Gay Rights: A Look at Two Young Americans

Sleaster

I missed this profile on William Sleaster (above), the Concord High School student who challenged John McCain on gay rights last week (some of which can be seen in the clip below). Sleaster made headlines when he followed up his questioning by telling McCain, “I came here looking to see a leader. I don’t.”

Sleaster told the Concord Monitor: “It may have been disrespectful, but he discriminates against me and my people. If he walked in there to Tide Pride (the school’s LGBT support group) Monday morning and started dropping sexual slurs, we wouldn’t shake his hand and say, ‘Thanks for coming.’ That’s why I didn’t shake his hand and say, ‘Thanks for coming.’ I regret nothing…Going into it, I was looking to be impressed. I was looking for him to be the leader type,” Sleaster said. “But he didn’t show that at all. He seemed very weak. He didn’t have any good ideas at all.”

Sleaster says that some of his views crystallized after coming out to his classmates last February as bisexual: “It was a good thing to do, to come out like that. Then I knew the whole don’t ask thing, the policy, was very flawed. Pretending your sexuality is something it’s not is very difficult to do. Even liking both sexes, you can’t just pretend you like one. It’s very hard to do.”

He even understands why he was scolded for his strong words to McCain: “I believe (what the teacher did) was proper. They wanted us to shake the candidate’s hand. They wanted to make sure I didn’t make Concord High look bad. I understand why they might have been worried.”

The need for young people like Sleaster is made ever-apparent by the rising Fundie youth in Louisiana.

DentonContrast Sleaster’s perspective with that of Louisiana State University student wingnut Michael Denton (right), whose school paper yesterday published an opinion piece a hate piece he wrote called “America needs to stand against homosexuality” which basically spews the talking points of the worst of the right-wing Evangelical bigots:

Writes Denton: “America needs to grow in self-confidence on this debate. The homosexual argument is illogical; sexuality is obviously meant for reproduction. Any sexual activity that is opposed to life is intrinsically disordered. Yet we continue to refuse to stand up for ourselves, allowing courts, school boards and speech codes to dictate political correctness to us. There are few greater debates in America today. The gay marriage issue threatens marriage and the family, which are the very foundations of society. Unless America decides to stand for something in this case, we’ll continue to fall.”

Denton is very concerned about the “homosexual movement”: “They know they can’t win in elections. Despite all of their efforts to convert us, an August 2007 CNN poll still shows 57 percent of Americans opposing gay marriage. So they ignore the democratic process and rush to friendlier courts. To top it all off, they’re using sex education programs to jam their views down the throats of school children. They’re not looking for debate; they’re looking for victory at any cost.”

As much as we think youth is on our side in the gay rights debate (and I still believe it is, as a general trend), bigoted slugs like Denton will still rise from the spawn of the worst kind of Bible Belt bigots. I’m just grateful folks like Sleaster will be around to take ’em down.

The teen who challenged John McCain [concord monitor]
America needs to stand against homosexuality [the daily reveille]
(thanks, Zeke and Peter)

Comments

  1. dec-20008 says

    Denton, the poor kid, is the product of a brain-washed culture that discriminates against all minorities. I’d love to know his perspectives on Blacks, Asians, Hispanics, etc. It is HIGHLY unlikely he is only bigoted against gay people.

  2. Kevin says

    What is so fundamentally flawed about Denton’s editorial is his inability to seperate fact from opinion. He says “sexuality is obviously meant for reproduction. Any sexual activity that is opposed to life is intrinsically disordered.” Words like “obviously” and “intrinsically” allow him to state his opinion without having to rely on any sort of proof – scientific studies, psychological research, etc. Unfortunately, in Louisiana, though, his audience probably does think his opinions are obviously true. I think William Sleaster is great – I think its amazing how kids in high school today can, in some places, be so relaxed and comfortable with their sexuality – whether they are gay or bisexual. They are my hope for the future.

  3. OhIsee says

    Oh, I see. I understand. We’re gonna hear about Denton off and on over the next couple of years. The final time will be about a tryst in a bathroom stall, indubitably.

  4. Sean Green says

    I am a young gay man who came out at school and I now work with other young LGBT people giving support and a safe space to hang out.

    People like Sleaster make me proud of being gay and give me so much hope.

    I wanted to write a response to Denton’s piece… but it would just make me angry and take away from the “WOO HOO!” I’m giving Sleaster.

    The youth of today are going to be the ones to rid the world of hate.

    Sean xx

  5. taz389 says

    i’m sure this denton, little troll from hell, listen to ja rules !!!!

    Funny to see how a geek like him and a giant twat like ja rules can have so much in common when it ‘s about hating gays so much !!!

    they make me wanna puke …

  6. Matt says

    I’m sure i’m going to get bashed so here goes. While I disagree with Mr. Denton’s oped, I believe that calling a “slug” is inappropriate. Some of us grew up and continue to live in the “bible belt of bigots”. He was probably raised to think this way. We should have compassion that someday his view will change. I myself grew up in this same environment and it took me many years to come to terms with who I am. It is very hard to come to grips with something you have been taught from birth to realize it is wrong. I don’t hate Mr. Denton. I don’t think he is a slug. He is just the product of parents, family, and/or community that has trained him in this manner of thinking.

  7. Jeff says

    An argument that I wish someone would make re: marriage being only to facilitate reproduction (though I don’t personally feel this way) is the question of infertile couples or post-menopausal couples. Should their marriages no longer be valid? Is their love not full since they are unable to have children? This Denton kid’s article makes me so angry because it advocates such a tunnel vision about the world.

  8. darb says

    Matt — thanks for your comments. While Denton’s oped really makes me angry, I kinda agree with you. It’s easy for me to forget sometimes that, until well into college, I was a closeted, conservative republican from the midwest. ugh. Admitting that now, even anonymously on a board like this, makes me queasy and a little ashamed that I couldn’t have been more like William Sleaster.

    The scary part is that if I were not gay, I would probably have continued down that path. Being gay forced me to challenge my own views, internally, and ultimately made me a better person (i.e., a liberal :-).

    Let’s hope Mr. Denton has something in his life that will do the same for him.

  9. CF says

    The irony of your comment, Sean Green stings:
    “The youth of today are going to be the ones to rid the world of hate.”

    With turds like that Denton nerd out there trying to perpetuate hate against (adult) homosexual men and women, I’m less confident than you are. I didn’t make it through a tough adolescence to become a relatively happy, authentic adult only to put up with uninformed rhetoric from some stupid, backwater kid.

    I want to mush Denton’s glasses into his face and I hope someone beats his ass down.

  10. Rafael says

    Mr. Denton proposes to suppress what he sees as a problem, he does not provide for a real solution to his issues and therefore continues to live deprived of reality. I just hope school officials at LSU offer him the proper help so that he doesn’t become a Cho Seung-Hui.

  11. gacbos says

    Thanks for bringing the good and the ugly to our attention, as always. Good work, Andy. I’ve sent a note to the LSU student paper’s editor:

    There is a maxim that states, “good ethics begins with good facts.” The maxim is applicable to the ethics of publishing (even) opinion pieces in student newspapers. Even without addressing your columnist Michel Denton’s personal ethics, or whether his column (and yours) properly should be described as “hate speech,” the facts upon which Mr. Denton’s arguments are based are so wrong, that the ethics of publishing his opinion are in question. It’ll be an easier course for you and your editorial board to default to a free speech, its-his-opinion-don’t-blame-the-paper defense; but that’s not the higher road out of the mess you’re now in. Why don’t you assign a few reporters – maybe even Michel Denton, included – to research and report on the science of sexual orientation? I’m not sure that Mr. Denton will want to be redeemed by the facts, but your paper can and should be.

  12. Zeke says

    Yeah Andy, the kids are young but stories like these, sadly, are a dime a dozen.

    Just recently we had another Tale of Two Gays in the headlines.

    First, the story of an out proud gay man who won the presidency of the Young Democrats of America. His name is David Hardt:

    http://www.queerty.com/politics/the-new-issue-david-hardt-20070907/

    This will probably be future William Sleaster can look forward to.

    And then there’s the sniveling, closeted sexual predator president of the Young Republicans (one of THE most anti-gay organizations in America) and his story:

    http://www.news-tribune.net/breakingnews/local_story_219210228.html

    I bet Glenn Murphy Jr. looked like, sounded like and acted a lot like Mr. Denton when he was in college.

    The irony shouldn’t be lost on anyone that IN THE SAME YEAR both the Young Democrats and the Young Republicans elected gay men to presidents of their respective organizations. The Young Republicans HOWLED with homophobic glee at the news that the Young Democrats elected a fag to lead their organization.

    Well WHO’S howling now?

  13. ATLSteve says

    Denton = classic closet case. I know – I went to a major southern univ. with guys like him and they were also major self-hating closet cases.

    Someone should do a significant psychological/sociological study of the College Republican male of the last 25 years (after Reagan got going). I bet the findings would be eye-opening.

    And yes, I was in the closet in college (late 80s) and I was a College Republican for a time (although not in any way like these types).

  14. Ted B. (Charging Rhino) says

    Ten years from now Mr. Denton’s minivan—with stickers for kis kids’ soccer teams— will be seen parked outside his local (porn) video rental store, and it’s likely that he’ll come outside with dirty pantknees. I’ve seen his type before.

  15. says

    Please, like we are going to all learn something about sexuality from some college student. It takes a lot of arrogance for someone with his age and experience to preach to “Americans” about sexuality. I bet he’s a freshman (probably a virgin too).

  16. Jake says

    I think Jeff brings up the biggest issue I have with Denton’s viewpoint. If sexuality is merely for reproduction, should we condemn sexual acts committed for the sake of pleasure? So infertile couples and couples who use birth control and couples who are beyond the age of reproduction should be condemned for having sex for pleasure? If sex were merely for reproduction, there would be no evolutionary purpose in receiving pleasure from it. Only those who wish to reproduce would do it and would do it solely for the sake of reproduction. So why do we receive pleasure from it?

    Also – even if homosexuality is an abnormality in nature and the only purpose to sex is reproduction, does that mean homosexuals should be treated any differently than any other human being possessing some trait that is unnatural. Like left handedness or a mental or physical handicap? Infertility would be as much an abnormality in nature by his standards as homosexuality. Yet we do not deprive those who are infertile of the right to marry and have sex or freedom from job discrimination.

    All this coming of course from a kid who probably has never had sex and therefore should not be taken seriously when it comes to making a case for the purpose of sex at all. I think its good that people like him exist simply because the majority of Americans have sex for reasons beyond reproduction so would be able to see the flaw in his thinking and dismiss his case. Those who agree, well you’re never going to change their minds about homosexuality to being with, so why bother?

  17. Leland Frances says

    RE calling him a “slug,” Andy is entirely right in doing that. What would you call Sleaster, “naughty boy; very naughty boy”? We are still effectively under Society’s boot, with countless numbers of us afraid to come out to our family and friends, even ourselves, because most of our movement has been afraid of being called impolite or rude or what the fuck ever as if we were perpetually living in some kind of prissy Sunday School class instead of the real world in which we are denied legal equality, verbally and physically brutalized, and clubbed, knifed, hung, shot, our bodies set on fire. McCain was speaking as a bigot yet the courageous kid who called him on his bigotry was condemned for being “rude.” If he’d said that Blacks or Hispanics or Jews shouldn’t be allowed to serve in the military would teacher have worried about anyone being rude to him. If he’d said he’d never heard the term “NAACP” the same way he went blank on “LGBT”?

    You don’t stop bigots or their bullets, figurative and literal, with hearts and flowers or tea and sympathy. Read what Ms. Louisiana said again—slowly, outloud. He is demonizing millions of people; calling on people to see us as a “threat.” That is hate speech; that is the kind of rhetoric that leads those who physically attack us to feel justified.

    Referring to him as a slug is not just hissy fit name calling but a call to others to understand the seriousness of his lies, of what he is proposing.

    Years ago the Smothers Brothers had a comedy song routine in which Tommy falls into a vat of chocolate and starts yelling, “Fire! FIRE! FIIRRRRE!!!” His brother asks, “Why did you yell ‘Fire’?” Tommy replies, “Because no one would have come if I’d yelled ‘CHOCCCOLATTTE!!’.”

  18. BDD says

    If Mr. Denton feels that by prohibiting gays from marrying, the survival of the already overpopulated human race will be ensured, the he needs to look up the world “homosexual” in any 8th grade Life Science textbook. Prohibiting gays from marrying will not make them heterosexual. Homosexuals tend to avoid sex with those to whom they are not attracted. The institution of marriage is not solely available to tohse who can or plan to procreate and should not be denied to anyone who cannot do so by Nature or will not do so by choice. If that is his basis for preventing homosexuals from marrying, then anyone infertile or unwanting of children should also be prohibited from marrying or having sex at all. After hearing his thoughts, I would argue that the pool of those who are capable and wanting of procreation needs a better lifeguard. Clearly his parents’ willingness to procreate has not served mankind well.

  19. Dean says

    I’m going to echo Matt’s comment and say that this Denton is a product of his social sphere. Calling such a person names won’t ever change their viewpoint… anymore than them calling us names has changed ours. However, having truth and right on our side WILL eventually change the viewpoints of more and more people.

    Maybe someday even such an ignorant person as Mr. Denton.

  20. Gregg says

    Denton is young, to be sure, but he is not a kid. These comments above that dismiss his actions because he’s “just a product of his environment” border on moronic. Compassion is one thing. But dismissing his actions as excusable is not only stupid, it’s dangerous.

  21. Miguel says

    Denton is right about one thing: sexual activities do exist for the sole purpose of recombining the genetic information from a male and female into an offspring to further the species.

    Unfortunately, what many people fail to realize is that the mechanisms that encourage organisms to mate(i.e. sexual drive, emotional attachment, etc) are still present in homosexuals even though our sexual orientation has been switched and the end result of sexual activity is moot in biological terms.

    They don’t understand that we’re simply living organisms whose mechanisms responsible for emotional bonding and sexual drive are intrinsically hardwired into our brains. And thus, homosexuality has nothing to do with morality.

    From a humane perspective, our most basic instincts for love and sex, common to all people, should be grounds for respect and acceptance.

    Ignorance; alas, impedes the gay rights movement

  22. Tom says

    “However, having truth and right on our side WILL eventually change the viewpoints of more and more people.”

    Kumbaya, my Lord, kumbaya….

    Can someone put another log on the campfire and pass the s’mores…OR

    GROW UP!!!

  23. Gregoire says

    Lets see if Denton feels this way once he moves out of his house.

    Keep in mind that both of these boys form their opinions in rather immature ways. The difference being that Sleaster’s seem to have formed from his brain, Denton’s from his parents brains.

  24. Leland Frances says

    RE calling him a “slug,” Andy is entirely right in doing that. What would you call Sleaster, “naughty boy; very naughty boy”? We are still effectively under Society’s boot, with countless numbers of us afraid to come out to our family and friends, even ourselves, because most of our movement has been afraid of being called impolite or rude or what the fuck ever as if we were perpetually living in some kind of prissy Sunday School class instead of the real world in which we are denied legal equality, verbally and physically brutalized, and clubbed, knifed, hung, shot, our bodies set on fire. McCain was speaking as a bigot yet the courageous kid who called him on his bigotry was condemned for being “rude.” If he’d said that Blacks or Hispanics or Jews shouldn’t be allowed to serve in the military would teacher have worried about anyone being rude to him. If he’d said he’d never heard the term “NAACP” the same way he went blank on “LGBT”?

    You don’t stop bigots or their bullets, figurative and literal, with hearts and flowers or tea and sympathy. Read what Ms. Louisiana said again—slowly, outloud. He is demonizing millions of people; calling on people to see us as a “threat.” That is hate speech; that is the kind of rhetoric that leads those who physically attack us to feel justified.

    Referring to him as a slug is not just hissy fit name calling but a call to others to understand the seriousness of his lies, of what he is proposing.

    Years ago the Smothers Brothers had a comedy song routine in which Tommy falls into a vat of chocolate and starts yelling, “Fire! FIRE! FIIRRRRE!!!” His brother asks, “Why did you yell ‘Fire’?” Tommy replies, “Because no one would have come if I’d yelled ‘CHOCCCOLATTTE!!’.”

  25. Zeke says

    “…even if homosexuality is an abnormality in nature and the only purpose to sex is reproduction, does that mean homosexuals should be treated any differently than any other human being possessing some trait that is unnatural” — JAKE

    JAKE, homosexuality may be “abnormal” (as in “not the norm”), but it most certainly is NOT “unnatural”.

    People tend to interchange these words as if they mean the same thing.

    Left-handedness, like homosexuality, is not “normal” but it is perfectly natural for a segment of the population.

  26. nic says

    rather than prove his thesis, the identical twins studies this twit cites argue against it. the incidence of gayness in identical twins is higher than among fraternal twins and much higher than among brothers who are neither. the incidence of gayness in fraternal twins is higher than in non-twin brothers.

    this moron rests his argument on the idiotic notion that identical twins are exact clones of each other. to follow this sophistry to its logical conclusion, identical twins would get the same diseases, have the same vision and hearing acuity, and in fact, be carbon (literal and figurative)copies of each other.

    what’s more, i know of no study that bases the origin of gayness strictly on genetic grounds. there are also hormonal influences in-utero. other variables have been posited that may impact sexuality; environmental and emotional stressors on the pregnant mother, for example.

    this is nothing but a scurrilous argument cloaked in speciousness wrapped up in authenticity. nothing angers me more than slack-jawed opinion supported by spurious claims.

    denton would have been better off saying, “god hates fags,” and left it at that. that statement contains the sum total of his opinion and his “facts”. plus, it would at least be honest.

  27. Zeke says

    NIC, you’re right.

    Many twins don’t share the same handedness but no one, in this day and age, doubts that handedness is a natural, inborn and innate orientation.

  28. Bill says

    The contrast between these two young men is obvious. It’s ironic the one who thinks more clearly is a high school student, while the other is already in college. I hope Mr. Denton takes a few philosophy classes while he is at LSU. It could help him see how illogical the arguments are in his little editorial. Let’s hope his ignorance dissipates.

  29. says

    Denton said: They’re not looking for debate; they’re looking for victory at any cost.

    If by “victory” he means I get the freedom to live my life unencumbered by fear and prejudice, exercising the same rights as every other citizen of this country, then yes, I agree.

  30. jimmyboyo says

    WAPO reported on a poll a while ago that sheds a ray of hope on the future.

    30 and older self identified evangelicals 7 out of 10 fear gay marriage

    younger than 30 self identified evangelicals 3 out of 10 feared gay marriage.

    Slowly but surely the old dinos will die off and more progressive generations will take over. Each generation is inherently more liberal than its predecessor. For example modern evangelicals would all be hung as witches by the folks back in time in salem.

  31. Zachary says

    I hope I don’t get flammed for saying this… I don’t mean to put down what William Sleaster did, as I think that it is awesome that he was able to stand up and voice his opinion against such as a man as John McCain- making him accountable for what he says. And I agree we need more people who are willing to do this. But looking at his myspace page (easily searchable by his name) I wonder what motivations he had. It seems almost like he is just one who is searching for attention.

    Does that matter or play a part? Is it the action or the motivation behind it that matters? His page and posted blogs make him appear somewhat selfloathing, and not the nicest of kids. He even uses gay slurs himself when putting things and people down.

    Granted he’s 16, just came out, in high school and is still coming to terms with himself. So I can see the deeper roots. I just hope he able to get through and past it, and continue on speaking out for himself and others.

    Not to get too philosophical but when we hold someone up to such a height and hero standard- should we focus soley on one outside action or the whole being?

  32. mark m says

    “Denton is right about one thing: sexual activities do exist for the sole purpose of recombining the genetic information from a male and female into an offspring to further the species.”

    I guess Benobo Chimps didn’t get the Memo that sexual activity’s SOLE purpose is reproduction. They use sex to relieve social stress and resolve disputes – gender is irrelevent to this activity. And when boy animals are fucking boy animals, the whole “natural” debate completely flies out the window.

  33. anon (gmail.com) says

    Others above have come close to making this point, but the nuance I think is important: if sex were strictly a mechanical act, like turning on a light switch, then I doubt moral considerations would come into play. It’s only because there are emotional and physiological ramifications to sex that one needs to consider ethics and morality (though I would prefer we use the logic of ethics to the the dreams of morality). He has actually divorced sex from morality by his argument, or is he so worried about the emotional side of the subject that to him the ideal of sex would happen only in fertility clinics with beakers and syringes? We have achieved something of a “moral” victory over nature by having “unnatural” sex, becoming its master for the most part, rather than the other way around and separating us further from “lowly” animals, who are so normally dismissed by conservatives.

  34. nic says

    zachery,
    these are the answers to your questions:
    -no.
    -the action.
    -nobody is trying to beatify him.

    now, you answer me this. why were you trolling his myspace page?

  35. Caleb says

    Why do people with no real understanding of genetics feel like they can discuss the subject in the manner that Denton does?

    He states, “If genetics was the explanation, the proof would be easy. One would merely have to look at identical twins. Since they share the exact same genetic codes, if homosexuality was entirely genetic then identical twins would share the homosexuality trait 100 percent of the time.”

    This is simply untrue, and shows an ignorance of genetics. Penetrance is a term used in genetics to describe how often a gene will express its phenotype. That is to say If the “gay gene” had 50% penetrance, then only 50% of those who you would expect to be gay by looking at their genetic code would actually be gay.

    I’m not arguing that there is a sinle gay gene, just that there is more to genetics than Denton learned whilst constructing Punnett Squares in his 9th grade Bio class. And I’m sick of people advocating the restriction of rights based on their own ignorance. Something that happens far too often in this country.

  36. Miguel says

    Gregg,Mark M, you miss the point. I said sex EXISTS for one purpose. Natural selection favored an activity that produced genetically varied offspring in an non-aquatic environment (Aquatic organisms have the option of external fertilization). Without it’s goal, sex wouldn’t have evolved in the first place. It’s quite a simple concept. I don’t know why you guys don’t understand that.

    Now, what we decide to do with the Existence of sex is another thing. We Homo sapiens have managed to grow a large enough brain, and complex social structure that allows us to use sex for secondary purposes (i.e. dopamine release and strengthening of relationships)

  37. Zachary says

    Anon (gmail.com),

    Trolling? The news article mentioned he had a myspace page, I went to check it out, to see who this kid was who the media and others are, yes, holding up. I was just asking a few simple questions. And while I appreciate your curt responses, the snide remark at the end was not neccesary.

  38. LSUmd says

    It saddens me greatly to see that the only mention of LSU (my alma mater) over the past year I’ve been reading this blog is in connection with guy.

    Let me just point out that LSU is home to the oldest college gay-student group in the south. They celebrated their 20th anniversary during my time there (95-99). I doubt even a majority of the current student body thinks like this guy. We were generally considered to be among the more liberal of student bodies in the south, relatively speaking.

  39. Gregg says

    No Miguel – YOU miss the point. You are spouting ideas as if they are facts. They are actually not facts. They may be your beliefs, but that does not make them true.

    Take your argument further. Why DO Bonobos have so much free-for-all sex? Why does homosexuality exist in species other than humans?

    These are complex issues and deserve more thought than your un-nuanced answers.

  40. Misty says

    Denton looks like the kind of dweeb on the cover of Guys Who Get Beat Up magazine.

    I think he is trying to convince everyone- himself included- that he does not have same-sex attraction. What else could all his fuss be about?

  41. says

    Another reactionary student piece reported in Language Log here: http://itre.cis.upenn.edu/~myl/languagelog/archives/004907.html

    “…a column in the State News, Michigan State’s student newspaper, today:

    Leftists have tried fervently since the 1960s to subvert American culture by promoting cultural heresies, which really only amount to a form of subversion. These cultural heresies include but are not limited to: Radical feminism, sexual deviancy, multilingualism and atheism.

    Since the days of Joseph McCarthy, the list of threats to America from the left has evolved some. Communism is no longer high on the list, while feminism has joined homosexuality and atheism as a major ogre, along with abortion and same-sex marriage (cultural heresies that didn’t make conservative columnist Nate Sherman’s short list of four, though they’re surely in his top ten). But now we see that multilingualism is subversion, major subversion.

    Godless, queer, feminazi multilinguals! They’re everywhere!”

  42. Dean says

    For those of you who would like me to “grow up” or think that I’m “moronic”, I’d like to point out that as an OUT gay man in the RURAL SOUTH, I think I’m fairly well aware of the homophobic culture in which we live.

    Please, feel free to continue throwing your hissy fits in the big city… just, please, try to stay out of the way of those of us who are actually trying to work to change the way the whole country thinks… Not just New York and San Francisco.

  43. says

    GREGG: “Denton is young, to be sure, but he is not a kid. These comments above that dismiss his actions because he’s “just a product of his environment” border on moronic. Compassion is one thing. But dismissing his actions as excusable is not only stupid, it’s dangerous.”

    OK, that lets us all off the hook for feeling compassion for Americans for their actions. I was starting to get compassion fatigue.

    Sadly Denton’s environment is the biggest subset of the most influentical cultural force on the planet. It’s hard for people to move out of that centre of gravity. In physical terms, it’s a completely stable situation and requires a massive, pretty much cataclysmic force to shake it into a new state. Wishful thinking is not enough.

  44. Stephen says

    Denton’s argument that sexual relations are meant for reproduction is true, but not exclusive. Sex is alos to be enjoyed without creating life in each union.

    However, he is RIGHT ON regarding his opposition to “gay marriage” (always an oxymoron). Civil unions can provide virtually all the benefits that married couples have. But gays aren’t satisfied with a civil union law crafted by Congress (or state by state) that would provide benefits to couples in a civil union or marriage.
    Gays MUST continue to ram their agenda (they are UNWILLING to compromise – and they call Christians, etc. the bigots!)down the collective throat of the majority of Americans (and 95% of the current presidential candidates). THAT is primarily what turns people against them.
    Lighten up, campaign for the rights through civil unions. Gays would be pleasantly surprised with a turn in the % of opposition if they were to recede in their militant approach of demanding marriage without COMPROMISE.

  45. Trista312 says

    In regards to the blog post, I am elated. Kudos to William Sleaster for challenging what needs to be challenged and supporting and sticking with what he truly believes. Asking John McCain about his views is essential to all young and even older Americans who fail to see the views of their candidates before choosing who to vote for. It’s so honorable to know that he understands that it can be seen as disrespectful and that his intentions were not to stir conflict but rather to see if a possible leader of his country supports or disagrees with his lifestyle. Denton, on the other hand, is a dumbass. Honestly, I can’t find a better word to describe the way he thinks. I find it hard to comment on his views without ranting through vulgarity and almost hatred. Instead, I’ll direct my ranting to the previous commenter.

    Zachary, you cannot be serious about ‘what turns people against’ homo or bisexuals. If so, you are one of the many ignorant people on this earth not fortunate enough to get any real perspective on life. You are an idiot.

    It’s good to see that you can get out of the tunnel Denton sees through in regards to sexual relations and reproduction; however it looks like you are still stuck under a rock with the rest of his ideas. True, civil unions can provide many (not all) of the benefits that marriage provides, however I don’t think it’s only about the ‘benefits’. Civil unions would likely satisfy the gay community if bigotry was completely eliminated. Obviously the two do not directly correlate and seeing as I am heterosexual, I can say only for myself if I were born homosexual. Having the opportunity to be married would be another step in preventing segregation throughout our country. People who support gay rights do not ‘continue to ram their adgenda’ but rather try and stop the segregation and bigotry that prevents them from leading a regular, successful and supported lifestyle.

    I feel sorry for you, Zachary. I feel sorry for the person who finds segregation and hate necessary. The person that chooses to be one sided and not allow the happiness of others. I feel sorry for those out there who cannot see that it’s not all about the right to marry. It’s about rights, period. It’s about equality and freedom and for that, I feel so sorry for all of you and your tunnel vision lives.

    The fight between those who support gay rights and those who do not is exactly like the racial segregation we have worked to overcome for the last two centuries. We have made tremendous steps towards equality with racial segregation and will do the same with gay rights. The fight towards equality of all sexual preferences has been a fight in only the last century. This time period is much less than that of racial segregation and slowly but surely we will continue to fight and to raise awareness, turn heads, and change minds. We will be successful. People will see the real meaning of life is not bigotry and hate but success, happiness and kindness. Slowly, but surely.

  46. Stephen says

    TRISTA:
    I never said I hate gays, so your remark about “(me) finding segregation and hate necessary,” is wanting.

    As for those gays who, as I said, “want to ram their agenda down the collective throats of the opposition,” I strongly disagree with you calling me ignorant. I know too many people who are FOR extending rights to gays but steadfastly AGAINST calling it marriage. If gays ease up on this point, they’ve a better chance of gaining what they seek.

  47. Bill Perdue says

    This Denton twit is a Jesuit shill. That’s Ratzingers spiel to a T. They combine a dash of science with a barrel of sophistry and bamboozle the dunderheads at Sunday mass.

    The French Revolution responded to Jesuit sophistry with the guillotine. The Spanish revolutionaries of 1938-39 preferred to line them up against a wall and blow their brains out. I suppose we’ll just have to take a vote on it when our time comes.

    William Sleaster and the 40,000 odd members of the 3,612 GSAs and GLSEN chapters around the US are the future. Their generation is combative and confident and I doubt they’ll spend much time in the swamp of the Democratic and Republican Party. Not if they want real change.

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