Dick Cheney: Questions about Lesbian Daughter “Out of Line”

Wolf Blitzer talked to VP Dick Cheney in an interview that aired on The Situation Room today, and at the end of the interview asked about Dick’s lesbian daughter Mary. Dick wasn’t too happy about that:

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Q We’re out of time, but a couple of issues I want to raise with you. Your daughter Mary, she’s pregnant. All of us are happy. She’s going to have a baby. You’re going to have another grandchild. Some of the — some critics, though, are suggesting, for example, a statement from someone representing Focus on the Family:

“Mary Cheney’s pregnancy raises the question of what’s best for children. Just because it’s possible to conceive a child outside of the relationship of a married mother and father, doesn’t mean it’s best for the child.”

Do you want to respond to that?

THE VICE PRESIDENT: No, I don’t.

Q She’s obviously a good daughter —

THE VICE PRESIDENT: I’m delighted — I’m delighted I’m about to have a sixth grandchild, Wolf, and obviously think the world of both of my daughters and all of my grandchildren. And I think, frankly, you’re out of line with that question.

Q I think all of us appreciate —

THE VICE PRESIDENT: I think you’re out of — I think you’re out of line with that question.

Q — your daughter. We like your daughters. Believe me, I’m very, very sympathetic to Liz and to Mary. I like them both. That was just a question that’s come up and it’s a responsible, fair question.

THE VICE PRESIDENT: I just fundamentally disagree with your perspective.

The full transcript of Cheney’s interview, in which he also dismissed as “hogwash” notions that mistakes made in the Iraq war may have hurt his and the administration’s credibility, can be found at the TPM Muckraker.

Comments

  1. patrick nyc says

    There is a special place in hell for this prick. Asking him about a topic that he made an election year issue is out of line, but sending kids to a war and their death is OK.

  2. n says

    That was perfectly said, PATRICK NYC. How repugnant that people (in this case politicans) don’t see their evil blind spots (hypocrisy). To top it all off, these people call themselves christians. I’m speechless and floored.

  3. James says

    Well of course the question is out of line because Cheney has no defense. He loves his daughter and works for a party who gladly plays the gay card. What can he really say?

    peace

  4. Steve says

    Patrick. Neither President Bush or VP Cheney made an election issue out of Cheney’s daughter being a lesbian. The press and Kerry did that. Cheney’s offspring are not running for political office and their personal lives are not an issue to anyone but their family’s. That excludes you, Patrick; Wolf Blitzer and the press. If manners and professional integrity should ever become an issue of politics or a campagin, the Democrats and their co-horts who make news in the drive-by media are up the creek without the proverbial paddle. If you disagree with Bush’s policy(s) fine. Try sometime to discuss the issues instead of lodging scurulous jabs at their families. The Bush’s and Cheney’s have more class under the soles of their shoes than some of the posters in this blog obviously have. Additionally, the soldiers serving in our military are men and women, not kids as you attempt to portray them. Most are very well educated and have chosen to serve their country and protect you and me in very personal ways that have never crossed your mind.

  5. erik says

    Cheney’s personal life is absolutely my business when his administration has actively tried to muscle in on MY personal life for the past 6 years. When they lay off with the moralistic crusade against gays, I’ll let Mary Cheney procreate in peace.

  6. Micheal says

    Whatever……Being against gay marriage and pro civil unions does not muscle into anyone’s personal life. The world is not centered around your aura, Eric. I know many gays who have no interest in a marriage certificate, only the rights we are legally entitled to. A marriage license is not a “right” stated in the American Constitution or other legal document held by the Supreme Court of the United States.

  7. Todd M. says

    Steve is from the Christian Right and is part of a paranoid campaign that has been going on for years! They (through sunday church meetin’s) are told to write and harrass the networks and now are even targeting gay blogs. All to make it appear that the bar is much further to the right than it really is. Along with having their own personal network, a truly genious idea. Let’s expose the “idea” as much as we can, shall we?

  8. Rey says

    The user Steve, like Dick Cheney, can say whatever he wants to. God Bless America. But like Cheney, he has absolutely no defense for the misinformation he tries to set forth as “fact”.

    Both should be ashamed, but quite unfortunately for them, they would rather make those around them feel shame instead.

    It’s like watching a magician performing a bad trick that everybody knows the secret to. It’s embarrassing.

  9. Stephen says

    Blitzer was not “out of line” asking the question (He can ask any question he darn well pleases).
    Cheney’s reply, “No, I don’t.” (want to respond to the Focus On The Family statement) was tantamount to, it’s none of your business (or anyone else’s).
    Blitzer pressed on. Cheney stood his ground.
    If he doesn’t want to discuss his personal/family life, he is not obligated to do so.
    Each of us can judge him accordingly.
    It doesn’t bother me that he keeps the matter private.

  10. LightingLad says

    Seems like there might be a little “gay shame” on Dick Cheney’s part. Would he be this reluctant to talk about his daughter’s pregnancy if she were married to a man?

    That said, I don’t think Dick Cheney is a hypocrite on this: he himself has not actively campaigned for a Constitutional amendment banning gay marriage, and I believe that he even said in the 2004 VP debate that he felt the issue was not something the US Congress should be involved with and saying something about people should be allowed to make their own personal choices. And I don’t think he’s ever said anything one way or the other about gay couples having and raising children.

    Can someone can find a quote with Dick Cheney explicitly saying that gay marriage is wrong and should be banned, or that same-sex couples should not be allowed to raise children together?

  11. Marco says

    Cheney defenders, please. Dick Cheney chose not to respond to Focus on the Family’s statement because he didn’t dare inflame the Christian right members of the base. He chose a block of GOP voters over defending his daughter, just as was done at the GOP convention when Mary was left off the platform while the other members of the family were welcome. Give me a fucking break with “it’s his private family matter” bullshit.

  12. says

    Crazy.

    The anti-gay politics of the fundy bigots (upon which Dick rode to power)–that’s what’s out of line. Asking questions about those politics is perfectly “in line”, and necessary.

    Republicans have made the personal lives of all gay people an issue for public discussion. Mary doesn’t get an exemption.

  13. ProfessorVP says

    Of COURSE, the volunteer armed forces that get their asses shot off in the unnecessary but profitable (for Cheney) Iraq Adventure are KIDS. Look at them. I know kids when I see them. They are very young, often very poor with limited career opportunities, and certainly not sufficiently worldly enough to know that the neocons snookered America into this mess on the grounds of some phony-ass and never-ending war on terror. Kids. And if Cheney feels no pangs of remorse about that, let Kerry, Wolf Blitzer, and effin’ everybody remind him that his daughter is a dyke with the looks and manners of a Teamster. The Republicans certainly never respected MY privacy. So to paraphrase the Draftdodger-in-Chief, bring it on!

  14. resurrect says

    Cheney may certainly decline to answer the question – now or for the rest of his life. That’s his perogative. And he can try to shame Blitzer of asking a question that’s “out of line” as a way of shutting him up. That’s a rhetorical strategy that this administration has used to bully all types of constituencies to shut up.

    Unfortunately for Cheney, at this point in his career and political life, he’s not going to be able to throw his weight around and shift the onus back on itself. He actively made gay rights – and gay marriage a fundamental issue in the campaign. His own daughter has unwittingly played it against him. She took a public role in campaigning for him, as well as writing and publicizing a book (!) about herself and her relationship. So – she’s a public persona, with a politically active and powerful parent. It’s categorically NOT out of line. he just doesn’t have an answer for it that can make him look good.

  15. ande says

    I bet that man had to sell out his out daughter so that they (R) could win. I’m sure he loves all his kids and grandkids. What father or grandfather wouldn’t. (don’t answer that)

    But his “Party” apparently loves us so much that “don’t ask don’t tell is lifted”. Reserves depleting, well let’s add the gays now and the “civilian reserve” aka “draft” next.

    Sorry… I live in SF and 420’d my way into this conversation.

    Continue

  16. FunMe says

    Oh wow, TROLLS here at towleroad.

    You’re pissing them off and they come here. Very cool.

    That tells me you that your blog has arrived!

    THUMBS UP for towlroad!

  17. Quint says

    Well, with a little bit of luck he and George won’t let the door hit them on the way out. The whole administration is in deep doo-doo. Their crew is drunk on power and it’s our DUTY to stoke the fire of their impending hangover.

    A.G. is testifing to the Senate that the constitution does not guarantee habeas corpus. Wow.

    The question was not out of line. The current administration is.

  18. akaison says

    to the person who said being against gay marriage or gay rights doesn’t muscle into my personal life. My I suggest you read up on the constitution a bit- there is a small section of it called the equal protection clause you may want to become familar with before you post again. thx.

  19. John C says

    Andrew Sullivan hits the nail on the head over at Time.com:

    “The vice-president really does believe that he can somehow champion a party that declares that his daughter must be barred from any legal protections for her child and marriage and never be confronted with the contradiction. Sorry, Mr vice-president, but one day you will have to address how you can front a party dedicated to smearing, marginalizing and disenfranchising a member of your own family. Wolf Blitzer’s question is not out of line. Your hypocrisy is.”

  20. says

    LIGHTNINGLAD said: “Can someone can find a quote with Dick Cheney explicitly saying that gay marriage is wrong and should be banned, or that same-sex couples should not be allowed to raise children together?”

    In 2004 Cheney stated his personal opposition to the Federal Marriage Amendment BUT he supported President Bush, who argued strongly in favor of the amendment. He discussed this during the Oct 2004 Vice Presidential debate:

    CHENEY: “In effect, what’s happened is that in recent months, especially in Massachusetts, but also in California, but in Massachusetts we had the Massachusetts Supreme Court direct the state of — the legislature of Massachusetts to modify their constitution to allow gay marriage.”

    “And the fact is that the president felt that it was important to make it clear that that’s the wrong way to go, as far as he’s concerned.”

    “Now, he sets the policy for this administration, and I support the president.”

    See the transcript here: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/debatereferee/debate_1005.html

  21. GBM says

    Again, I hate Dick Cheney, but his position on gay rights is only awful because of his attachment to the Bush Administration, not, as far as I know, because of his own machinations. John C quotes correctly and Cheney did defer to the president, yet to be fair, in August 2004 he said: “I think different states are likely to come to different conclusions, and that’s appropriate. I don’t think there should necessarily be a federal policy in this area. … I think we ought to do everything we can to — to tolerate and accommodate whatever kind of relationships people want to enter into.”

    http://www.planetout.com/news/article.html?2004/08/24/1

    Cheney is exactly what is wrong with nearly everything in this administration, and was a key figure behind corporate welfare handouts, the manipulation of 9/11, the lies leading to the war in iraq, and exagerrating executive power at the expense of the 1st ammendment, habeus corpus,the Geneva Convention and congressional and judicial oversight. But for whatever reason, Cheney was more outspoken than even his lesbian daughter on gay equality issues, even during an election year. He caved, and is also egregiously guilty by association with Bush and Focus on the Family’s support, but all the same, it was still positive to have a corrupt cynical vice president not only accepting his daughter but claiming that freedom ought to extend to all citizens, gays included.

    In this interview, Cheney was certainly trying to save face from disputing with the likes of Focus on the Family, but certainly questions like the one posed do demean his daughter and his grandson…the problem is that he directs his outrage at Wolf Blitzer who is trying to exploit Cheney’s obvious discomfort (perfectly legitimate to draw Cheney out poltically), rather than at the rabid, rich nutjobs at Focus on the Family who first raised the question at all.

    In summary: Fuck Cheney.

  22. Marc says

    The Bush’s (sic) and Cheney’s (sic) have class?? Bwah-hah-hah . . .

    [Is there a word missing there? Their what has class?]

    Maybe previous generations of Bush’s (sic) had class . . . although I understand Prescott was something of a Nazi-lover, so never mind. His dad looks like a saint compared to this douchebag.

    Grammar aside, Cheney’s hypocrisy is priceless–a reporter asks a question about a verifiable inconsistency, and that’s out of line, but the Republicans pander to their fundie freak base by trying to re-write the Constitution to prevent gays from marrying, and that’s OK????

    I completely agree: Fuck Cheney.

    P.S. – Dear Friends and Family – if you never hear from me again, I’m being waterboarded in Gitmo!

  23. Vincent says

    Cheney is a PIG. Him and People like him are WRONG for America. Have the good people of the united states of amnesia forgotten so quickly him that he has supported an administration of bigots…..and would like nothing better than to keep ALL gay americans second class citizens.

  24. says

    Wow, Steve, I’m speechless. Cheney and Bush did make gay marriage an issue in the 2004 elections. In fact, of those polled who voted for Bush in 2004, the majority of those who voted did not vote on issues of the economy or Iraq, but on MORAL VALUES –

    http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/pages/results/states/US/P/00/epolls.0.html

    -See the poll results half way down the page under “Most Important Issue” and “Moral Values” had the largest amount at 22%.

    Moral values, specifically the Constitutional Amendment to ban Gay Marriage, were paramount in voters’ minds. Another interesting fact has been the steep increases in hate crimes towards homosexuals since Bush’s Presidency. In fact, it seems statistically significant that there is a positive correlation and cause and effect between Bush’s speeches in which Moral Values pertaining to homosexuals’ rights and marriage and sharp increases in hate crimes towards (male) homosexuals. Interesting eh? So no, Blitzer was NOT out of line for asking a pertinent socio-political question to a man who campaigned on taking away the civil liberties of homosexual American’s such as his lesbian daughter and having had the direct support of groups such as Focus on the Family and the AFA. Further, I was astonished that Sen. Edwards was blasted for addressing this issue in the Vice Presidential debate in 2004. Edwards had EVERY right in addressing this issue, and once again Cheney had the nerve to act offended, prompting news headlines condemning Edwards. Such hypocrisy and such a backwards country…

  25. woodroad34 says

    I suppose if someone stayed perfectly out of the spotlight, didn’t write books, act as a campaign manager in a very prominent election or was a public gay face to a homophobic company, you could say that Cheney had a point. But as with all things Cheney/Bush, the opposite holds true. Mary Cheney is a very, very public gay figure of HER own volition. Cheney’s denial is the same kind of denial that got us into a failing, illegal war; the same kind of denial that says he wasn’t drunk when he shot someone in the face; and the same kind of denial that says big oil didn’t have a say in his “Energy Commission” juuuuusssst prior to the Iraq War. He’s the most stereotypical bigot….if he were gay, he’d have bellbottoms, a blouse, and platform shoes.

  26. says

    Another prime example of how this Administration lives in “lala land.” When are the people of this country finally going to wake-up and realize the Republican Party is completely out-of-touch with reality? God knows we can’t take any more of their “leadership.”

  27. peterparker says

    Steve,

    You are correct on one point: neither Bush nor Cheney made an election issue out of Mary Cheney’s lesbianism. In fact, they seemed to do everything possible to keep Mary in the closet during the campaign to the point that, while the rest of the Cheney family joined Dick Cheney on stage at the Republican National Convention, Mary Cheney and her partner Heather Poe stayed off the stage. Coincidence? I think not. The Bush administration (including Cheney) and his campaign staff obviously believed Mary Cheney was a political liability due to her sexual orientation.

    As for your assertion that the private lives of the Cheney family are off limits, you are dead wrong. There are over 1000 rights and responsibilities that accompany marriage, including parental rights, the right to transfer property to your spouse, the right to your spouse’s social security benefits after their death, the right to visit your spouse when they are in the hospital and on and on and on. In no state (except, perhaps, Massachusetts) do GLBT citizens enjoy these rights in an equal fashion as heterosexual citizens. George Bush has stated over and over again his support for an amendment that would bar homosexuals from being able to marry and, in doing so, has stated his support for writing discrimination against an entire class of citizens into The Constitution of the United States of America. During the last Vice Presidential debate Dick Cheney, in responding to a question about his views of The Federal Marriage Amendment, stated his personal disagreement with the bill but his professional support of Bush’s policies. By supporting such discrimination professionally, Bush and Cheney gave up any right to privacy on their views of the relationships of GLBT citizens, including those of their own children. By supporting such discrimination against U.S. citizens, they also make the lives and relationships of their own GLBT family members fair game for debate.

    As for your assertion that “the Bush’s (SIC) and the Cheney’s (SIC) have more class under the soles of their shoes than some of the posters in this blog”, I would urge you to take your own advice and “discuss the issues instead of lodging scurulous (SIC) jabs at (us)”. But since you’ve brought up the issue of class, people with class do not attempt to restrict the rights of a minority group as the members of the Bush administration have done every time they’ve stated their opposition to gay marriage. People with class do not attempt to stir up hatred against a minority group and thus gain political capital by suggesting that members of a minority do not deserve the same rights as the rest of the population. People with class do not lie about military intelligence in an effort to take a country to war against another country. People with class do not make life easier for the rich and more difficult for the poor as the members of the Bush administration have done with every change they’ve made to the tax codes of this country. People with class do not, as Dick Cheney did on the floor of the Senate, tell a political opponent “Go fuck yourself.” No, Steve, neither the Bushes nor the Cheneys have any class whatsoever.

    And finally, your assertion that members of the military are “well educated” would be laughable if not for the fact that everything about this war is so sad. The facts show that the *vast* majority of U.S. Military recruits…in other words, the people serving in Iraq…have no more than a high school education. In 2003 and 2004 a paltry 5.87% of U.S. Military Recruits had greater than high school credentials. In 2005, 5.63% of U.S. Military Recruits had greater than high school credentials. These figures are based on data from U.S. Department of Defense, Office of the Under Secretary of Defense for Personnel and Readiness and U.S. Census Bureau, 2004. There are very few U.S. Military recruits who have completed college and precious few who have advanced degrees.

  28. yoshi says

    *rolls eyes*

    Cheney has been consistant in two things on the gay front – the first is his belief that gay marriage should be left to the states (when asked his personally opinion and not acting as VP) and secondly it has been a -no comment- on his family.

    Hate the guy all you want, believe in the conspirancy theories all you want, but he has not waivered from these positions. In addition – when it comes to anyone’s family – ours or theres – we should respect his family’s privacy. Period.

    Btw – i was almost impressed – it took at least 29 comments before someone mentioned “nazi”. Is the GLBT crowd finally growing up?

    I return you to your rants about how the administration wants to destroy you.

  29. Stephen says

    Blitzer was not out of line. He can ask any question he darn well pleases. Cheney was not out of line in refusing to respond.
    His right to family/personal privacy is his prerogative and I’ve no problem with that.

    He also believes that states should decide for themselves on “same-sex marriage”. Is that a bad thing for homosexuals and lesbians?

  30. peterparker says

    *rolls eyes at Yoshi*

    So, then, if the citizens of one state decided not to recognize marriage between, say, a person of Asian descent and a Caucasion person, it would be okay for Cheney and Bush to support the decision of the citizens of that state?

    As for the family’s privacy, Cheney, of his own volition, sought out a position as one of the most public figures in the land. In New York Times Co. v. Sullivan, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that a public figure has less of a right to privacy than that of an ‘ordinary citizen’. By writing, and promoting an autobiography entitled “Now It’s My Turn”, Mary Cheney became what is known in the law as a ‘limited purpose’ public figure…again, a person who does not enjoy the same rights to privacy as an ‘ordinary citizen’. Sorry, but, according to the law, Dick Cheney and Mary Cheney have far less of a right to privacy as the rest of American citizens.

  31. Rey says

    PETERPARKER is absolutely right.

    Like an actor, performer, singer, etc. who decides to go into the field cannot expect the level of privacy they had before, a politician must be doubly prepared to relate their politics to their personal lives in an effort to serve the people.

    Now about that Mary Cheney book – if a tree is felled for the purposes of making a book that nobody reads, did that tree ever make a sound?

  32. Rich says

    Leslie, I mean Wolf, is a little too coy about this. he should have gone straight to the policy questions about gay rights and how this squares with having a gay daughter. Kerry should have done exactly the same thing. The business about Bush & his drug taking wouldn’t have gotten smothered so easily if the clear policy relevance had been demonstrated from the start.

  33. Dennis says

    Dick Cheney sets himself up for being deservedly smacked down. Mary Cheney is a republican political operative who is pushed to or pulled from the stage by Dick & his fellow puppet-masters as their needs dictate. Wolf is usually a softballer but snuck in a curve ball. Nice move, Wolfie!
    I have nothing but contempt for Dick Cheney & his hypocrisy.

  34. dylan says

    To Steve: Terry Schiavo wasn’t running for public office either, right? So her personal life was also not supposed to be an issue for any one but her immediate family. Then what was it that led every Republican in the country (from Bill Frist to Jeb Bush to the ‘fine’ reporters/commentators at Fox News) to raise such public furor over that?

  35. patrick nyc says

    Patrick. Neither President Bush or VP Cheney made an election issue out of Cheney’s daughter being a lesbian. The press and Kerry did that. Cheney’s offspring are not running for political office and their personal lives are not an issue to anyone but their family’s. That excludes you, Patrick; Wolf Blitzer and the press. If manners and professional integrity should ever become an issue of politics or a campagin, the Democrats and their co-horts who make news in the drive-by media are up the creek without the proverbial paddle. If you disagree with Bush’s policy(s) fine. Try sometime to discuss the issues instead of lodging scurulous jabs at their families. The Bush’s and Cheney’s have more class under the soles of their shoes than some of the posters in this blog obviously have. Additionally, the soldiers serving in our military are men and women, not kids as you attempt to portray them. Most are very well educated and have chosen to serve their country and protect you and me in very personal ways that have never crossed your mind.

    Posted by: Steve | Jan 24, 2007 6:54:35 PM

    Steve if your post was not so sad I’d laugh. First off both Bush and Cheney actively sought the religous right wing by pushing the Gay Marriage issue. The fact that Cheney danced around it in the debate shows how spineless he is. Secondly his daughter Mary was a paid staff member on the campaign, that makes her a public figure as well, even before her lame book came out. The GOP had no trouble attacking Hillary or Kerry’s wife, as do many politicians running for office. You did not see the democrats playing up Laura Bush’s drunk driving accident that killed a fellow friend when she was in High School.
    http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3910b26e685a.htm

    As for Bush and Cheney, or anyone in their families, having class, all I can say is I hope you are not driving, with whatever drugs or alcohol you’ve been taking. These people are the most sleazy slime balls ever to occupy the Whitehouse.

    Lastly, while the kids serving in Iraq may be of legal age, they are still young when it comes to lifes experiences. Now they are seeing more horrors than any of us can imagine. Those who are not physically damaged will surely have many mental damage done.

  36. says

    Mary Cheney was out and campaigning for Republicans before 2004, so it looks like she made herself a public issue:

    “After her father became veep, Mary joined the gay-friendly Republican Unity Coalition and gave speeches encouraging the GOP to reach out to women, minorities and gays. “We can make sexual orientation a nonissue for the Republican Party, and we can help achieve equality for all gay and lesbian Americans,” she said in an April 2002 statement.”

    (Source: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4271472/)

    She withdrew from publically supporting the 2004 election effort after Republican Alan Keyes called her a selfish hedonist in an interview with Michelangelo Signorile. I wonder if Cheney Sr. told him to go fuck himslef over that one?

    I don’t know how Steve defines staying out of the public eye but vocally campaigning for your father and writing a high-profile memoir with a title like “Now It’s My Turn: A Daughter’s Chronicle of Political Life” doesn’t seem very shy and retiring to me.

  37. lark says

    Wow….this is great! Finally, people are getting to see that Bush / Cheney and republicans are not the paragons of virtue and morality as they have tried to legislate from the start when they illegally seized political power over this nation in 2000. The republican party preyed upon the one dimensional voting habits of the religious right wing to assimilate them into their voter base in order to seize political power in 2000. That is because the religious right wing of this nation will vote for anyone who claims to be conservative, moral, Christian or against abortion. It must be difficult being a republican in 2007. To be a republican in 2007, you must concurrently believe the following. Jesus loves you but shares your same hatred of homosexuals and Hillary Clinton. Being a drug addict is a moral failing and a crime, unless you’re a conservative radio host. Then it’s an illness and you need our prayers for your recovery. Iran was a good country when Ford and Rumsfeld and Cheney, along with General Electric, gave them our nuclear technology in the 1970’s. Good guys when Cheney did business with them in the 1990’s. But, then bad guys when Bush junior needed a prop for his re-election campaign as the “war president”. Government should limit itself to the powers named in the Constitution, which should include “banning gay marriages and censoring the Internet”. It’s OK to be a republican lesbian but if you are Democrat then you are someone with a gay liberal agenda. God Bless America!!!

  38. Joe says

    What’s so galling is that the question is certainly not out of line, given his party’s policies on this issue and his daughter’s heavy involvement in his campaigns. Watching Blitzer fawn and crumble like a cookie in response was a nice metaphor for the sorry state of broadcast journalism today. Such beligerence on this issue by Cheney and his wife is a convenient way to never have to defend their daughter.

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