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  1. James says

    For the 100th time for all the white gays who “just don’t understand how some members of a community that suffered due to oppression and bigotry would want to impose that ideal on other.Str8 black people see being gay as a upper middle class to rich white people thing because that’s the image that is seen on tv so they don’t see any oppression.

  2. Charlie says

    The reason marriage equality was adopted by vote in Maryland is the religious vote was not written off. There are plenty of Christians who support marriage equality, including in the black churches. The ga rights community learned to reach out to them rather than ignoring them (like on Prop 8).

  3. WilliamT says

    Are you black, NotSafeForWork? If not, how about you stop telling us how to think or feel? How about you stop making assumptions? How about you stop holding us to a different standard than the rest of the nation; which in case you haven’t figured it out is a racist thing to do. Blacks make up a little more than 13 percent of the U.S. That includes those of us that are under 18 and can’t vote. It includes those of us that are apathetic. It includes those of us that are – shock! – gay. It includes those of us that have gay friends and relatives whom we support. It includes blacks that are atheists, agnostic, or just don’t give a flying flip about what the CHURCH has to say about anything. And yes, it includes homophobes. This is called a red herring. There aren’t enough of us to systematically oppress anyone in this country. But rather than deal with the real issue, you prefer to engage in a centuries old practice of demonizing black people. Congrats!

  4. NotSafeForWork says

    @William T

    How about you stop telling me how to feel? You clicked on a story about homophobia and bigotry in the black community and if you can’t deal with comments about homophobic and bigoted black people, then feel free to step off. Or perhaps since you have such a strong reaction to this, you should contact the producers of the documentary or add your comments to their video on YouTube.

    My original comment stands and I don’t give one flip what you think about it.

    “I just don’t understand how some members of a community that suffered due to oppression and bigotry would want to impose that ideal on others.”

    My second original comment also stands.

    “That’s hardly an excuse. People who have experienced such vile and determined oppression, which continues to this day, should know better.”

    As well as my third.

    “Joe, it’s not about you. The comment was directed to the posted story. If you a have different opinion, so be it and live your truth.”

    Am I black? Are you? If you can’t see the problem with a black person oppressing another person, or if you do and make excuses for it, then you are part of the problem, not the solution.

  5. James says

    @NOTSAFEFORWORK
    Make not mistake I’m not making accuses for homophobia.I’m black & gay I’m giving you the reason some black people feel the way that they do on these issues.I think movies like this are great because it brings black gays to the front so our brothers &sisters can’t tells us that we dong count or matter.

  6. James says

    @NOTSAFEFORWORK
    Make not mistake I’m not making accuses for homophobia.I’m black & gay I’m giving you the reason some black people feel the way that they do on these issues.I think movies like this are great because it brings black gays to the front so our brothers &sisters can’t tells us that we dong count or matter.

  7. woody says

    I agree with Merv: the problem is mostly fundamentalist christian preachers fueling anti-gay animus. White fundamentalist cristians vote against us just as much as black fundamentalist christains do. Not seeing much of a difference there.
    But I think there’s a side problem with straight men who feel like they have to say anti-gay sh*t to make sure they’re not seen as gay in any way. There have been a lot of these comments coming from black men lately, especially after Jason Collins and Michael Sam went public.
    I’m hoping Sam will change this whole equation for the better. He’s a pretty tough dude! I think Sam’s skill and visibility will do a lot to make this crap unacceptable.

  8. Shay says

    @JACOB “I agree there’s more Racist White Gay Males than homophobic black people that is why gay black men don’t feel apart of the gay community.”

    Great way to blame whitey. When you have to take a look in the mirror and have no good excuse, just blame whitey. That always works.

  9. Brian in Texas says

    What the hell is the “African American community” anyways? In the 60s-70s when most blacks lived segregated from whites that might term might have fit.

    A black middle class person has more in common with a white middle class person than another black person living in poverty.

    People who are religious or lack exposure to gay people in their everyday lives, are going to be less receptive to the idea of equality. Or as they would put it, “special rights for gays”.

  10. mmmhmmm says

    It’ easy to blame Christians, but it’s not that simple.

    Unapologetic homophobia is also part of thug/rap/don’t snitch inner city black male culture. Rap is by far the most homophobic and misogynistic music genre out there. Going to school and wanting to get an education is considered “gay” and “white acting.” It’s sad, but nothing will really ever change until the black community takes an honest effort to do so. Until then, the culture of being a victim and blaming everyone else for your problems will continue.

    Meanwhile in “racist” America, Asians and other non-white groups continue to work hard and THRIVE in this country. They don’t blame people; they work their tails off and personify the American dream.

  11. WilliamT says

    @ NotSafeForWork: We aren’t here to live up to your expectations. But since you claim to care so damn much and are just so disappointed in blacks (who apparently who you something), what are you doing to liberate us from our backwards views? Perhaps you can start with Arenda Wright Allen. She’s black and graduated from an historically black university. Oh wait. She’s the judge that just struck down Virginia’s ban on same-sex marriage. And get this! She thanks God and had a close relationship with her Presbyterian pastor. Say what? A black Christian who supports gays? Nope. Not possible. NotSafeForWork knows all there is to know about black people and this does not compute.
    (http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/meet-judge-arenda-wright-allen-who-struck-down-virginias-ban-on-same-sex-marriage/2014/02/14/544d5bfa-9597-11e3-9616-d367fa6ea99b_story.html?hpid=z4)

  12. NotSafeForWork says

    @WilliamT

    Change your log in name to Uncle Tom and you will be all set. All you’ve been doing is complaining about comments about homophobia and bigotry in the black community on a post about homophobia and bigotry in the black community. You must be a genius.

  13. WilliamT says

    @NotSafeForWork: Yes I am black and gay and out and supported by my black family and friends. I grew up in the south (AL, GA, FL) and was the first black student to attend my elementary and middle schools (in the 1980s!). I’ve experienced far more racism in my life from whites than I have homophobia from blacks. Yet, I don’t go don’t around tossing asinine statements about “who should or shouldn’t know better” because of yada, yada, yada. Placing a higher expectation on one group than another is ridiculous. Newsflash: we grow up in the same nation that you and others grow up in; we take our cues from many of the same media outlets. Homophobia, Christianity, standards of masculinity didn’t originate with us. They may be tweaked but we didn’t start this and we certainly didn’t establish this skewed system of social hierarchy. Bottom line: There isn’t a single black person in this country that needs to behave, think, or believe anything just to please you.

  14. NotSafeForWork says

    @WILLIAMT

    The pearl clutching room is to the left. My original post comment that got your tampon sideways said “some”. Some as in some of the people in the video. Good job making excuses for them and overlooking their bigotry and oppression. Clearly, you are on the same team.

  15. James says

    @MMMHMMM
    I’m glad that you think every black person is a ‘thug’ &every other non white minority is find but that’s not real life.Black people have lots of problems because of lack of education.

  16. James says

    @NOTSAFEFORWORK
    I think you and I can agree that the homophobia in the black community is not a good this I just don’t think its especially different from homophobia from others.I think want is need is more black gay people to come out as proud gay men and women

  17. woody says

    Well, I remember Jay-Z throwing around the f word in rap songs and now he’s totally on our side and stands up for us.
    Others aren’t sincere. I never thought Tracy Morgan’s apology of his anti-gay rant was genuine.

  18. SpaceCadet says

    I think Michael Sam coming out is a wonderful thing not just for gay people but straight people as well and in particular straight Americans of African descent (I think the concept of “African-American” is dumb since we are all Americans and there is no “European-American”) because it shows quite publicly that here is this accomplished, athletic, masculine football-playing gay man that is obviously not white. It helps to break down preconceived stereotypes and attitudes.

  19. NotSafeForWork says

    @James

    I agree, but this is a post about a documentary that explores bigotry and homophobia by some people in the black community. Comments pertaining to such a post shouldn’t be surprising. This is the place for them.

    Although the attitude that those comments aren’t allowed to be expressed because I may or may not be black, or simply because the comment is about black people, is ludicrous.

  20. Harry says

    The black community should worry more about straight marriage themselves, considering 80% of black kids are born out of wedlock, primarily to single moms. Even the president’s father took off after he knocked up his mom.

    But yeah, that’s no big deal. Let’s go after the gays…

  21. says

    I’m black, I’m gay and I post under my real name.

    I’m turning 67 on Tuesday and in all the years I’ve trod the earth I have never experienced any problems with gay white males but I’ve faced a ton and a half of trouble from fellow African-Americans, especially members of my own family.

    Now go right back to your race-baiting.

  22. says

    The face of the gay community just like the face of america is a white cisgender man. Until that mindset changes you aren’t going to see minorities being very apathetic to the plight. This is why representation matters. The sad fact is though that most of the big gay rights organization know that their is an image problem but also know that they’re more likely to make progress with the majority as long as people think they are helping cisgender white males. Why do you think so much pressure has been put on Russia and their anti-gay laws when there has been rampant institutional homophobia in african countries? It’s because the majority doesn’t care about the darkies but will give a sympathetic ear to their fellow pale faces.

  23. says

    The face of the gay community just like the face of america is a white cisgender man. Until that mindset changes you aren’t going to see minorities being very apathetic to the plight. This is why representation matters. The sad fact is though that most of the big gay rights organization know that their is an image problem but also know that they’re more likely to make progress with the majority as long as people think they are helping cisgender white males. Why do you think so much pressure has been put on Russia and their anti-gay laws when there has been rampant institutional homophobia in african countries? It’s because the majority doesn’t care about the darkies but will give a sympathetic ear to their fellow pale faces.

  24. enchantra says

    Jennifer Alston and Emmet Burns weren’t opposing gay equality out of any notion of morality. It was extortion the entire time. They had their terms: They wanted the police and prosecutors to stop prosecuting blacks for the crimes they commit and which Alston termed “nuisance crimes (like shop lifting, vandalism, burglary, and strong arm robbery)” and of course more money for pet projects (rat holes).

  25. enchantra says

    WILLIAMT – Translation, you are mouthy and obnoxious and somehow imagine that it gives you power. Well pay attention to how decent people react to women like you in Walmart.

  26. enchantra says

    It’s because the majority doesn’t care about the darkies but will give a sympathetic ear to their fellow pale faces.

    POSTED BY: DERRICK

    I disagree. I think that the reason that Russia is getting more attention is because Russia is supposedly a modern country with an educated population whereas the Nigerians in question are poor, ignorant, and influenced by Islam. I think Russia is taking more heat because we can’t be accused of racism in calling for their punishment.

  27. JMC says

    “The new black” is a grossly offensive term that ignores the continued racism faced by black Americans as well as intersectionality. People need to stop using it.

    Anyways, I’ll never understand why people expect oppressed groups to magically be immune to socialization that leads to bigotry Take a Sociology 101 course or something and quit with the same old stupid/naive/idealistic/racist commentary that is counter productive to eradicating homophobia.

  28. enchantra says

    JMC – The “continued racism faced by black Americans”? Could you be more specific? I ask, because a lot of what some people call racism is actually animosity generated by black people. If you go around with a “FVck the world, it owes me a living” mentality. If you eschew every known courtesy. If you act like getting behind the wheel of a car is your opportunity for revenge, if you are loud, obnoxious, violent, or criminal then it’s going to reflect poorly on your community. The flaw to the reasoning of many black people is that “it is just because of my skin color.” Wrong, it’s because people with your skin color define themselves apart, are defined as a community, and are disproportionately criminal, loud, rude, and destructive.

  29. guest says

    I’m a black dude and I am constantly and thoroughly disgusted at the actions of some like-minded black folks.

    After suffering major discrimination and for a multiple of reasons, biblical and religious beliefs, inequality, as we were once considered 3/5 of a person, hatefulness, as a majority in the south were still pissed on a multi-generational level because they lost their slaves and they’ve been bitter about it every since.

    If it weren’t for the many ethnic groups that supported the civil rights movement in the 60’s, things might have turned out much different. It seems as though the lesson’s of previous generations have gotten lost and they are firmly comfortable, being being planted in the center of the universe, displaying a kind of discrimination of their own.

    They remind me of teapublican party, wanting to limit rights and privileges for others, as they show themselves incapable of returning the support that they were once given.

    Thankfully not all in these communities feel this way, there are many who actually support the lgbt community and are fighting along side us.

  30. Grivera says

    RELIGION makes creates this thinking. And it is a disease. One that will never go away. I don’t see it any different – this is a human issue and ANY person of color who feels this way needs to be sent right back to the days where WHITE ONLY was posted.

    And by the way, RELIGION was taught to new blacks in America – they did not bring it over from Africa. So the white man taught you another lie. Those missionaries spread that disease to all of the land to gain power and that is that.

  31. Putt says

    Blacks are still in slavery all over the world, dancing to the beat of the music given to them by their colonial slave and imperial masters. Black people are so stupid that they have yet to to realise that the religion they use to kill and abuse their Black gay children was given to them by their masters…and no one has the common sense to ponder on how things were before colonization? Take a look at Africa, they would swear to God that Christianity or Islam is indigenous to Africa…Thankfully Native Americans are re-accepting their gay or Two-spirit children; Blacks still killing theirs!

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