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  1. Wavin' Dave says

    Yeah, because who’s more experienced in the workings of families than someone who took vows never to have one? And who seems slightly-less-than-believable when he uses “they” and “them” to describe gay men, of which he surely is one? I’d like a half-hour in a dark alley to tenderize this queen. He’d have trouble finding his bejeweled necklace after I shoved it…

  2. robertL says

    This is an alcoholic guilty of the biblical sin of gluttony. This is a man that is more concerned about an outside force call “gay” and its effects on his church – than divorce and abortion, which are directly affecting the population of his church. This is a classic example of when you have a problem redirect it to another area.

  3. Keppler says

    Sorry, but I’m unconvinced. I’ve been waiting to see how the bishops would respond faced with a Pope who lacks the ideological zeal of Ratzinger. The response has largely been to tread cautiously, as Cordileone does here: feign sympathy, but hold the party line. If Francis survives the conservative backlash that will surely come to punish him for his “Marxism,” we’ll see a kinder, gentler catholic hierarchy. And if not, it’ll be back to the brimstone of Benedict. Hallelujah!

  4. Keppler says

    Sorry, but I’m unconvinced. I’ve been waiting to see how the bishops would respond faced with a Pope who lacks the ideological zeal of Ratzinger. The response has largely been to tread cautiously, as Cordileone does here: feign sympathy, but hold the party line. If Francis survives the conservative backlash that will surely come to punish him for his “Marxism,” we’ll see a kinder, gentler catholic hierarchy. And if not, it’ll be back to the brimstone of Benedict. Hallelujah!

  5. borut says

    With equality for gay people gaining majority support in society, the churches will have to stop their war on gays, otherwise their members will turn their backs on them. But these organizations can’t exist without an enemy and without hate-mongering. It’s their way of energizing their believers and maintaining power. They will turn onto some other minority. It used to be the Jews, the heretics, the divorcees … Who will be next?

  6. borut says

    With equality for gay people gaining majority support in society, the churches will have to stop their war on gays, otherwise their members will turn their backs on them. But these organizations can’t exist without an enemy and without hate-mongering. It’s their way of energizing their believers and maintaining power. They will turn onto some other minority. It used to be the Jews, the heretics, the divorcees … Who will be next?

  7. Sean says

    It is illegal for American law to reflect his religious beliefs and definitions. Legal incontestable fact. Expanding the definition of civil marriage, which is issued by the secular government not the pedophile protecting Catholic cult – I mean church or any house of worship, DOES promote the common good and protect authentic Constitutional rights. The United States Constitution is the ONLY law in America, it as American citizens those rights apply to LGBT human beings also whether he likes it or not – whether he agrees or approves or not. His opinion is irrelevant because not one American is required to adhere to his religious beliefs, PERIOD.

    Get over it fascist Cordileone and learn to live in this secular nation or move to a religious dictatorship.

    P.S. Pay taxes or STFU moocher.

  8. Lucca says

    Well, when you think about it, the use of the word “tenderize” falls into place when considering the sacrament; it’s a cannibalistic ritual.

    “Eat me, Cordileone” has a whole new meaning with this tenderize stuff.

    Ew.

  9. john patrick says

    That’s a nice, sparkly ring with a big stone. Is that amethyst?

    Cordileone needs to do more than just go to places where LGBT people are, with his unchangeable positions – with his beliefs he wants to share. Nevertheless, he has changed one thing. Now that he can’t force his beliefs into the law, he is saying he is “offering” them. But who wants to accept a fancy wrapped gift of rotten garbage?

  10. Taylor says

    Talk is cheap…and his talk seems to be on the .99 cent table.

    Put that talk in to action. Otherwise, it’s simply more empty rhetoric. Which the church seems to have in abundance!

  11. Leo88 says

    What condescending garbage.

    Extending marriage rights to gays in Hawaii runs counter to “rebuilding a culture of the family” says he. Everything you need to know about this man and his ideas is right there.

    Not possible to consider for a moment that extending marriage rights to gays is exactly helping to rebuild a culture of the family? Not possible because why? Because “family” hinges on genitalia. It’s not about sex, but then again It’s about nothing, but sex.

    And there’s no common good being served when LGBT people form healthy and stable relationships. It would be better for the common good if LGBT people were to remain disconnected and rootless? The Bishop can demonstrate this principle action?

    Inauthentic rights? Whaa? Inauthentic rights for inauthentic people and their inauthentic families?

  12. Bart says

    All this non-talk: “terderizes”, “common good”, “authentic rights”. This is all nonsense. And there’s only one reason to talk around something…because you are wrong.

    My seven year old does it all the time. Sadly, this bishop is no better. No excuse, no cogent argument…prattle on in code,

  13. simon says

    They were just some freaks who were thrown to the lions in the early Roman Empire. By an accident in history, they came to believe in their own infallibility and invincibility. Perhaps they should reread their own history and realize that times have changed and their luck has run out. Such arrogance will only hasten their downfall.

  14. simon says

    Common good means if you give them your money, they will sell you a promise of heaven. You both get something in the deal. The authentic right is their historic right to dictate everything both on Earth and in heaven.

  15. woody says

    Francis would never have approved his placement as archbishop of San Francisco. It was one of the last mean-spirited moves by Benedict and Cardinal Burke and a giant middle finger to the world’s most iconic gay city.
    I wonder what it’s like to be the archbishop of a city that hates you.
    Sal… whatta guy…

  16. simon says

    Woody:
    I don’t think Pope Francis necessarily disagrees with what he said. Those things after all are in the official Church teachings. The Archbishop may be a a little bit too obsessed with the gays. Francis may have said similar things before he became Pope. The Church is in a dilemma here not unlike that of the GOP. While they want to recruit new members, they don’t want to offend their old customers either.

  17. TonyJazz says

    So, Simon, isn’t that part of the point? The church makes up the rules as it goes along (yes, to ameliorate the public), which means there is no truth there to begin with.

    Phoney! As Phoney as Cordileone!

    Shame on him for promoting inequality and hatred. Shame on him for not resigning so that San Francisco could have a better church representative.

    And shame on those who buy his lines….

  18. andrew says

    Well he doesn’t have horns. He is not as bad as the hateful Fundamentalists Ministers. He is certainly no Phil Robertson. On the other hand, except for visiting a Catholic Aids Hospice, he hasn’t done anything to meet with and dialogue with Gay Catholics and other Gay Leaders in San Francisco. As to Pope Francis: I think Gay People and liberals in general are seeing something that isn’t there. His views are not substantially different than his predecessors. Francis certainly is a warmer more approachable man than Benedict. But, I think it is largely a difference in style and tone only.

  19. woody says

    simon,
    fracis did make anti-gay marriage comments as archbishop of buenos aires, but that was expected of him under benedict.
    since he’s become pope, he’s has made no disparaging comments about gay people and has pretty much say the church leaders have been focusing on us too much and should lay off.
    there are anti gay marriage comments in the first encyclical with of his papacy, but all those comments were written by benedict who wrote most of the piece before he stepped down.
    it was published under francis with his name, but that, in the vatican, is also expected as deference to the prior pope.
    francis does not think speaking out against gays is constructive and clearly wants the church to lay off. unfortunately, the current crop of bishops were put in place by benedict and jp2 and are social and religious regressives.
    it will take a pretty long time for that tho change, as benedict put in a lot of relatively young bishops and purged the seminaries for progressive professors–especially in the united states.
    it’s a bad situation, but the pope is a good person.
    cordileone is a bastard who said what he needed to say to rocket to a high position under the benedict administration where american bishop appointments were chosen by the super evil cardinal burke, former archbishop of st. louis.

  20. ratbastard says

    LOL. I said FU to the church when I was still attending an all boys Catholic HS. BTW: The headmaster was as queer as a 3 dollar bill, and we all were well aware of it and cracked constant jokes. And true to stereotypes, he did indeed like to hang around a little too much in the boys lockerroom when we were in our underwear. Oh man, one kid use to get a big bulge in his shorts,laugh and make sure the “head” master got a good look. Serious, I am not sh@ting you. We were crazy. I know it sounds like the cheesy plot of a porn movie,but I lived it for real. Unbelievable hypocrisy.

  21. andrew says

    @RATBASTARD: What all boys Catholic HS did you go to? I have never heard of a Catholic HS where the Principal had the title Headmaster. You’re right it does sound like the cheesy plot of a porn movie.

  22. ratbastard says

    @Andrew,

    His title was indeed headmaster. On a side note, in Catholic elementary school the nuns would refer to us as students as Master (fill in the blank). I of course was master ratbastard ; )

    Andrew, everything I wrote is 100%true. Our headmaster was flaming, we all were aware he was gay,as well as several lay teachers and brothers. my experiences at a all boys Catholic HS were very homoerotic.

  23. andrew says

    @WOODY: Did you know that the first appointment that Pope Francis made to be an Archbishop, that wasn’t already in the pipeline from Benedict, was the appointment of Leonard Blair to be Archbishop of Hartford Connecticut? Leonard Blair was one of three Bishops that Benedict appointed to investigate the Leadership Conference of Women Religious, a group that represents 80% of Nuns in USA. They have long been accused by Vatican bureaucrats of being too liberal. Bishop Leonard Blair’s report said that the Nuns were ” undermining Catholic teaching on homosexuality and birth control and promoting radical feminists themes inconsistent with the Catholic faith”. This is the first major appointment made by Francis for the USA. I think we are going to see that Francis differs from Benedict only in style and tone not in substance.

  24. ratbastard says

    @Simon,

    I can assure you headmaster was and is the title. Now this is in the Boston area, New England, which traditionally is probably the most Anglophile place in America. New England is the prep school capital of America, and they are modeled after English public schools. Even the names of most of the towns and counties are named after English towns and counties. Boston for example is Suffolk County. The western suburbs are mostly Middlesex County, the southern suburbs are Norfolk and Plymouth, the northern suburbs Essex. If you drove around Greater Boston you would struck by the English names. I don’t know if the term headmaster is commonly used in other parts of the U.S.,but it is here.

  25. anon says

    I’m sure his comments sounded better when he was preparing his notes for the interview. When Catholic teaching changes the rhetoric “goes dark”, which means that all references are dropped, never to be discussed again. For example, the Catholic teachings regarding Jews (blatantly antisemitic) were dropped after WWII and just never mentioned again. Catholic teachings about astronomy (the earth is the center of universe, the sun and the stars go around the earth, etc.) went dark in the nineteenth century even though the Church only officially changed its mind in the 1950’s and only pardoned Galileo in the 1980’s. They still haven’t pardoned the priests that were burned at the stake for espousing Copernican teachings in Galileo’s time.

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