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Huckabee to GQ: Gay Marriage Will End Civilization

Republican presidential hopeful Mike Huckabee talks to GQ about a number of things in this recent interview, and says he doesn't want gays to have marriage or civil unions.

HuckabeeGQ: Is the strategy shifting because social conservatives are losing on those core issues? Ten years ago, it would have been unimaginable to have gay marriage even in liberal Massachusetts. Now it’s there.

HUCKABEE: I don’t think the issue’s about being against gay marriage. It’s about being for traditional marriage and articulating the reason that’s important. You have to have a basic family structure. There’s never been a civilization that has rewritten what marriage and family means and survived. So there is a sense in which, you know, it’s one thing to say if people want to live a different way, that’s their business. But when you want to redefine what family means or what marriage means, then that’s an issue that should require some serious and significant debate in the public square. And if you look at states that have had it on the ballot—I know in our state it was a 70-percent-against issue. Most states are similar to that.

GQ: But if the younger generation keeps going the way it’s going, it could be 50 percent in ten years.

HUCKABEE: It could.

GQ: I just wonder what you’d say to the gay couple who says, “Well, we want to live this way, and my partner can’t come visit me in a nursing home.”

HUCKABEE: He can with a power of attorney. That’s the fallacy, that this requires some new definition of marriage. It’s simply not the case.

GQ: So why can’t you call it a civil union?

HUCKABEE: Because it really is a precursor toward marriage. Once the government says this relationship is in essence similar to or equal to a marriage—we’re not going to call it that, but that’s what it is—and you grant it the same basic rights as marriage, then you’ve effectively done it.

He will, however, gladly take the support of gays if they'd like to give it to him.

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  1. "Most states are like that"

    Huckabee wants us to forget that there are more people IN FAVOR of gay marriage in conservative Orange County, California than against it in Wyoming and Alaska combined.

    Posted by: RDM | Dec 5, 2007 12:26:52 PM


  2. Dickhead

    Posted by: Will | Dec 5, 2007 12:27:15 PM


  3. What a sack of shit. He thinks it's okay to force each individual GLBT couple to cobble together, often at great expense due to the fact that lawyers ain't cheap, a set of protections that are wholly inferior to what heterosexual couples enjoy. I hope someone shoots him on the campaign trail.

    Posted by: peterparker | Dec 5, 2007 12:28:50 PM


  4. LOGCABIN must be proud.

    Posted by: johnosahon | Dec 5, 2007 12:28:58 PM


  5. I pray for the day that some journalist has the stones to pursue this line with one of these trogs, to ask how exactly this "redefining" will lead to the collapse of the traditional struggle. It is a shibboleth, an often repeated phrase that satisfies the shallow inquiry that passes for the vetting of public officials in this day and age. But in fact these family values candidates and their followers simply lack the argument or the data to support their contention.

    The threat of the collapse of the family still has this talismanic power among the unenlightened (and other types who fall for this snake-oil salesman's pitch). All you have to do is speak the magic words, and their eyes glaze over and they fall into this credulous, gullible state that, in my opinion, is directly aligned with and leads to gay-bashing and the antics of the sociopaths at Westboro Baptist.

    Posted by: GM | Dec 5, 2007 12:32:53 PM


  6. "There’s never been a civilization that has rewritten what marriage and family means and survived."

    A bold faced lie. Countries where gay marriage or unions are legalized have not been destroyed. I'd like for once someone to actually substantiate such a rediculous idea.

    Posted by: Wes | Dec 5, 2007 12:37:21 PM


  7. GM, that is very very well put. I'd also like to know why fundamentalist Christians are somehow experts in ancient civilizations. It's ridiculous to give them such credit of knowledge.

    Posted by: Jeff | Dec 5, 2007 12:39:42 PM


  8. It's the same argument people used 40 years ago to justify anti-miscegenation laws. In another 25 years, people will be able to point to countries like the Netherlands, Spain, Sweden, Canada, etc. as examples of instances where gay marriage did not result in a total collapse of civilization. Then men like Huckabee will look like the frightened idiots they are.

    Posted by: Edwardo | Dec 5, 2007 12:40:14 PM


  9. What an imbecile!!
    "...There’s never been a civilization that has rewritten what marriage and family means and survived." WTF? That's because marriage was NEVER defined as the institution we have nowadays. If a candidate to presidency fails to see this, then it is INDEED the end of civilization. I guess Canada will go first along with South, Africa, Belgium,etc. Pathetic!

    Posted by: Shabaka | Dec 5, 2007 12:45:01 PM


  10. Many Republicans make the claim that if you cover your relationship in enough paperwork, you get all of the legal benefits. Bullshit. This simply isn't true. A bigoted doctor, family member, or other person can challenge or ignore these documents. And, yes, you can sue as a result but your partner may very well be dying or dead by then and you aren't guaranteed that you won't get a homophobic judge. Never mind the benefits you can't acquire by contract and the cost of all of this legal wrangling...all of which can be just as easily challenged in court.

    Wills between gay men have been broken by surviving family members and homophobic judges. If you believe homosexuality is a mental illness, how are homosexuals competent to enter into legal contracts? It's a slipperly legal slope from there.

    As an example of homophobia in the legal system, I had a friend who ended up in court over a DUI. Once it was determined that he had left a gay bar, as part of his sentence, the judge made him come out to his elderly mother and explain his "lifestyle". WTF?

    In Virginia, the anti-gay marriage act that passed is so draconian that it prohibits any contractual relations intended to bestow the benefits of marriage. Is this enforceable? Nobody knows...but nobody wants to be the test case either. There was a story in The Washington Post about a lesbian couple who moved from VA to MD because one of the two is sick and they didn't want to be the test case.

    The idea that marriage has always been a religious institution is false. In a country where civil marriage exists it is demonstrably untrue. Even Martin Luther, father of the Protestant Reformation, did not believe marriage to be a religious institution. He thought them to be civil arrangements that were to be held at best on the steps of the church so that the marriage could be blessed in the church thereafter.

    This rhetoric is on a par with the ignorance of history that leads what's her face on The View to believe that Christ came before the Greeks.

    Posted by: Stever | Dec 5, 2007 12:53:46 PM


  11. Be afraid. Be very afraid!

    Posted by: Pugzz | Dec 5, 2007 12:56:47 PM


  12. Huckabee said: “There’s never been a civilization that has rewritten what marriage and family means and survived.”
    Which civilization? Why didn’t the reporter ask him to list the civilization that this happened to? Oh wait, I do know the answer. It’s because Huckabee is a delusional hatemonger.

    Posted by: 1♥ | Dec 5, 2007 12:59:20 PM


  13. Stever is exactly right. Huckabee says that a power of attorney will protect you. That's a bunch of bullshit and he knows it. If you don't have the law on your side, any bigot in power can crush you and laugh while he's doing it.

    Huckabee is a hardcore Baptist -- has been since he was a teenager. Baptists believe that homosexuality or homosexual relationships should not be sanctioned, protected, or endorsed in any way. What he's trying to do is finesse the issue so he doesn't look like a wacko fundie on the campaign trail. Unfortunately, he's pretty good at that. So far he's doing way better in the polls than anybody expected he could ever do. If Huckabee were to become our next President he would make George W. Bush look like an enlightened progressive when it comes to GLBT issues.

    Posted by: Frank L | Dec 5, 2007 1:00:01 PM


  14. Huckabee: not voting for me will be the end of civilization.

    Posted by: anon (gmail.com) | Dec 5, 2007 1:04:36 PM


  15. Huckabee's comments are irrelevant. The same sex issues are being decided on a state-by-state basis. While I appreciate that he has an opinion, I certainly disagree, and don't plan on voting for him

    Posted by: mike | Dec 5, 2007 1:05:23 PM


  16. This is such a crock of crap. Yes I'm more conservative than most of my gay and lesbian counterparts but I hate not being equal. Why am I such a threat to them? These people don't care about perserving anything except their power.

    Posted by: Matt | Dec 5, 2007 1:06:33 PM


  17. "...There’s never been a civilization that has rewritten what marriage and family means and survived."

    2000 years ago men were allowed to have multiple wives. That part of marriage had been "rewritten" and civilization didn't fall apart.

    Uhmm, what about this country's no-fault divorce laws in the past 30 years? That alone has certainly rewritten what marriage and family means and society hasn't civilization hasn't yet collapses. The republicans' most beloved president (Reagan) himself had been divorced and remarried.

    Posted by: Patrick | Dec 5, 2007 1:08:13 PM


  18. "There’s never been a civilization that has rewritten what marriage and family means and survived."

    BULLSHIT. The definition of "marriage" has evolved over many centuries. Quite frankly, the definition of marriage that we have today is distinctly different from "biblical" times - that's when it was largely about property and commerce - and it is even different than what our grandparents believed.

    Until the mid-20th century in this country women we more or less considered the property of their husbands. Today most heterosexual couples (at least those whose minds aren't polluted with Christian fundamentalist crap) see themselves as partners in marriage. Most married couples have to work in order to survive, which is a great change in marriage from 50 years ago when most women stayed at home and the only income was earned by the husband.

    So, Huckabee's comments are BULLSHIT on their face.

    Here's the deal: Huckabee has a right to marry the woman of his choice. He has a right to protect his family. There are laws that protect his family, laws that protect his wife from having to testify against him in court, laws that protect his right to made medical decisions for his wife when/if she is incapacitated, laws that grant survival Social Security benefits to his wife when he dies, etc.

    I could go on almost ad finitum detailing the rights that come with marriage, almost all of which are denied to same-sex couples. Huckabee thinks that power of attorney agreements are the solution, but that too is crap. They can be challenged in court and usually courts are more sympathetic to the birth family than they are to a surviving same-sex partner.

    I can only imagine how horrified Huckabee would be if his marriage was given the same short shrift that same-sex couples receive.

    Notice that he didn't say a damn word about the skyrocketing rates of divorce between heterosexual couples. It is an epidemic, and today a marriage has less than a 50% chance that it will survive for longer than five years. If Huckabee is concerned about marriage, that is where he should start.

    All human beings have an unalienable right to self-determination, which includes the right to marry the partner of their choice. (Of course, not every government respects this right but that doesn't change the fact that we all have it.) As Americans we are supposed to be entitled to the "pursuit of happiness" - at least according to our Declaration of Independence.

    No one has a right to impose their own morals or religion on anyone else. And that is exactly what the anti-gay crowd is trying to do. And that, my friends, is just plain un-American.

    Posted by: Jonathon | Dec 5, 2007 1:19:46 PM


  19. What Huckabee and many other Straights are overlooking is this very DISCUSSION we gays are having with increasing frequency- thanks to Towleroad and many other new/blogs- gays not only in the US but Worldwide for the first time in history are talking En MASSE and putting our heads together and we are only getting started and becoming more empowerd Discussion by Discussion.

    Posted by: alanontowleroad | Dec 5, 2007 1:27:48 PM


  20. I am certainly not happy with every Democratic candidates' stance on gay marriage, but I can without hesitation say i cannot fucking stand the Republican field running for President. WTF is wring with these people?

    Huck also doesn't believe in evolution, reason being: he hasn't evolved.

    Posted by: Marco | Dec 5, 2007 1:30:51 PM


  21. Right on, Jonathon. Very well said.

    If any presidential candidate had the balls and the integrity to just state the basic facts like you just did, I'd fucking wet myself with glee.

    My underpants are, sadly, dry.

    Posted by: Brian | Dec 5, 2007 1:34:00 PM


  22. as if I needed another reason not to vote for him....

    Posted by: Andrew | Dec 5, 2007 1:34:28 PM


  23. Any gay person that votes for this Nazi asshole should have the shit beat out of them.

    Posted by: Bobby | Dec 5, 2007 1:35:01 PM


  24. I love this idea that the definition of family (a male led, mother/father/children group, each seperate from other units) is set in stone and has never changed. A cursory glance at history shatters this idea.

    Posted by: wetcnt | Dec 5, 2007 1:40:36 PM


  25. Having been a resident of the extremely scary state of Arkansas while Huckabee was govenor, I can say he's a complete idiot.

    He lived in a double-wide trailer behind the governor's mansion during renovations. Does THAT tell you anything about this guy?

    How could anyone take this guy seriously? He was a joke to his own constituents when I was in grad school there and he's an even bigger joke now.

    The Republican field of candidates is very encouraging to me. There isn't one electable person among them. So the democrats have a pretty good chance next year.

    Hillary Clinton,Barack Obama,John Edwards et al won't be endorsing gay marriage any time soon either, but at least we can hope. With the Republicans there is no hope.

    Posted by: jake | Dec 5, 2007 1:44:55 PM


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