveness”. Therefore, I find the N word, or j@ngle b@nny or p@rch m@nkey all offensive and not just the N word and I find them all equally offensive as f@ggot, f@g, homo, queen, sissy, pansy etc and any other term you can think of that is used against race or sexual orientation. There is never any reason for anyone outside of the specific communities to use these terms.

    What I really find surprising is for a member of the LGBT community to feel that gay pejoratives are less offensive than racial pejoratives.

  46. JONES says

    ‘I equate all racial pejoratives and all gay pejoratives’

    I don’t.
    I’m not offended by queer or homo. I am offended by fag/faggot. Some pejoratives are more offensive than others. Faggot in the mouth of a hater is the closest to the racial slur N. My answer to your question was that ‘toxic queen’ is an insult but not a homophobic slur whether it comes from a gay man or an ally and no, it is not in the same class of insult as a racially motivated insult saying N.

    What I find surprising is that you would deliberately mischaracterize what I say. Please be so kind to point out where you find me saying that gay slurs are less offensive than racial slurs?

  47. Chevytexas says

    Move along…nothing to see here. Anderson is trying to recapture ratings, Baldwin is digging his usual bunker. I now have Sheriff Andy giggles.

  48. says

    It wasn’t just the “toxic queen” comment, it was that coupled with the fact he implied that said “toxic queen” would enjoy something up his ass. Whether Mr. Baldwin is homophobic is up to personal opinion, but the comments he made were in fact homophobic. Just because a white guy calls one specific african-american person the n word doesn’t stop people from thinking they are a racist.

  49. JONES says

    ‘There is never any reason for anyone outside of the specific communities to use these terms.’

    This line of reasoning I also find ‘surprising’. If a member of your own community uses those words to you it’s OK but someone outside your community, even an ally, uses it the he is either a homophobe or racist?

    BS

  50. anon says

    @JONES

    “What I find surprising is that you would deliberately mischaracterize what I say. Please be so kind to point out where you find me saying that gay slurs are less offensive than racial slurs?”

    This entire post is you specifically saying that you find gay slurs less offensive than racial slurs. You say the only one that even comes close is f@ggot, but only in the mouth of a hater.

    In an earlier post you said queen wasn’t offensive when used against one specific person and not the entire community. So, you implied that queen is offensive when used against the entire community. So, I asked if the same goes for the N word. Can it be used against a specific person. And, your response was shock that I would equate a gay slur to a racial slur. So, there again you showed you find gay slurs less offensive than racial slurs. Now, maybe it is only the N-word that you find so offensive because you haven’t addressed any of the other racial slur examples I cited. So, I don’t know how you compare those to gay slurs.

  51. anon says

    @JONES…. I give members of the communities a pass for their use of pejoratives only because there are those in the communities (both racial or LGBT) who say they use the terms because they are reclaiming them. Someone outside of the communities has no right to make that claim. You can’t “reclaim” a word that was never used against you.

    Are you suggesting that African Americans can’t use the N word? Are you claiming there are times when it is appropriate for a white person to use the N word?

  52. JONES says

    ‘This entire post is you specifically saying that you find gay slurs less offensive than racial slurs.’

    Total mischaracterization.
    I never brought up race. You did. You asked if using N against a specific person was OK. I asked if you equate ‘toxic queen’ to N. You said you do. I answered I don’t. Toxic queen is an insult, not necessarily a slur. N is a racial slur. You turn that into me finding gay slurs less offensive that racial slurs.

    ‘You say the only one that even comes close is f@ggot, but only in the mouth of a hater.’

    Again total mischaracterization.
    What I said was (quote) ‘Faggot in the mouth of a hater is the closest to the racial slur N.’

    Closest in terms of intended harm in usage is not ‘less offensive’.

  53. Rehab says

    I love Alec Baldwin and I can totally forgive him for saying these things.

    But I like him less for trying to pretend he didn’t mean his remarks to demean the reporter (who is probably gay), just as he might have demeaned somebody who was short as a “midget.” Out of anger and frustration, not genuine hate.

    And I have to say that Towle, which I like a lot, left out the most damning thing of all that Baldwin said, which was:

    “I would stick my boot up your ass, but you’d probably enjoy it too much.”

    You’re telling me that’s not an anti-gay remark?

  54. anon says

    @JONES…. F@ggot in the mouth of ANYONE is not just “close” to the N word. It is absolutely EQUAL to the N word whether you are talking about either offensiveness or intended harm.

    Oh, and notice it was just in your latest post where you added the disclaimer of intended harm vs offensive. That wasn’t in your original statement. So, I was not mischaracterizing when your statement didn’t say what you now claim to have meant.

  55. JONES says

    You used the words less offensive, not me. You misconstrued the words.
    ‘Intended harm’ is not a disclaimer it’s a definition for those that misdirect.

    ‘F@ggot in the mouth of ANYONE is not just “close” to the N word. It is absolutely EQUAL to the N word whether you are talking about either offensiveness or intended harm.’

    Faggot in the mouth of another faggot is the equivalent of N in the mouth of another AA. Is it then always offensive? Get my point now?

  56. JONES says

    “I would stick my boot up your ass, but you’d probably enjoy it too much.”

    Hurtful words, absolutely. Hurtful words expressed in rage, yes. Homophobic, no. Not in this case. The reporter told lies intended to make his wife look shallow. At the funeral of a friend. The story was retracted. Alec was hurt and angry and he lashed out. He has anger issues, but no he is not a hompohobe or hater. If anyone in the gay community said this exact same thing in this situation this wouldn’t be a story.

    There are plenty of haters in the world to go after. Alec Baldwin is not one of them.

  57. anon says

    @JONES…. F@ggot in the mouth of any non gay man is EQUALLY as offensive as the N word in the mouth of any non African American.

    “Toxic Queen” in the mouth of any non gay man is equally as offensive as “P@rch M@nkey” in the mouth of any non African American.

    Alex Baldwin is white and straight. He can’t say any of these either as slurs or insults for any reason.

  58. Wilberforce says

    Baldwin has always been a loose cannon. And I’m sure he learned to use queen from his gay friends. It’s a non-issue.
    Cooper shouldn’t have made an issue of it. Our friends can speak our language. And those of us who want to keep our friends, should have no problem with a long time supporter like Baldwin.

  59. JONES says

    Yes he can. He shouldn’t but he can.
    It’s an insult, not a homophobic slur.

    Same as if my friend, straight or not, white, black or purple, gets mad at me and calls me a drama queen. We both know it’s not a homophobic slur. It’s an insult.

    Stop trying to equate ‘queen’ in the mouth of a straight white man to any racial slur. Your false equivalency is ridiculous. That’s the same thing as AC asking ‘what if this was Mel Gibson?’ Deal with the specifics of Mel Gibson with Mel Gibson. Deal with the specifics of Alec Baldwin with Alec Baldwin.

  60. andrew says

    Alec is just as crazy as his brother Steve. Alec just gets lots of passes because he is a “liberal”. He clearly has an anger management problem. He has to spend a lot of time trying to explain his frequent rants. If he ever thought about a future in elective office, these crazy rants and feeble attempts at explaining them, have killed that dream. At least, I hope so.

  61. anon says

    @JONES… so, according to you, all racial epithets are slurs but all gay epithets, except maybe f@ggot, are insults.

    You are just wrong about that. Race does not trump sexual orientation.

  62. Markt says

    Wow. Has no one been angry and found a racial or ethnic slur come to their lips? I try not to use the words fag or queen but I find I do sometimes when I’m angry. There’s not one holier-than-thou on this blog who hasn’t done the same. Mr. Baldwin being a drama queen with anger issues was bound to end up in this position. Sometimes I think the gay community – especially the gay male community – could be so unforgiving as to reject the entire world including themselves.

  63. JONES says

    @anon
    Wow. Do you ever not misdirect?
    Where did I say all? I said queer and homo are not slurs to me. TO ME. Faggot is the worst. FOR ME. It might not be for others. Some find queer offensive, I DON’T.

    Regardless of what word is used it has to be understood in the context of how and why it was said. AA to AA: N is not offensive. Me and my friends: faggot is not offensive. Do you think that an AA using N to another AA means he is a racist? Am I a homophobe because I call my friend a queen? If an AA gay friend calls me a toxic queen is he automatically a racist/homophobe? These are rhetorical questions and you don’t need to answer them. They’re just examples to make you think.

    I’ve never brought race into this discussion. You did. At no time EVER did I say that racial insults trump sexual orientation insults. Not in actual words or in intent.

    You are so far out on a limb with that nonsense.

    Deal with specifics and with what is actually said, not what you want to read into it.

  64. anon says

    first, several post back I said that these slurs could be used inside their own community. So, please stop bringing up that misdirection of yours.

    Second, you are the one that keeps calling gay slurs “insults” instead of slurs with the exception of f@g. But, you have not yet identified any racial comment as an “insult” instead of a slur.
    Yes, I brought race into this to show that people give gay slurs a pass where they wouldn’t do the same for racial slurs. You are worse than most because you don’t even consider derogatory terms for gays to be slurs.

    I keep trying to get you to address other terms such as j@ngle b@nny or p@rch M@nkey. But, you refuse to address them.

    Here’s the last question what gay term besides f@ggot do you consider a slur and not just an insult? And, what racial terms do you consider to be insults instead of slurs?

    We will not have achieved full equality until it is considered just as socially unacceptable to use gay “insults” as it is to use racial “slurs”.

  65. Red says

    I don’t see how anyone can keep letting Baldwin off the hook with his history of angry, homophobic and racist rants. This man has SERIOUS issues and on some level he MEANS those slurs. I don’t trust him and his comments about Anderson Cooper only cement my opinion of him. Anderson was calling out homophobes even BEFORE he came out publicly – (Towleroad has posted many of AC’s LGBT-related interviews/clips over the years on 360), this is not about trying to be some kind of gay “sheriff” now that he’s out, this is what he’s ALWAYS done. What Baldwin said is inappropriate and inexcusable and AC was right to hit him over the head with it. That some here would defend the nasty homophobe and slam AC is completely bizarre.

  66. Wilberforce says

    I think the young crowd is off base on this. Queen is part of a lexicon of the older generation, along with Mary, darling, Sweet Maria, girl, gurl fren, big girl, etc… They’re silly and fun insults, and we don’t get all bent about it.
    Alec is from our generation and has had serious training from the Hollywood set. Get over it Mary.

  67. Name: says

    Could someone please tell me how AB is a “gay ally”? I’m now able to reference him going after a barista, and 2 reporters, one being AC. AB’s career is about to go the way of his Born Again anti gay brother. Bye Bye Baldwins!

  68. JONES says

    ‘First, several post back I said that these slurs could be used inside their own community. So, please stop bringing up that misdirection of yours.’

    My questions to you were examples with specific language usage within specific groups in response to your last statement that ‘according to me ALL racial epitaphs are slurs while all gay epitaphs, except faggot, are insults.’ So showing you instances of when they’re not epitaphs to you is a misdirection?
    Seriously?

    What about by those outside a specific community? Are you saying that it’s always a racial or orientation slur? Specifics of context or association mean nothing? When a teenage boy asks his friend if he’s a pouf you equate pouf to faggot so he’s automatically a homophobe?

    ‘Yes, I brought race into this to show that people give gay slurs a pass where they wouldn’t do the same for racial slurs.’

    That wasn’t your original question though was it? You asked about using the N word and in response I asked if you equate ‘toxic queen’ to N. Your answer was that you equate all derogatory words as equal. I answered you that to me they’re not all equal depending on who is using them and the context of that usage. You now equate that as giving a pass but I say you’re dealing in very broad generalities that fall apart in specific real life circumstances. Like this one. Alec Baldwin didn’t call an AA a N. He reacted in anger and called a gay man that degraded his wife a toxic queen. You want to equate that as the same thing? That’s ludicrous.

    ‘You are worse than most because you don’t even consider derogatory terms for gays to be slurs.’

    You presume to the point of absurdity. Because you think all derogatory words are equal and do the same amount of harm? They don’t.
    N is pretty much accepted today as the apex of derogatory terms for an AA. Black was hated until it was embraced by the AA community but some elderly AA still don’t like it. You equate Black to N? For intent to harm?

    When a college group calls themselves ‘Queer Nation’ are they using the word queer as a slur? Is the banner on this site ‘homosexual tendencies’ a slur? You call yourself gay? Some hate that word. Teenagers use it to insult ‘that’s so gay’. You going to challenge everyone that doesn’t agree with you and insist that they’re all equal in harm?
    You don’t have dominion over words. Yours is not the last word of acceptability for anyone but yourself.

    ‘Here’s the last question what gay term besides f@ggot do you consider a slur and not just an insult? And, what racial terms do you consider to be insults instead of slurs?’

    I don’t usually let individual words have that much power over ME. Faggot in the mouth of a hater riles me but, again, it’s not the same as when a friend says it, in jest or anger. Fudge-packer is meant to be a slur but it just makes me laugh. Poof/pouf is cute. Shirtlifter, nelly, queen are innocuous.

    ‘I keep trying to get you to address other terms such as j@ngle b@nny or p@rch M@nkey. But, you refuse to address them.’

    What’s the relevance? Any words used in a derogatory manner can hurt. If a friend gets angry for something I’ve done and calls me a p0rch m0nkey is he automatically a homophobe or is he someone that reacted in anger and grabbed at words to hurt? One time incident or repeated? If he calls me a j#ngle b#nny in reference to how I dance is that automatically a slur? Should I cut him or do I laugh? Context matters.

  69. juan says

    If thats the best straight supporter the community can have as a gay ally- someone who uses terms like queen and ‘straighten him out’ as insults, then the community has settled for crap. Is it the most important fight, no. But once looked at, you show how deep the prejudice and hurtfull language is used. How can you say ‘queen’ has nothing to do with sex, a gender is put into the word.

    And then he scandalizes the victim, a traditional tactic. To comment on how Cooper kept his life private for so long and then being the spokesperson is a personal attack obviously and that is disrespectful. Being a straight white man in USA, he has no idea what its like to make decisions about when to come out and how it will affect your life. Its like making fun of someone who finally stands up for themselves.

    Hes really made homophobic, sexist comments that come from a white male priveledged place and he doesnt get it.

  70. juan says

    If thats the best straight supporter the community can have as a gay ally- someone who uses terms like queen and ‘straighten him out’ as insults, then the community has settled for crap. Is it the most important fight, no. But once looked at, you show how deep the prejudice and hurtfull language is used. How can you say ‘queen’ has nothing to do with sex, a gender is put into the word.

    And then he scandalizes the victim, a traditional tactic. To comment on how Cooper kept his life private for so long and then being the spokesperson is a personal attack obviously and that is disrespectful. Being a straight white man in USA, he has no idea what its like to make decisions about when to come out and how it will affect your life. Its like making fun of someone who finally stands up for themselves.

    Hes really made homophobic, sexist comments that come from a white male priveledged place and he doesnt get it.

  71. Ray says

    What right does a straight man like Baldwin have to judge when and how Anderson Cooper chose to come out publicly? To me, that’s as offensive as his bigoted name-calling.

  72. Daniel B. says

    Yes, you need to grow up. He has been an ally and all of you sound as if he has done something horrible. This is getting way out of proportion. As someone said, every little word is homophobic nowadays.
    Some of you start to sound like the black minority – easily offended and nagging.
    Alec is great and I don’t mind him using “queen” when all of you use it and use even worse words.

  73. sfjerry says

    To me it’s still a double standard. Look at how Paula Deen was vilified for having used the N-word decades ago compared to how Baldwin gets a free pass. Asking ourselves why seems like a fair question.

  74. Red says

    He’s a jerk, even to his own daughter. This is not someone worthy of defense. He’s dead wrong about Anderson Cooper too and really doesn’t have a right to judge him at all.

  75. Gary says

    It’s the GLADD/Baldwin connection where the truth lies. By reputation any homophobic utterance is picked up by GLADD like a lint brush. Anderson got it right, but it’s interesting how Baldwin has been keeping track of Cooper’s years in the closet. GLAAD is suspect. Ignore Baldwin. His rants know no target.

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