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The Talk: Foley, Jon Stewart, Hastert, Bay Buchanan

road.jpg Resign, Mr. Speaker: Washington Times calls for Hastert's Resignation: "Either he was grossly negligent for not taking the red flags fully into account and ordering a swift investigation, for not even remembering the order of events leading up to last week's revelations -- or he deliberately looked the other way in hopes that a brewing scandal would simply blow away. He gave phony answers Friday to the old and ever-relevant questions of what did he know and when did he know it? Mr. Hastert has forfeited the confidence of the public and his party, and he cannot preside over the necessary coming investigation, an investigation that must examine his own inept performance."

Two videos via AmericaBlog....

Conservative Bay Buchanan Rips Hastert, and Hastert gives confused, defensive interview to CNN.

Buchanan: "That email had predator stamped all over it."

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  1. This from the party of "family values"...never ceases top amaze me of the hypocrisy from the right.

    David Goulart
    EDGEnewengland.com

    Posted by: David Goulart | Oct 3, 2006 9:37:32 AM


  2. BEFORE he became a US Congressman, Foley served long term in the Florida Legislature with ANOTHER Young unmarried REPUBLICAN Legislator and THEY were known for being long term "Room Mates" with the rumor being that they were MUCH MORE than "Room Mates"

    This other Legislator's name???

    CHARLIE CHRIST

    Posted by: kuros | Oct 3, 2006 9:38:29 AM


  3. Sick, vile, repugnant, repulsive, republican, lying scum.....

    This is exactly why the rest of the WORLD looks at the U.S. with disgust and disdain.

    A leadership that LIES and takes no responsibility for its Mistakes and will do ANYTHNG to maintain power. EVEN sacrifice the safety of CHILDREN

    The U.S. is MURDERING civilians all over the world in the name of freedom and "truth" and "morality" and are as despicable, dishonorable and untrustworthy as is humanly possible.

    Ths reeks of the same stench as the catholic church scandal. can you blame the muslim world for not allowing "christianity" and the white man to dictate its place in the world and align itself as morally superior?

    Posted by: forreal | Oct 3, 2006 9:52:16 AM


  4. I know that those (like myself) who are Democrats -- or at least can't stand the current Republican leadership -- are to some extent enjoying the sight of the GOP in such a meltdown. But the ugly side of this scandal is the anti-gay backlash that is already starting to develop. There's already starting to be a fair amount of commentary (from, e.g., the Wall Street Journal) along the lines of "this is what you get when you accept homosexuality, etc." and I'm afraid of where this is going to lead. I for one would really like to see the temperature of this scandal cool down a bit.

    Posted by: Glenn | Oct 3, 2006 10:02:37 AM


  5. Nice. Buchanan's response - "beat the living daylights out of him". Begala's response - "if he emailed my son he would be talking to my 12 gauge". Can one reasonably be expected to take their comments seriously?

    Posted by: bob | Oct 3, 2006 10:15:09 AM


  6. Well said FORREAL

    Glenn I think you are wrong. The 23% die hard religous right wackos would bash us even if jesus came back and said he was gay. The majority of people do realize the difference between a predator and gay man. Just as they know straight men prefer women and not girls, they also know the majority of gay men prefer men not boys. Though a few nambla members have been posting on this board of late. HRC should be out front denouncing predators and stressing facts on predators like the FBI profile of child predators is white, straight, and a family member.....but regretably HRC has proven itself yet again to be worthless. What can you expect from a group that is giving an award to reichen

    Posted by: jimmyboyo | Oct 3, 2006 10:17:27 AM


  7. I agree with Glenn. It's just a matter of time that the whole thing gets spinned (and the Republicans and their Reich Wingnut friends are EXPERTS on that) and it becomes yet another 'gays-can't-be-trusted-with-youngsters issue. *sigh*

    Posted by: xavier | Oct 3, 2006 10:21:56 AM


  8. Jimmyboyo, if it were only the religious right wackos, I would agree with you. Their piling on is predictable. But the Wall Street Journal is not a paper for wackos -- its editorial page is THE voice of the conservative establishment in this country. And they're also saying that, basically, this whole scandal is the result of tolerance for and protection of gays and lesbians. See, e.g., here:

    http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/010143.php

    I just think we gays need to watch our backs a bit here.

    Posted by: Glenn | Oct 3, 2006 10:26:25 AM


  9. "For GOP leaders to pay a heavy political price requires either more evidence that they really knew what Foley was doing or for Democrats to form an alliance, at some level, with people who find homosexuality outrageous no matter what the age."

    http://www.slate.com/id/2150807/

    When Andy starts gleefully linking to Bay Buchanan on YouTube you've seriously got to wonder.

    The house leadership bent over backwards to protect a gay member when they held a significant majority and therefore had no compelling political reason to do so. In other words, they were practicing tolerance and Foley took advantage of that. I agree with Glenn, we need to tread lightly here.

    Posted by: Mitch | Oct 3, 2006 10:44:06 AM


  10. Glenn then kind of proves what I said about HRC

    HRC said something like feeling sorry for the guy going through personal troubles or some such crap like that. HRC should have been out in force on day one denouncing predation of minors, denouncing government cover ups, and proclaiming that no one should utilize this tragedy to politicize gay hate. Stating the facts that the FBI profile for predators of minors is white, straight male, family member

    instead HRC seems more ocncerned with constantly bugging us for donations so they can pay for the party where they are going to give reichen an award.

    Posted by: jimmyboyo | Oct 3, 2006 10:47:47 AM


  11. Hell Mitch, when the Moonie Times starts criticizing anybody for anything (besides being not a Republican and not ackowledging Sum Yung Moon as the Messiah), you've seriously got to wonder.

    Posted by: Michael | Oct 3, 2006 10:48:06 AM


  12. Mitch it was NOT tolerance

    It was not wanting to loose power. foley's district is one of the wealthiest in the nation. He won with 63%+, was a HUGE fund raiser, and they did not want to have to spend the millions ncessary to get someone else elected in a safe/ locked up district.

    It was NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! tolerance

    The repub ccover up was due to having power and wanting to keep power.

    You eaither are Ken mehlman's boy toy or a nambla member trying to excuse a crime and a cover up.

    Posted by: jimmyboyo | Oct 3, 2006 10:52:32 AM


  13. "Known homosexual..."

    "We need to clean house..."

    Are they both suggesting that Congress go on a gay witchhunt to rid itself of "predators"?

    Posted by: Anon | Oct 3, 2006 10:57:32 AM


  14. I must say that I agree with much of what many of you have posted here, but I do find it troubling that many people in the press, as well as politicians seem to be using "homosexual" and "paedophile" interchangeably.

    Posted by: republic | Oct 3, 2006 11:16:22 AM


  15. No Anon

    What they are doing is called spin

    They are trying to spin it as a gay thing in the hopes of saving their base. It isn't working though. Despite the talking heads, the majority of religous right people calling into their shows are saying that they know gay men want to be with men and not boys just like straight men like to be with women and not girls. The base suprisingly realizes that this is a predator thing and not a gay thing despite what the talking heads and you ken mehlman boy toys are saying

    Posted by: jimmyboyo | Oct 3, 2006 11:18:02 AM


  16. Yes Republic, it IS troubling, and what a group of us here have been predicting would happen since the scandal broke. What you are seeing is events prooving us right.

    The question now becomes: What should we do about the gay = pedo campaign that is (predictably) starting to tar and feather us?

    One thing we should NOT do is try and sugar coat Foley's perversion, and play semantics with it, and say, "Oh, Foley was only an ephebophile, like all gay men are." WRONG! Both factually and strategically.

    What we SHOULD do is have the NGLTF and HRC come out SWINGING against Foley, the NAMBLA pervs, and their fellow travellers...DENOUNCE them, state CLEARLY that gay does NOT = pedo, and that the vast majority of gays are REPULSED by even the idea of underage sex. Correct, both factually and strategically.

    Posted by: Pompeius | Oct 3, 2006 11:40:11 AM


  17. Pomp

    I am honored again to totaly agree with you 100%. We can disagree with each other when this scandal is over. Till then. ^5 and preach on brother

    The only way people can get away with spin is when other people do not stand up to it.

    HRC is too interested in getting their hair and nails done for their award date with reichen

    Posted by: jimmyboyo | Oct 3, 2006 12:07:32 PM


  18. Where are the self-hating Log Cabin Republicans in all of this? The only honorable thing for them to do now that Focus on the "Family" is calling for gays to be banned from society is to reveal all of their contacts with the hard-right and stop them from waving the red flag for the killing of gay people.

    No one has mentioned this...Foley had a 19 YEAR RELATIONSHIP, and ended it when? When David Dreier was stabbed in the back by the hard-right in the GOP when he tried to succeed money launderer and Republican homophobe Tom Delay. Foley tried to make his own sexuality go away when he saw what Dreier got from Blunt and Boehner, and make do with IM-ing powerless House pages.

    Mark my words: in the end, NO physical contact, only IMs and e-mails. Because he was trying to kill off his own sexuality when he saw that he was only wanted for the 2.7 MILLION he brought into the party and would be thrown under the bus like Dreier was if he tried to exist with a normal partner relationship.

    That's what you get for being a self-hating gay Republican homophobe. Big picture complete. That is all.

    Posted by: bambambam | Oct 3, 2006 12:08:29 PM


  19. A Republican defeat would probally serve the GLBT community well especially the few closeted Republican congressional members. It would probally call for the demand for new leadership and maybe a more inclusive message.


    I do find problems for the Democrats and the media for holding off on this until 1 month before election day. They are just as irresponsible as the Republican leadership.

    Foley is just guilty for abuse of power just like Clinton and Lewinsky. Foley is just a hypocryte for calling Clinton wrong, but he was just as bad.

    Posted by: Matt | Oct 3, 2006 12:27:42 PM


  20. ((sigh)) earth to matt:

    Monica, an adult, pursued Clinton. Foley, an adult Republican self-hater, pursued underage pages.

    The e-mails were given to REPUBLICAN house leaders a YEAR AGO or more. They were successfully covering them up when ABC found them in July, and it's HASTERT, REYNOLDS AND BOEHNER who spent the last eight weeks trying to cover up and even NEGOTIATE WITH ABC to keep the text of the IMs secret, even offering an exclusive interview with Foley LAST FRIDAY.

    Any other right-wing lies to spread, Matt, so that you can enable more conservatives to smear all gay people?

    Posted by: bambambam | Oct 3, 2006 12:39:48 PM


  21. Bambambam

    keep bamming away at the republican lap dogs

    :-)

    Anyway; are you sure it was July that Abc got the the stuff? I heard it was August and due to katrina anniversary and 9/11 anniversary their news room wasn't quiet up to snuff to handle the foleygate thing yet.

    Posted by: jimmyboyo | Oct 3, 2006 12:56:44 PM


  22. This from the party of "family values"...never ceases to amaze me of the hypocrisy from the reich.

    Posted by: vince | Oct 3, 2006 1:45:04 PM


  23. July or August, whatever...does anyone find the ABC excuse that they were too busy covering "anniversaries" a bit...disingenous?

    I mean, c'mon...I'm sure the upcoming congressional elections make a LARGE demand on their news staff...yet somehow, they JUST managed to find the time to break the Foley scandal, COINCIDENTALLY to COINCIDE with it.

    Um...LOL! :)

    Which BTW brings up an interesting point...if a liberal-leaning media outlet intentionally sits on a story in order to spring an "October Surprise," are they not as guilty as Hastert and certain Republicans in not revealing what they knew, immediately when they first knew it?

    Lets spice things up with a hypothetical. Lets say Foley molested a boy since July. Given what we know, a not improbable occurance IMO. Is ABC not morally (perhaps even criminally!) liable in this hypothetical, for not breaking the story and alerting authorities right away?

    What works against Hastert can work against ABC, the Miami Herald, and other media outlets that sat on this story for political purposes, IMO. They are just as bad as Hastert, and this needs to be investigated too I think.

    Posted by: Pompeius | Oct 3, 2006 1:57:19 PM


  24. Who is "ken mehlman"?? I'm not anyone's boy toy.

    How can Begala and Buchanan have the same spin? The one is attacking the Republicans from the left and the other from the right. It wasn't people calling in who were equating gay with molestor, it was the two talking heads here, Begala and Buchanan. Foley's gone and there will no doubt be an investigation. The question is what and who are they going to investigate? The last page scandal nearly led to cancelling the program.

    Posted by: Anon | Oct 3, 2006 2:14:27 PM


  25. This from AP just this minute:

    Florida newspapers — who were leaked copies of the e-mail with the Louisiana boy last year — defended their decision not to run stories. Both The St. Petersburg Times and The Miami Herald were given copies of the e-mail, as were other news organizations, including Fox News.

    (snip)

    So FuckedNoise channel has been sitting on this FOR A YEAR...and has been enabling every potential child molester out there...

    Hmmm...how suspicious does that make you feel when FOX is the one that held this for a year?

    Posted by: bambambam | Oct 3, 2006 2:36:12 PM


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