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Former Page Jim Kolbe Knew of Mark Foley's Emails in 2000

Kolbe_pageroad.jpg Openly gay Arizona Rep. Jim Kolbe knew about Mark Foley's online indiscretions in 2000 and confronted him directly, Kolbe's press secretary Korenna Cline announced yesterday. Up till now, it was thought that Republican leaders only knew of the emails last fall: "A source with direct knowledge of Kolbe's involvement said the messages shared with Kolbe were sexually explicit, and he read the contents to The Washington Post under the condition that they not be reprinted. But Cline denied the source's characterization, saying only that the messages had made the former page feel uncomfortable. Nevertheless, she said, 'corrective action' was taken. Cline said she has not yet determined whether that action went beyond Kolbe's confrontation with Foley." Kolbe, who came out in 1996 after his vote in favor of DOMA, served as a congressional page himself (pictured at left) for Senator Barry Goldwater in the late 50's.

OTHER DEVELOPMENTS:

road.jpg A former congressional page told the LA Times that he and Mark Foley had a sexual encounter when the page was 21, after he had left the page program. Foley's actions during the page program, however, were consistent with stories from other pages. The page contacted by the LA Times described how he and the other pages gossiped about Foley's "over-friendly behavior" and had a name for him:

"They nicknamed him 'Triple F,' for 'Florida Fag Foley.' One evening, four of the boys made an unannounced visit to Foley's home. 'We knocked on his door and he let us in. Nothing happened, but he was very friendly,' the former page said. Foley's flirtations made the young man feel important at a time when he was struggling with his emerging sexuality. 'It seemed cool that he was taking an interest,' he said. 'I knew he was gay, and he was attracted to me.'"

"Foley's IMs to the page reveal that Foley sexually assessed the pages in the program at the time: "In the messages, Maf54 described how years earlier, he had looked to see whether the former page had an erection in his tight white pants while the then-teenager was working near the congressman. Maf54 also speculated about the sexual attributes of other males in the same page class, including the observation that one young man was 'well hung.'"

road.jpg Focus on the Family's James Dobson believes (or really wants to believe) that Matt Drudge's now widely-discredited report that the page IMs were a prank are true: "As it turns out, Mr. Foley has had illicit sex with no one that we know of, and the whole thing turned out to be what some people are now saying was a -- sort of a joke by the boy and some of the other pages."

Mfoleyroad.jpg NYT: Foley Case upsets Balance of Gay Republicans. "Since Representative Foley, Republican of Florida, resigned after it was revealed he had sent sexually explicit electronic messages to male pages, gay Republicans in Washington have been under what one describes as 'siege and suspicion.' Some conservative groups blamed the “gay lifestyle” and the gathering force of the “gay agenda” for the scandal. Others equated homosexuality with pedophilia, a link that has long outraged gay men and lesbians. Conservative blogs and Web sites pointed out that gay staff members played principal roles in investigating the Foley case, suggesting that the party was betrayed by gay men trying to hide misconduct by one of their own. In the meantime, a group of gay activists, angered by what they see as hypocrisy by gay Republicans, have begun circulating a document known as The List, a roster of gay Congressional staff members and their Republican bosses."

road.jpg Members of Congress playing spin the bottle as a remedy for trouble: "Drunken foibles in Washington used to be overlooked, with embarrassing floor speeches edited out of the official record, says Gary Jacobson, professor of political science at the University of California. Yet in a confessional age, where alcoholism is seen as a disease, not a defect of character, blaming drink 'has become the standard operating procedure'.

The Background on FoleyGate
Pat Buchanan on that "Flamer" Foley [tr]
Barney Frank: "Gay GOP Like Secret Jews" [tr]
Hastert Asked "To Intervene" on Foley Three Years Ago [tr]
Mark Foley's Indiscretions Began in '95, as did Cover-Up [tr]
Foley is Gay, Says Attorney; Was Molested by Clergyman as Teenager [tr]
The Talk: Foley, Jon Stewart, Hastert, Bay Buchanan [tr]
Mark Foley Scandal Updates [tr]
Investigations Begin into Cover-up Surrounding Mark Foley: Republican Leaders Knew of Misdeeds for Five Years, Did Nothing [tr]
Political Page Turner: Rep. Mark Foley Resigns Seat Over Inappropriate Emails [tr]
Male Page and Rep Mark Foley in Troubling Email Exchange [tr]

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  1. Do you know anything about the list of gay republicans being sent to conservative groups? The list was compiled by democratic activists. Sounds like a witch hunt.

    Posted by: hephastion | Oct 9, 2006 9:03:40 AM


  2. How do you KNOW it was compiled by democratic activists? If you are going to state that is sounds like a witch-hunt you should first state how you know it to be so.

    Otherwise you are just spreading gossip.

    Posted by: dc-20008 | Oct 9, 2006 9:40:02 AM


  3. So James Dobson thinks this is all a joke. That's typical. I can guarantee this self-styled man of God that no parent finds a 50+ man sending a 16 year old IMs asking him to measure his penis and describe how he masturbates to be funny at all. Dobson has become thoroughly debased from worshiping at the alter of power and greed. FOF has gotten millions of tax dollars from the Republicans in the Congress and White House and he knows that when they are out of power, that spigot will be turned off. Naturally, he'll do or say anything to keep the money flowing. He's just another slick preacher who knows there's money in religion.

    Posted by: sam | Oct 9, 2006 9:43:55 AM


  4. It's beginning to look like the dreaded gay mafia, except for real. Progressives will benefit from homophobia on this, but it's all good—lefties won't turn anti-gay over the misdeeds and cover-ups of a bunch of closeted gay Repubs going all the way up to the dude 2 shots away from the presidency, and righties are already homophobic or gettin' there. It's a one-sided scandal. At WORST they MIGHT at some point say, "Hey, turns out a Dem was the first person to get this info into the press's hands!" but (1) that looks unlikely, since ABC says a Repub gave it to them (Fordham?); and (2) so the F what? Still all happened. Not a made up scandal. As a very smart commenter at HuffPo called it, it's KARMAGEDDON.

    Posted by: Matthew Rettenmund | Oct 9, 2006 9:57:58 AM


  5. The 7th former underage male page came foreword. Turns out the guys is now a soldier in Iraq. He confirms that Foley sexualy harassed him when he was underage.

    I would like to see Dobson and others try to paint this USA SOLDIER now serving in Iraq as a prankster. That will really go over well with the average american citizen.

    Posted by: jimmyboyo | Oct 9, 2006 10:03:52 AM


  6. I am more concerned about Hastert's role in the cover-up as well as what other Repubs in the hierarchy knew and when they knew it.

    Foley is already cooked. Hastert's time on the spit now??

    Posted by: dc-20008 | Oct 9, 2006 11:21:05 AM


  7. On Geo Stephanopoulos' Sunday morning program, one of the guests (missed his name) mentioned two interesting items. First, that Fordham, who resigned from his position as Reynolds' chief-of-staff (and formerly Foley's cos), is gay. Additonally, he mentioned that there was the potential for alot of other shoes to drop (I think he said 'a whole rack of shoes'). He then mentioned that there are quite a few people on Republican staffs that are closeted gays.

    Anyone familiar with Republican politics probably shouldn't be too surprized, but the comments certainly popped me out of my caffeine haze.

    Posted by: kansastock | Oct 9, 2006 11:23:21 AM


  8. "How do you KNOW it was compiled by democratic activists?"

    Uh, DC-20008, we know this because the NYT article Andy just quoted above says so explicitly: "...In the meantime, a group of gay activists, angered by what they see as hypocrisy by gay Republicans, have begun circulating a document known as The List, a roster of gay Congressional staff members and their Republican bosses."

    So, just use your mouse wheel and scroll up about 10 inches, and you'll Hephaeston (and Andy) is citing the NYT and not "spreading rumors."

    It's pretty sad that the gay left is going off on this witch hunt at this critical time, IMO...I don't see this as being productive.

    Posted by: Pompeius | Oct 9, 2006 11:24:15 AM


  9. The LA Times article...wow. There are so many bombshells in this article I don't know where to begin...

    The biggest one IMO: The LAT times page's descrition of Foley's modus operendi. It would appear he is NOT exactly a pedophile [insert semantic quibbling here] but someone who scopes 16 year olds out for gay tendencies, IMs them for two years or more years...then once they turn 18+ has sex with them.

    Wow. This could be very damaging you know...it plays right into the hands of the mythology that gay men seek out teenagers to "groom" them, and "convert them to the gay lifestyle."

    Posted by: Pompeius | Oct 9, 2006 11:43:10 AM


  10. Well, at least the 21 year old ex-page improves Foley's image by suggesting he can have a somewhat normal sex life with men. Considering the number of ex-pages (21 or up), or other 21 year olds in town, he never had to hit on 16 year olds. The mystery deepens, though maybe this 21 year old looked like he was 16 (really young looking for his age). Kolbe never manged to take the high road, did he...?

    Posted by: Anon | Oct 9, 2006 11:46:19 AM


  11. Yeah pomp

    I thought the same thing

    Though it has ocme out that Foley in a drunken stupor did try to storm into the page dorms one night. The guards kept turning him away. That points out that the leadership had to know something because those guards would have filed a report. It also shows that maybe Foley wasn't just waiting till the kids turned 18.....when drunk he was trying to get at them in the dorms while they were still underage.

    Posted by: jimmyboyo | Oct 9, 2006 11:47:38 AM


  12. "confirms"?... "storm" ?... Has everyone put in their Change of Address forms? Or did you not notice that we seem to have all been relocated to Upside Down World where the head of Focus of the Family is defending a gay man and other gay men are stacking up circumstantial evidence, hearsay, and hyperbole like kindling to burn the faggot at the stake?

    Posted by: Leland | Oct 9, 2006 1:42:15 PM


  13. So the NYT says it so it is so?

    Who are the activists? Where is this List? Who has seen it? If it is fact, why the mystery? It's always "they" and "them" w/o a lot of back-up.

    Posted by: dc-20008 | Oct 9, 2006 2:15:16 PM


  14. leland it is upside down world.

    One repub politician even went so far as saying that the dem candidate was "gay baiting/ gay bashing" for saying the repub leadership perpetuated a cover up.

    But hey...repubs are known to be hypocrites. Point in fact repubs are all "we support the troops" yet candidate Kean for senate in NJ just got busted (his macaca moment) on video turning his back on and walking away from a mother of a soldier in Iraq.

    It all only makes sense when looked at as they worship power. They want power, they lust after power. They worship power. Hypocricy in getting that power and holding onto it is just us normal folks being partisan and divisive

    Posted by: jimmyboyo | Oct 9, 2006 2:18:42 PM


  15. Who cares if it's a witch hunt? Closeted gay republican politicans are fair game to be hunted down, outed and destroyed. Maybe in their next life they will have more sympathy for those of us in the real world.

    Posted by: Stevo | Oct 9, 2006 3:43:59 PM


  16. Well, DC-20008, if you are looking for even more proof beyond the NYT article, I give you people out there like...STEVO.

    Posted by: Pompeius | Oct 9, 2006 4:14:45 PM


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