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  1. Francis says

    Boteach has always been consistent on this view of homosexuality which has drawn him ire with fellow Orthodox Rabbi’s. His view is definitely not the norm with them and he’s seen almost as a heretic with them. He’s not necessarily pro-gay, he just thinks religious folk spend too much time focusing on homosexuality. He has moderate views on abortion, contraception and the death penalty too.

    Good on him in calling out hate for what it is.

  2. Simon says

    Hate is religion especially the one of the Christian favor. The Catholic Church used to hate Judaism. On the other hand, some Rabbi don’t like Christians either. An eleventh century Rabbi had a lot of contempt for the “new” religion. He described Jesus as a bastard son conceived by a menstruating and wanton mother.

  3. says

    Into the lions den! Right after plastic Christofascist harpee delivers her praise for the inclusive Robertson clan that just wants to take as many people to heaven as possible don’tcha know Rabbi Boteach dives in with a dose of reality and a smackdown. So unexpected on Fox.
    Thank you Rabbbi Boteach!

    One of my favorite sermons on religion/homosexuality/humanity.
    Rabbi Harold M. Schulweis

    http://www.vbs.org/page.cfm?p=814

    Well worth the read.

  4. jim says

    Just love the rude harpies rushing in to cut Rabbi Boteach off…guess that’s what happens when ya go off-script on Fox, can’t have bad str8ies and religion in the same paragraph.

  5. Bill says

    @Francis : The homophobic rabbis need Rabbi Shmuley Boteach so they’ll have a synagogue they don’t go to.

    (Some one who is Jewish told me a joke about a Jewish guy who was stranded on an island, where he lived several years before being rescued. They found out that he had built two synagogues. When asked why he built two, he pointed to one and said it was the one he didn’t go to.)

  6. Bob K says

    Glad to see Shumley doing something like this — he often gets lost in self promotion.
    I hope he gets gigs on all the talk shows, to express this point of view.

  7. RexT says

    Amazing, the speed of the attack to Shut Him Down, instantly all of them turned and let their voices rip to silence his words. Well said Rabbi, and more often should these same words be spoken.

  8. Shlomo says

    Judaism – even the Orthodox variety that this Rabbi represents – does not condone inflammatory utterances of any kind. While no Orthodox shul would allow a same sex marriage to take place on their premises or under their auspices; that does not justify hate speech.

    Meanwhile, it’s also noteworthy that all major Jewish denominations other than Orthodox ordain LGBT rabbis and cantors and perform same gender marriages where it is legal to do so.

  9. Anirban (aka Abner) Bhattacharya says

    Most gay bashings I have found are men reacting to crimes which the homosexual first did such as after a homosexual committed indecent exposure, assault & battery or other crime. I would rather have a case where a jury decides if a man’s reaction to bashing or killing a homosexual is justified or excess vs. the man doesn’t do enough and the gay does something worse to him or the next man and you do not always know what the homosexual did to others before you.

    when I read about a gay (transexuals are mutilated gays/lesbians and they should make it a crime to do sex changes) bashing case in the news, I wonder what the view is of the journalist reporting this on homosexuality/lesbianism. I also wonder if the journalist is a homosexual or lesbian and if so, are they setting aside their bias and reporting the news with no problems. I do not trust news that I get from Daily Kos or the Huffington Post on their coverage of gay bashing cases because they predictably make the homosexual look like an innocent victim no matter what wrong the gay does.

    With gay bashing cases, I have found that gays often harass & or commit assault/battery on teenage boys to men in early 20s & the men react by bashing the gay. Most men and boys who are victims of gays usu. won’t call cops to report that a gay is committing indecent exposure, harassment or in worst cases molestation until some1 reacts violently and bashes the gay. A gay bashing case I know of from Arizona. What happened was that an 18 year old boy had been in a park with friends. A gay who was much bigger than him grabbed the boy’s butt & made a sex comment. The boy then told his 2 friends. After this, the 2 men grabbed the gay, brought him to the boy who then hit the gay several times in the face.

    That ‘gay bashing’ victim committed a crime-assault&battery & boy reacted by bashing him. If that teenage boy had tried to walk away, that gay who was much bigger than him would likely have attacked him because the gay had a secret violent history (unreported to cops) of beating up teenage boys after harassing them for sex & these cases unpredictable.

    With that gay, it’s highly likely the gay was trying to do something more violent, so that gay deserves no sympathy for getting hit in the face. This gay again had beaten up other teenage boys after committing assault & battery, was likely trying to do it to this teenage boy, but because teenage boy had 2 friends (1 a martial arts expert) who were with him, they were able to defend this boy. If the homosexual is high on drugs such as cocaine as that gay possibly was then it’s likely the gay would’ve done more violent crime in a cocaine rage if indeed the gay was high. Self-defense is a jury topic after hearing both prosecutor & defense lawyer & jury decides if gay basher used reasonable or excessive force. If it’s reasonable, then you acquit and if it’s excessive, then what degree. if it turns out that homosexual committed indecent exposure, harassment or assault & battery on a young man (men) before the men reacted violently, then I have no sympathy for the homosexual being bashed. If a defense lawyer in a gay bashing case wants to raise a crime the gay did such as harassment, indecent exposure, etc. before man reacted violently, then that must be regarded in deciding verdict. Jury decides if it’s justified or excess force. A jury can acquit or if they convict, they can convict a person on lesser charge.Again, if defense lawyer wants to bring up criminal conduct the homosexual did-harassment, indecent exposure, assault and battery, etc. before man reacted violently, then homosexual’s antisocial conduct must be regarded by jury in deciding verdict. If it is true the homosexual was doing antisocial conduct before he was bashed, then yes, a jury must decide if it was justified or excess force to end the abuse.

    A rebuttal people make with my argument is that gay bashers will sometimes say things to justify their deeds such as saying the homosexual committed indecent exposure, harassment, stalking and so on and that it’s the gay basher’s side of story which may or may not be true. Yes, this part is true. But just as gay basher’s have an interest to justify their deeds, gay bashing victims have an interest to make themselves look like innocent victims. With gay bashing victim, is he lying to get sympathy ? It’s possible. He maybe telling the truth but he maybe lying to get sympathy. We don’t always know the other side of story and that is usually different from what homosexual says happened. Again if it’s true homosexual committed indecent exposure, harassment, stalking, etc. before men reacted violently, then the fact the homosexual committed a crime before he was bashed must be decided by jury in deciding if gay basher(s) used reasonable or excess force.

    I would rather have too much done than not enough in that I would rather have a case where a jury decides if a man’s reaction to bashing or killing a homosexual is justified or excess vs. the man doesn’t do enough and the gay does something worse. Most gay bashings I have found are men reacting to crimes which the homosexual first did such as after a homosexual committed indecent exposure, assault & battery or other crime.

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