Comments

  1. Kevin says

    I would never have predicted that bakeries would be ground zero for this debate. And yet, here we are again.

  2. Mags says

    Oh FFS it’s only cake! Get over it, you’re as much of an artist as Michele Bachmann is a politician. Your cake has been consumed by gays, Muslims, Atheists, and all other kinds of people who do not abide by your “Faith”, whether you know it or not.

    Also, please tell me why your beard is so short and do you open YOUR BUSINESS on a Sunday. You know, your “Faith’s” Sky-daddy Day!

  3. disgusted american says

    what about Public accomadation laws don’t these people comprehend? Trying to USE thier religion as a mask to discriminate!

  4. Martin says

    According to this bakery gay love = alcoholism, drug abuse and violence.
    That was the overriding message from the news report.
    Have a good day all.

  5. disgusted american says

    so they compare a cpl getting married – to alcohol, drugs and violence? Ohh I seeeeeeee

  6. Chadd says

    They should have a big sign on their door that says we don’t bake gay cakes so that we, and our friends, can avoid them without humiliation. Wanna be a bigot? Fine, but wear your bigotry proudly.

  7. Malcolm says

    They seem sincere and not motivated by animus. Moreover, they get to determine what violates their faith, not outsiders who do not share their faith. How can a Non-Christian tell Christians what would be sinful or against God? I don’t know if Indianaplis includes sexual orientation in its public accommodations laws, but Indiana does not. They should not be forced to bake a cake that contravenes their sincere religious convictions. Let them be.

  8. Chadd says

    Also have to wonder if they would bake a cake for a straight couple where it’s a second marriage for one of them. If they would, then their religious objection holds no water. If you discriminate based on the bible, you won’t have many customers.

  9. stephen says

    i don’t understand what the deal is. if a private company refuses service to an individual(s), that is their right. Why do they need to be compelled to serve people they don’t care to? It’s not a government support entity and therefore can run by it’s own rules.

    The happy couple needs to find a new bakery and move on.

  10. Mags says

    ” How can a Non-Christian tell Christians what would be sinful or against God?”

    The Bible you ignorant parroting twit. It has all the answers and interpretations for said faith.

    Either you follow all of it. Or you don’t. Simple as that.

    Also, either you accept doing business in a country where SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE are in the Constitution, meaning you cannot apply *YOUR* interpretation of a faith or another to federal and state laws, or you move to a more accommodating country, ie. a Theocracy.

  11. Lucca says

    If you do not make cakes based upon your beliefs for some but are ok with others, that IS discrimination.

  12. kdknyc says

    Malcolm, are you kidding? What about public accommodation laws don’t you understand? They are open to the public for business. They probably have to undergo health department inspections, and use the public streets and sidewalks to get customers to their door. That’s part of the bargain–their religious beliefs stop when they open a business to the general public.

    As for religious beliefs, this looks like a play to get publicity for their sad little business.

  13. Gregory In Seattle says

    “We don’t discriminate.”

    Because wrapping your bigotry in Holy Scripture makes it something else, apparently.

  14. Keith says

    i’m turn, they should have to abide by public accomodation laws, but why would you want someone who hates everything about you to bake you a cake? there’s gotta be a better bakery in Indy?

  15. calansf says

    “…we also want to show kindness and respect to other people.” Right, they will just show it to people other than gays.

    I don’t know if they should be forced to make a cake for a gay wedding, but do they also not make them for 2nd marriages of divorced people? Or birthday cakes for adulterers, fornicators, etc.? (I’m not equating these with a gay wedding, their religion does.)

    Hopefully, straight allies will support a boycott of this business and they’ll end up like other bakeries that have folded due to discriminatory policies. And they can deny it all they want, it is discrimination…sanctioned by their “church”.

    Anyone else notice how the man did all the talking, and the woman sat meekly at his side being the good subservient Christian wife?

    It would be so awesome if a gay couple tricked them into making wedding cake by going in with a female friend pretending to be the fiance, then taking all kinds of “gay” pics with the cake at the real wedding. Imagine the horror of the “artists”! (who would probably sue).

  16. Zeke says

    There are so many ignorant people in this country and beyond. No amount of discussion with regard to public accommodation laws can penetrate their thick skulls. Sad.

  17. HAHA-NO says

    I think we should test what he says and see if he’ll make cakes based on other things his FAITH does not condone.

  18. MikeBoston says

    While I believe this is discrimination plain and simple, it appears the State of Indiana may not. Both the state non-discrimination law and the city/county ordinance omit sexual orientation and gender identity from the list of protected classes.

    We may not win this one in court but that shouldn’t stop us from posting the facts about their discrimination on Yelp and Facebook.

  19. says

    Chapter 581 of the Revised Code of the Consolidated City of Indianapolis/Marion County, Indiana, as enforced by the Office of Equal Opportunity, prohibits discrimination in employment, housing, education, and public accommodation on the basis of a person’s race, religion, color, sex, sexual orientation, gender identity, national origin, ancestry, age, disability, or United States military service veteran status, or retaliation.

    Bigots lose again.

  20. woody says

    the owner is couching his refusal in “art.” read: freedom of expression.
    that’s a very weak fall-back position. it’s a public accommodations issue.

  21. Ed says

    How Christlike.

    ‘For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’

    They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’

    He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’

    – Matthew 25:41-45

  22. StudioTodd says

    This guy is:

    A. Using this issue as a publicity opportunity for his (before now) unknown nondescript business.

    B. A closet case.

    C. All of the above.

    The correct answer is, of course, C.

  23. Mags says

    What happened to being polite in one’s bigotry? Since when politely refusing service and giving a more Politically Correct reason, such as “we are unfortunately short-staffed and cannot accommodate your order right now”, has become out of style?

    I’ll tell you since when:
    Bigots and all kinds of xenophobic and homophobic bible thumping ignats were allowed to become politicians and tout their hate and anti-American views in public office.

  24. tonyjazz says

    Yes, this discrimination should trigger some new laws.

    Laws against treating people as second class citizens….

    I pray this bakery is shut down.

  25. Michaelandfred says

    When you get a business license backed by We The People, you agree to abide by all the rules set forth. There is no constitutional right or guarantee to all to run a business. You get to run one at the sufferance of We The People. That means health codes, seating maximums, fire hazards, ADA compliance, alcohol rules, discrimination laws and pages and pages of other things that must be met for you to open, and keep open, your doors. I have a small business. This is not new or a surprise to any business person.

    You don’t operate without a license. That license guarantee’s you understand EVERY law you must follow. It’s not a free for all to do as you please just because you own it.

    The second problem with this idea of “why would you want to give someone business who doesn’t want you there?” How do you know that until you’ve gone inside like every other person, only be humiliated by learning “we don’t serve your kind here.” Have you ever been randomly not allowed into a club because you’re not ‘hot enough” or “young enough”, in front of a line of people? Embarrassing right? Ever been told we won’t rent to you, serve you, sell you something…or bake you a cake? For no other reason that you are you.

    If they want to have bigoted business practices, make them put it in their window and all advertising, so innocent people don’t have to walk in and be shamed and humiliated doing nothing more than trying to use the service you offer. Of course they don’t want to do that, because that would lose them business. They prefer doing it stealthily, where only the injured party knows.

  26. Malcolm says

    Mags, you do there are no federal laws entitling a customer to have a cake baked for a same-sex marriage. Most states do not have such laws either. Under Indiana law, the bakers can refuse to bake the cake.

  27. Chadd says

    Malcolm & Stephen. Please move to the back of the bus. Those seats are not for you. Also, please use the side entrance when arriving and make note of your designated water fountain.

  28. Malcolm says

    Mags, because lying is a sin. Christians should speak the truth, in love, as mandated by Ephesians 4:15.

  29. anon says

    I, for one, might be tempted to buy a “Burn in Hell, Sinner!” cake. It could look very cool and there are some nice flavor possibilities like cherry and chocolate.

    Keep in mind that they could well within their rights to sell only “Christian Themed” cakes, but since they haven’t set that policy the case will probably go to court.

  30. ToThePoint says

    I have an idea. Let businesses discriminate, but they must prominately display a sign in LARGE, BOLD CAPS: WE DO NOT SERVE ALL OF GOD’S CHILDREN! That way everyone patronizing the business knows just WHO they are serving.

  31. Zeke says

    Hey Kian what if every bakery in Indiana said no to this couple?

    See how that works, also PUBLIC ACCOMMODATION LAWS.

    Why didn’t that newscast even discuss the illegality behind the bakery’s obvious discrimination??????????????????????????QuestionMarksForDays????????????????????????????

  32. Clint says

    ” ‘ How can a Non-Christian tell Christians what would be sinful or against God?’

    The Bible you ignorant parroting twit. It has all the answers and interpretations for said faith.

    Either you follow all of it. Or you don’t. Simple as that.”

    The Bible most certainly does NOT have all the “answers and interpretations”, not for Judaism, and not for most kinds of Christians either. A few varieties of Christianity of a much more recent vintage, such as Church of Christ (NOT United Church of Christ!!!) would agree with the above statement, but the vast majority of Christians do not approach the Bible in this way, and never have. Christians are called to follow Jesus Christ, and the Bible can help do that, but even Jesus was correcting, expanding, or reworking very important parts of it, “Moses said X, but I’m telling you Y”, or “The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath”, which looks like a Big 10 breaking statement, especially to a 1st Century Jew! Christians are called to do likewise, carefully and thoughtfully, and always for the good of the human person. It’s more challenging than just following the rules.

  33. Mags says

    @Malcolm, Your reading is as dense as these “Christians'” understanding of their religion: The CUSTOMERS were not asking for a same-sex WEDDING cake, but a cake for a COMMITMENT ceremony.

    Also, where certain states try to separate or acknowledge laws pertaining to discrimination in parallel to Federal Law, as @KEVINVT reports upthread, Indianapolis included in their Revised Code anti-discrimination on sexual orientation.

    In regard to Federal Law, I would encourage these “artists” to use it in their attempt to whitewash their discrimination. See if they can challenge all sorts of Consumer Right, nothing to say of Human Rights when trying to exploit their “Religious Rights”.

  34. TheSeer says

    This more than discrimination. This is systematic destruction of gay families, which is one of the biggest and longest lasting crimes against humanity in the history.

  35. look it up says

    Discrimination, in public accomodation, based on sexual orientation, is prohibited in the city of Indianapolis. By ordinance. Gosh, I wonder what that means?

  36. Mags says

    @CLINT,

    You have by your statement, very much and quite clearly proven why are Founding Fathers included the Separation of Church and State, in the First Amendment of the Constitution:

    One’s faith is an evolution, or devolution in some cases, and could be used to accommodate a convenience of prejudiced reasoning.

    When you opt to do business, you opt to offer service to all American public. Even those who sell Bibles, to my knowledge, are not allowed to discriminate and NOT SELL their Bibles to non-Christians. The well-being of our economy is very much apart from the well-being of your convenient and prejudiced “moral values”.

  37. Mags says

    “Mags, because lying is a sin. Christians should speak the truth, in love, as mandated by Ephesians 4:15.

    POSTED BY: MALCOLM | MAR 14, 2014 12:21:36 PM”

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHHHHHHHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!

    Wait… You’re serious?

    You are applying this citing in your reasoning to why these silly prejudiced “artists” are refusing out loud to bake a frigging cake for a commitment ceremony?

    Isn’t that convenient to *suddenly* start telling the truth.

    I have a few things I’d like the Christians to START telling the truth about, before starting to truthfully telling why they refuse service to same-sex customers: Which CENTURY should we start with? Or would you rather we stay within the confines of contemporary history of politics, aye John Boehner, Michele Bachmann, Sarah Palin, Ted Cruz, and the rest of the bat-sh!t crazy Christian party who is supposed to suddenly by BIBLE MANDATE to start telling the truth.

  38. Sean says

    So if a Jewish couple or a Muslim couple comes in and wants a wedding cake, they’ll also refuse them?

    Why do I think they’d find some moral justification to serve those un-Christian couples while still discriminating against the gay couple? But no, no, they’re clearly not motivated by anti-gay animus…

  39. RK says

    Boycott! Make them feel it in the pocket book. That is the best way to get at these bigots.

  40. Kieran says

    Why on earth would anyone want to pay people that hate you? We should be glad that these businesses are honest about how they feel about us. Would we rather they piss in the cake batter? You don’t want my money? Fine. I’ll pay your competitor.

  41. says

    On every thread like this the same incorrect points are made by gay people who should know better.

    –This is a private business/company.
    No, it is not. It is a public accommodation. (Contrary to the news report.)
    –Why would you want someone who hates you to bake you a cake?
    Not the point. Unless a business owner advertises their hate on their door, you call/walk in not knowing their personal bigotries. No one should have to go down a street looking for the non-hate shop. They should all be non-hate shops. Violators of non-discrimination laws should be outed regardless of where you buy your cake. Otherwise there is no point in having the laws.
    –But their beliefs are sincere. We must respect them.
    Sincerity vs. insincerity is irrelevant. People are sincerely racist, too. Why you discriminate makes no difference.
    –It would be like forcing a Jewish deli to sell ham.
    No, it wouldn’t. You’re not required to sell a particular product, but you can’t sell a product to everyone but one group of people you don’t like.

    Indianapolis public accommodation law includes sexual orientation, so unless state law trumps city law, the bakery is breaking the law by targeting gay people for discrimination. They could have suggested that the couple try a bakery that would be a better fit, but, like other stupid business owners, they chose instead to ignore the local laws they agreed to operated under.

  42. Leroy Laflamme says

    And while they’re doing ‘a lot of soul searching’ they’d be well advised to do lot of internet research. This does not end well for them. All they have to do is speak to the last Christian cake-artist who refused to bake a wedding cake for a same-sex couple. If nothing else, this going to cost them a whole bunch of money in legal fees.

  43. *****overTX says

    I think that couples should identify these bakeries which do not want to make cakes for gay couples. By the same token, I think that they should identify bakeries which are gay couple friendly so people can determine where they want to spend their money. In states where there are anti-discrimination laws, do as your conscience demands.

  44. Bryan L says

    What would happen if I created a religion that was at odds with all other religions? What if I had a business and discriminated specifically against Christians and Jews and Muslims and Buddhists, etc., because that’s what my faith demanded?

  45. says

    What I don’t understand is…if they are such a “non hateful” business, why can’t they just make the item? Why lose potential business over someone’s sexuality. “Deeply held religious beliefs”. We all know what that is code for. Get real, dude. #FAIL

  46. I.Smith says

    The bible says that being rich is a sin and you would have no way into heaven, so why if these people have sincere religious beliefs are they charging for their service.

    They should be allowed to refuse gays on condition that they charge nothing for any product they make.

  47. Dan Cobb says

    Stephan: You obviously never went to law school and have no idea what you’re talking about. The Reporter in this piece stated that “private businesses can choose who they want to serve”. That is COMPLETELY WRONG and a COMPLETE ERROR as to what the law is. The Supreme Court decades ago held that PUBLIC ACCOMMODATIONS (places that open themselves up to the public) may NOT discriminate against a person because of their race, and a list of other immutable characteristics.

  48. Argo says

    This is insane. Go to their FB page “111 Cakery” and make some comments. It’s blowing up!

  49. JJ says

    “We want to be right with our God, but we also want to show kindness and respect to other people.”

    It’s very telling that he sets these two desires in conflict.

  50. Brett says

    This is stupid. We shouldn’t even be having this debate. Lets use a market solution for the problem; eventually they will go out of business. We do not need to keep fueling the debate and giving anti-gay bigots more reason to hate us.

  51. Bryan says

    Public accommodations law 101: The constitution (and Civil Rights Act, and later federal acts) do not cover discrimination based on sexual orientation. If a state (or city) wants to step in and extend the law to include it, fine. Indiana has not. At least legally, the baker is doing nothing wrong.

    But this statement of his is bizarre: “We want to show the love of Christ…but we also want to show kindness and respect to other people.” Um, the whole message of Christ is to show kindness and respect to others, so clearly this guy is more Christianist than Christian. Maybe someday he’ll learn what his religion should really be teaching.

  52. says

    101 @Bryan: Indiana does not, but Indianapolis does cover sexual orientation in its public accommodations laws (as several people have already noted), so you can’t say that the baker has legally done nothing wrong.

  53. BrokebackBob says

    The solution to this problem (and we will see more of it as equal rights nears) is to always report discrimination to the media as much as possible. Put the business in the spotlight. Next, everyone, without regard sexual orientation must boycott that business until their policy changes. That is the dog eat dog world of business. If they change their policy within 30 days, we stop the boycott; rinse, repeat. Business owners who are service providers like bakeries, etc will feel the pain of no or severly reduced sales. That is what competition is all about. They can sit on their butts in the store while everyone who dislikes their policy goes to a competitor.

  54. jjose712 says

    Artist? I’m going to make a three chocolate cake for San jose celebration next week.
    I didn’t knew i was an artist

  55. bobbyjoe says

    ANOTHER bakery?

    Jeez, maybe Ted Allen needs to start a new show on Food Network called “Bake Me a cake” where each week he has a homophobic baker compete with a non-homophobic baker to make Ted and his husband a cake. Winner gets $10,000. Since the homophobic bakers will refuse to do it, the non-homophobic bakers win every single time.

  56. kevin says

    They will be out of business by thew end of summer. If you are in Indy and you need a cake you should go to Crawfords Bakery much better that this place

    florida

  57. Randy says

    The bakery is clearly wrong.

    “Go somewhere else because it’s a gay occasion”
    and
    “Go somewhere else because my religion is bigoted”
    both need to become well-known as illegal answers.

  58. JJ says

    @Brett: “Lets use a market solution for the problem; eventually they will go out of business.”

    You can’t buy equal access to a market. Boycotting a business means voluntarily reducing your choice, which in market terms means a corresponding increase in price–simple supply vs. demand. Those who don’t boycott have more choice and a correspondingly lower price. So simply spending elsewhere already puts you on unequal footing with other consumers. Likewise, a business puts you on an unequal footing when they reduce your choice by refusing service.

  59. jarago says

    They are not artist they are bakers! And besides what kind bakery based their business on their faith- I mean do they bless the cookies- sprinkle holy water on the muffins- promise salvation if you partake of the eucharist (oops I mean bread) Seriously they are bakers making a cake- nobody is asking them to bless anything!

  60. says

    If a person states that they want to sell a cake to a customer, and then refuses to sell a cake to the customer to whom they want to sell a cake, is this an opportunity for mental health care?

    Would OCD cause a person to say they want to do something, then refuse to do the thing that they do want to do, then immediately afterwards say again that they do want to sell a cake to the customer to whom they just refused to sell a cake?

    I hope nobody threatened to torture these poor people for eternity if they sell a cake when all they want to do is sell a cake. Only a monster would do that. I submit that selling a cake should not be grounds for eternal torture.

    I think these are nice people, and I believe they really do want to sell a cake. I hope they can figure out how to use their cash register or fix whatever other issue is interfering with their ability to sell the cake they want to sell.

  61. Bernie says

    What a load of crap! That cake you are refusing to make could care less if someone is gay or not! I continue to repeat and will continue to repeat, if you are in a business or have a service that serves the public, that means everyone……if you think your religious beliefs might interfere with serving customers or giving service to someone, then you should NOT be in business..you might think about sitting home and selling products to your church members if you don’t think you can sell or service others, who might be different

  62. Bill says

    @Dan Cobb : If I’m not mistaken, it was not the Supreme Court, but various state legislatures: the California legislature passed the Unruh Civil Rights Act in 1959 and Oregon passed one in 1953. The federal civil rights act provided similar protections in 1964. Some states caught up later or never bothered.

    It did not originate with the U.S. Supreme Court.

  63. Rich says

    Public accommodation laws are being stretched to the point that they conflict with the 5th and 14th amendments. I’d say that baking a generic cake is a public accommodation, but inscribing it is a contract for personal services which ought to escape the realm of public accommodation.

    Put the shoe on the other foot: if a Westboro Baptist Church member came into your bakery and ordered a cake inscribed “God hates fags”, should the government penalize you for refusing to do the inscription?

  64. Mags says

    @RICH, are you comparing their discrimination with requesting a discriminatory and derogatory type of service?!

    It’s still discrimination, however you put it, and *especially* the way you put it!

  65. JJ says

    @Rich, a cake inscription would only be a personal service if the baker also authored the inscription, or if, failing that, the work were so unique that it could not reasonably be replicated by anyone else, or it would lose its value by doing so. If you commissioned Banksy to decorate your wedding cake, then you’d be talking about a personal service.

    Refusing a God Hates Fags cake would be perfectly legal if you don’t inscribe epithets for any customer. The problem comes when you refuse a service to some customers that you offer to others according to parts of their anatomy that are irrelevant to that service.

  66. Matt says

    Okay by me, as long as everyone’s okay with my refusing service to xtians when they come and ask me to change their oil. As an agnostic grease-monkey artist, I just can’t work up the inspiration to create that unique oil-change experience. I mean, fair’s fair, right? And this way, I won’t be able to accuse xtians of looking for special rights for the religious only.

  67. says

    @Rich, I don’t think your example quite holds. A baker can reasonably say he would not make a “God Hates X” (or similarly hateful) cake for anyone. Likewise, if a gay couple requested a cake in the shape of a giant erect penis, a baker could turn down that request if he doesn’t make giant genitalia cakes for any couple. But if he makes “Congratulations, Jim and June!” cakes for the weddings/anniversaries/whatever of straight couples he can’t not make a similar cake for Jim and John. That’s clearly discrimination.

    JJ puts it well.

  68. Topol says

    They can discriminate when they turn their bakery into a church. Otherwise, they’re a business and businesses must abide by antidiscrimination laws.

  69. enchantra says

    Why do you think that you should be able to choose who you want to do business with, but they have to do business with anyone who walks through their door? Where is the fairness?

    Did you save or borrow the money to start that business? No. Did you put your capital at risk? No. And that routine about “You do business on a public street.” is horsepoodey. Your house is on a public street, can anyone choose to have dinner at your house?

    We have an opportunity to be the minority which takes the sophisticated approach. Or , we can be considered as pushy and obnoxious as black people.

  70. BrokebackBob says

    JJ, I have to disagree about boycotts. Boycotts done right, eliminate the businesses that consumers DON’T won’t to do business with because something about that business makes them go elsewhere. I =never= set foot in a Walmart and in effect I am boycotting them because their shopping environment is degrading to consumers low price or not. These things should matter to consumers but Walmart has figured out most of us have no discretion based on the environment in which we shop, we shop only for price. In reality, Walmart sells a lot of crap and they know its crap and its cheap and the stores are ghastly. So anyone or everyone who “gets it” simply decides to not shop at businesses like and including Walmart. If literally everyone who could and would boycott Walmart they would feel it deeply in the cash register.

  71. JJ says

    @BROKEBACKBOB, sorry, I didn’t mean to imply that I oppose boycotts, only that they aren’t free. To those who say the fair and square way to handle discrimination is to allow businesses to discriminate as they please and let the market sort it out: it’s unfair to expect minorities to assume the expense of a boycott in order to gain equal access to the market.

  72. JJ says

    @ENCHANTRA, somehow I think you’re going to be hated no matter what the rest of us do, so you don’t need to worry about it.

  73. JJ says

    @MATT, unfortunately tit-for-tat doesn’t work when you’re the minority. You’d be turning away 75 percent of your business as compared to maybe 5 percent for the bigot. AND you still wouldn’t get any cake.

  74. Get Real! says

    Why the HELL would you want someone to make a cake for you when CLEARLY they don’t want to??? GO TO ANOTHER BAKERY!!!!

  75. lg says

    It would be so much fun at the pearly gates for people like this to turn RIGHT and be stopped and told, nope go LEFT and take the DOWN steps! Would be a real hoot!

  76. Toby says

    I hate that anyone is discriminated against. BUT, I would rather know how someone feels and not take them my business than to make it illegal for them to discriminate. Just think of what these idiots could do to a cake if they are force to make one for my wedding.

  77. Michael says

    Ultimately, the answers should be: It’s just a f**king cake. Make it. If you are in a business that serves the public, you don’t get the option as to which public you serve. You apply for a mortgage, meet all the requirements, you get the mortgage. You order a cake, you got the “dough” (pun intended), you get the cake. Cut the crap. You are bigoted and a disgrace to anyone who has faith of any kind and sees justice, fairness and equality under the law as a positive sign of society.

  78. willis says

    I agree with two responses on the divorce and remarriage issue. Kentucky is going through a situation where our governor wants the state to recognize out of state same sex marriages and eventual allow them. the religious community is in an uproar over this yet divorce is rampant here. the bible is very clear on divorce and remarriage but this has been ignored allowing Christians to divorce and remarry as often as they want.

  79. tom says

    You know, there are bakery’s around that would love to bake a cake for a gay couple. Why not just go and give your money to a store that appreciates your business and maybe be actively seeking it. Support businesses that support you and not be upset because some one does not want your money. Why would you even want to give money to these people or even want to eat a cake they make?

  80. Burt says

    They struggle with requests that are counter to their faith? They do soul searching? Seems to me they need to do a bit more. They’re missing the part about ‘love thy neighbor as thyself’, and ‘do unto others…’
    After all, they’re not the ones who are getting married. Were they true Christians they would take joy in creating a cake for their neighbors’ celebration, thus helping to spread the true gospel.
    Too much to wish for, unfortunately. I say boycott ’em.

  81. corman says

    if the bakery was smart… and artistic as he says he is…… I would think they could have made a non gender specific cake that celebrates Love between a couple and this way keep everyone happy! I don’t see the problem…. it’s about Love, not sex- I am sure they did not ask for an erotic cake to be made. it really is none of their bussiness what happens behind closed doors, rather focus on two people finding each other and wanting to share a life together in a loving relationship. why would that go against any “God”. everyone says… God is love, isn’t that what we are talking about.
    I don’t think the baker was being mean spirited, I just wish he would have thought about it a bit more and did some more soul searching. a true loving God, would never turn anyone away, IMO. not to mention that the actual teachings of Jesus, by his own words never mentions the subject of same sex love. I think most religious people of today would not even know the real Jesus if he walked into a room… they would turn him away too. he was a rebel of his times, standing against the teachings of his day and making alot of authority figures very angry. because he basically said…. it’s all bullsh-t. but most people really dont want to know the truth, nor find it our for themselves. anyway….. back to cakes…… I am sure one can create a beautiful cake without going against one’s beliefs if they really wanted to keep their bussiness growing and thriving in this day and age.

  82. Craig says

    Boycott their business and Shut them down. It’s also our right to never support homophobic businesses.

  83. Enchantra says

    JJ – I’ll take that as you admission that I am telling the truth and that you don’t have a logical or constitutional argument to counter it.

  84. Reality says

    This is idiocy … I hope this bakery goes bankrupt. Somehow these idiots believe that by baking a cake they are going against GOD and will be refused in Heaven? That’s not love.

  85. John says

    So, do they also not sell to couples who are pregnant before the wedding? Or ask if they are virgins? Or divorced? Oh wait…the Bible only talks about those “sins” a few dozen times, the same-sex thing is only mentioned once or twice, so it’s a bigger deal. (sarcasm) Kind of like how crapping on the poor is cool with Jesus too. Hmm, seems like there are a few stories in the Bible, Old Testament and New, about what these so-called Christians are doing.
    If I had to label myself, I’m agnostic, bordering on atheist. Yet I have a lot more respect for those of faith who actually follow their faith as written, and not pick and choose what’s okay. Of course, there are also a few hundred contradictions in the Bible, so I cant really blame them for being confused.