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  1. Bosie says

    Whow she has something here…now lets see how the media and those sexists beasts will attack her…

    The american people though we have good intentions we are alittle slow and willign to go with anyone who offers “words” So if this is what it takes …go for it Hillary!

  2. Gregg says

    You’d think this should be a John McCain ad, but then you see her. Just because you think you are tested doesn’t mean you have passed the test, lady. God, she is so despicable and revolting that she thinks her only chance is to use the politics of fear right out of the Bush/Rove playbook.

  3. davey says

    Great ad, great woman. I agree totally with Ambinder, it’s taken her a long time to get something like this out there. Shows exactly why she is better and more prepared than anyone to be commander in chief. Never count a Clinton out. Hillary ’08!

  4. Landis says

    I think its funny that people still think Obama can beat McCain. He is going to lose the vote in a toe-to-toe fight with McCain. He is too liberal, too young, too fluffy, not good for security.

    Like the Nytimes article said, Republicans attack Hillary because she is formidable. Its time that progressives elect a strongman (or a strongwoman – you get the idea) to defend our values. Hillary is one of them.

  5. GM says

    Uh – Landis, what’s your evidence for the assertion in your first paragraph? To date, all polling has shown just the opposite.

    And frankly when I see Hillary, I don’t see tough. Sorry. How many times has she cried on camera now? I reject this criterion out of hand, but more importantly I reject how you’ve applied it here.

  6. Derrick from Philly says

    I was just going to say that, as an Obama supporter, this ad doesn’t bother me; it doesn’t attack Obama directly. The ad simply promotes Hillary Clinton. But some of y’all just want to fight no matter what–even when there is nothing to fight about.

    LANDIS, what the hell are you going to do when Obama wins the nomination? Vote Republican? I thought so.

  7. says

    This isn’t the politics of fear, it is the politics of reality… Obama seems too indecisive to make tough decision. He is a brilliant speaker, but unimpressive during press conferences and debates that require quick thinking.

    People can decide whether or not they think the politics of hope will protect Americans from dirty bombs in our cities, international crises, and worse.

    Obama’s supporters seem to think that EVERYONE is inspired by him. Well, a majority of Americans really aren’t. A lot of us see him as an empty suit who can’t even give an original speech. The idea of Obama in the White House during a serious situation scares me.

  8. says

    Again, I voted for Hillary, but I see no reason to doubt Barack’s abilities. Just to play devil’s advocate: Would you rather see Hillary in charge of our weaponry knowing she has in the past made at least one big-time, war-related decision purely based on her future presidential hopes (sorry, love her, but she voted to authorize the war strictly for that reason and that reason alone)? Isn’t she more likely to wag the dog? I don’t believe that strongly; I would trust her. But I think it’s a joke to doubt Barack’s intelligence and decision-making ability based on the fact that HE TALKS GOOD. What’s so negative about having a candidate, or a president, who is capable of making eloquent speeches as long as he or she can back it up with results? And don’t tell me Barack is all words—Google him once and you’ll find the many things he’s accomplished with his life in and out of politics.

    When anti-Obamans say “he’s an empty suit!” “you’re drinking the Kool-Aid!” “words! words! words!” it’s IDENTICAL to when the right-wingers and frightened non-right-wingers would bitterly tell all of us lefties quote “you don’t know what you’re tallllllking about!” in response to our objections to the war.

  9. davey says

    I agree with Landis, Obama will not beat McCain EVER, polls mean nothing and can change at the drop of a hat. If the Democrats make the mistake of nominating Obama, which knowing our track record of stupid and idiotic moves might happen, the republicans are going to beat Obama into the ground on EVERY issue. To the person who brought up about Hill crying, who cares? Many politicians have cried in public from Mitt Romney to Bush Senior. Happy Friday all!

  10. jimmyboyo says

    Testing=

    -$23,000,000 debt for her campaign

    -unpad campaign bills going back to iowa

    -allowed the Clinton name and connections to be conquered by a little known Senator

    -had no blan B after super tuesday

    tried, tested, vetted = FAILED to manage a campaign which is far far far smaller than the US govt.

    Hopefuly she will allow this soul wrenching defeat to motivate her to become the next liberal stalwart/lion of the senate. Losing will free her from the lobysist she enslavd herself to to fuel her presidential ambitions.

  11. Michael says

    “Shows exactly why she is better and more prepared than anyone to be commander in chief.”

    How, exactly, does this ad show whe is better and more prepared? It shows nothing of the sort. It an ad designed to frighten, not inform.

  12. jimmyboyo says

    PS

    The ad is a great ad.

    Davey said “it’s taken her a long time to get something like this out there. Shows exactly why she is better and more prepared than anyone to be commander in chief”

    Uhmmmm just the opposite. To take soooooooooooooooo long to finaly put out a great ad shows that she is not ready to lead.

    We can’t wait for her to react to things. She should have put ads like this one out there from the start. To take so long to do so just shows she is not the one in 08.

  13. says

    Take this with the the humor it is intended:

    Hillary is up at 3 am because she is trying to find out why Bill is not in bed with here….where is he???…mmmm…maybe he is in the Oval office…with…?!?

    Chip Arndt

  14. ca joe says

    cynical.

    if she runs the country like she has ran her campaign and the healthcare initiative, we all are in big trouble.

    we need to leave fear behind…BTW, it is not inspiring.

  15. jeff says

    Saying that Hillary is more electable than Barack is completely ignorant. A lot of people, for some reason or another, DESPISE the Clintons. Abhor them. Plenty of left-leaning women resent Hill so much that I have heard more than one tell me they would vote Republican if she’s the nominee. People do not trust her motives, and I am finding it difficult to find any voices that have such a visceral hatred of Barack. He may not be “experienced” (but who the fuck is for President?!?) but he doesn’t offend large swaths of Democrats.

  16. David R. says

    That’s right Jeff, and I’ve heard of Repubs who are so disgusted with their party and inspired by Obama that they’ll vote for him–but never a Clinton.

  17. Robert says

    Jeff: “…but he doesn’t offend large swaths of Democrats.”

    Speak for yourself. There are many Democrats who are very much offended by Obama. TalkLeft.com is a good place to start to see what I mean.

  18. Bojo says

    Wasn’t just this past weekend that the talking heads in Washington suggested she start using scare tactics to win….. D~mn if she didn’t waste any time. She’s not showing effective leadership and until she does, she doesn’t stand a chance.

  19. BryanD says

    She makes sense. She really does know the world leaders far better than Obama…and hasn’t b*llshitted them the way McCain has…the ad doesn’t say anything about anyone being attacked, it simply says that there’s something important going on in the world.

    Go, Hillary!

  20. Robert says

    Dan:

    That’s certainly not what this ad this doing. She has been consistent with her message on national security, and it has not been the main focus of her campaign. She is hardly fearmongering. To ignore completely the global issue of terrorism is naive and unfeasible: it must be addressed in an intelligent and thoughtful manner without playing the fear card. And I think that is precisely what she has done.

    Obama, on the other hand, has used the fear tactic several times. He has this message for the general primary electorate: you’d better vote for me or lose to McCain. He has this message for current Congress members: as superdelegate you’d better vote for me or you’ll have challengers in the election.

  21. rudy says

    To review my thinking process, HRC could not manage: (1) to pass the DC bar (considered “easy”) the first time; (2) her marriage (even if you agree with her decision to let Bill have girlfriends, he violated the condition to keep it out of the press and it debilitated the White House); (3) the Rose Firm billing records (which mysteriously disappeared and then reappeared in her private quarters with obvious omissions); (4) cattle futures trading (an obvious pay-off since all trades were pooled and the profitable trades assigned to her after the fact); (5) health care reform (the sole policy item clearly assigned to her turned into a debacle by every measure, particularly if one supported her efforts); (6) a presidential campaign (she blew through $120m and a national 27-30 point lead and is behind in delegate count); (7) to follow the rules that Billary themselves established (HRC campaigned in Florida and Michigan and wants their delegations seated at the convention, despite violating several Democratic Party rules); (8) to vote consistently (she voted for it [fill in the blank, e.g., the war in Iraq] before she voted against it); (9) her campaign staff (filled with bickering and led by an incompetent who is rumoured to have gotten the job due to a personal relationship, despite having no credentials); (10) to formulate a back-up plan (when she lost 12 primaries/caucuses in a row); (11) to create some original themes and ads (stealing Obama’s change theme and the pathetic 1970s style ad, supra); (12) to establish a working relationship with the military (the Commander in Chief must work with the military, not against them (had Billary established a working relationship prior to trying to reverse long-standing policy [e.g., gays in the military], it would not have resulted in the capitulation that is DADT). In sum I think that HRC is not capable of managing her own life, therefore, I do not want her having any ability to affect mine, because I cannot trust that she will actually deliver positive results.

  22. Dan says

    Get a clue, Robert. Ads like this have nothing to do with policy and everything to do with playing with our basest emotions. She’s been yelling that she’s the most experienced candidate for the past year and it hasn’t gotten her anywhere.

    She’s getting desperate, so now she’s playing on every parents worse fear. Let’s forget rational discussion about how to handle the situation in the middle east… WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO ABOUT YOUR CHILDREN!!!

  23. Sean says

    “Now one of Clinton’s laws of politics is this: If one candidate’s trying to scare you and the other one’s trying to get you to think, if one candidate’s appealing to your fears and the other one’s appealing to your hopes, you better vote for the person who wants you to think and hope.”

    -Bill Clinton, 2004

  24. Cadence says

    The fact that it’s taken her 13 months to send out this message is exactly why she shouldn’t be presidnt. Among the mistakes of this campaign, assuming she had it in the bag, spendin too much money on unecessary things, not attacking Obama on the issues, and resulting to attacks based on biases. None of that screams leader to me. A leader would have had a tighter riegn on her campaign, and would have stood on her merits to win voters.

  25. Jimmyboyo says

    Bill clinton responds to ad and endorses Obama

    http://dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/2/29/121832/712/510/466311

    “Now, one of Clinton’s laws of politics is this. If one candidate is trying to scare you and the other one is try get you to think, if one candidate is appealing to your fears and the other one is appealing to your hopes, you better vote for the person who wants you to think and hope. ”

    That was 2004 Bill Clinton so by what he said then, he is endorsing Obama for president

  26. Robert says

    Dan, emotions are involved in our choices of candidates more than you seem to realize. We all, whether conservative or liberal, make our choices based on significant influence from emotions (even if we’re not consciously aware of it).

    While the invocation of children is ridiculous, every politician does it. So I don’t overly fault her for it.

    And to say that her reliance on experience hasn’t gotten her anywhere is equally ridiculous. Almost 50% of the Democrats would beg to differ. You seem to forget, in your trash-talking of Hillary, that she has a base of supporters that is certainly NOT insignificant.

  27. 24play says

    Oh, look. Who’s that over there endorsing Barack Obama? Is it? Could it be? Why, yes, IS Senator Jay Rockefeller, chairman of teh Senate Intelligence Committee. Let’s listen in for just a moment:

    “As Chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, I am all too aware that the threats we face are unconventional. They are sophisticated. They are constantly changing and adapting. And they are very serious. What matters most in the Oval Office is sound judgment and decisive action. It’s about getting it right on crucial national security questions the first time – and every time.”

    “The indisputable fact is Barack Obama was right about Iraq when many of us were wrong. It was a tough call and the single greatest national security question, and mistake, of our time. Today, we remain a country at war, and countless mistakes over the last six and a half years have made us less safe. The stakes have never been higher, and that is why we must take a stand.”

    SNAP! Well-timed and well-played, Obama campaign.

    [quotations stolen from http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/

  28. 24play says

    Oh, look. Who’s that over there endorsing Barack Obama? Is it? Could it be? Why, yes, IS Senator Jay Rockefeller, chairman of teh Senate Intelligence Committee. Let’s listen in for just a moment:

    “As Chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, I am all too aware that the threats we face are unconventional. They are sophisticated. They are constantly changing and adapting. And they are very serious. What matters most in the Oval Office is sound judgment and decisive action. It’s about getting it right on crucial national security questions the first time – and every time.”

    “The indisputable fact is Barack Obama was right about Iraq when many of us were wrong. It was a tough call and the single greatest national security question, and mistake, of our time. Today, we remain a country at war, and countless mistakes over the last six and a half years have made us less safe. The stakes have never been higher, and that is why we must take a stand.”

    SNAP! Well-timed and well-played, Obama campaign.

    [quotations stolen from http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/

  29. Bubba says

    FEAR TACTICS-
    The Republicans have jammed fear down our throats for 8 years, it is why we are at war. It is why Obama is willing to go into Pakistan (if Pakistan won’t do it themselves) without permission to get rid of Al Qaida. It is the reason we have The Patriot Act.

    This message says something different to me.

    History:
    When 9-11 happened, Bush didn’t and couldn’t respond right away. When Katrina happened he waited days before making a comment or visiting.

    I FEAR Bush’s lack of response – lack of concern.

    Present:
    On Super Tuesday, when tornados were hitting the midwest, Clinton responded in her speeches that SAME night. Clinton thanked the voters for battling the storm and gave understanding and sympathy to those who lost homes and loved ones. It took until Wednesday for Obama to notice.

    When the motorcycle driver in Clinton’s motorcade was killed, Clinton stopped campaigning right away to be with his family.

    ———————

    It isn’t fear that makes me want to know who is answering that call at 3 am. It’s compassion and the belief that America deserves better.

    Have a Heart – Clinton ’08

  30. Derrick from Philly says

    24 PLAY, are you serious?

    Jay Rockefeller, a moderate Democrat from a socially conservative state. Oh, my. The momentum is definitely with Obama. Now, if we get old Robert KKK Byrd’s endorsement, Confederate troops will be rolling in their graves.

  31. 24play says

    San Francisco? Very pretty, but I can’t bear the weather. I refuse to dress for more than two climates per day.

    But put the candy in the pocket of your winter coat. Maybe we’ll cross paths at one of the inauguration balls in DC in January and you can give it to me then.

  32. TimeForALady says

    Barack would answer the phone
    figuring it was one of those
    big-boobed gurls wanting to
    “chat” or the dude calling back
    to ask why he hasn’t picked up
    his pizza.

    McCain would answer and think it
    was his captors finally tracking
    him down again.

    Hilary would answer the phone
    do the right thing as well as
    the right thing.

    People, Hilary has already met
    and established a relationship
    with most of the leaders of the
    free and not-free world. She’s
    a previous first lady with one of
    the best presidents we’ve had in
    40 years, she’s a two-term senator, and *actually* has a plan
    to keep *all* our sorry asses
    in good health.
    The fear they say she is mongering is a very real one and Barack while being someone with great potential, isn’t ready for
    prime time.

  33. christopher says

    not sure if it has been said, but the latest obama or clinton versus mccain polls are really quite meaningless.

    obama has only beaten clinton through the added support of both independents and republicans who have been able to vote in the open democratic primaries and caucuses. if you actually research the actual democratic party votes, registered members clinton is ahead of obama by about 1.5 million votes. very interesting.

    if obama is the nominee you will see a steady decline against mccain. why? obama will easily lose the republicans and independents. mccain will get them. the campaign between clinton and obama doesn’t provide much room for disagreement over the actual democratic issues. the differences between mcccain and obama are many and disparate.

    obama is way liberal. once people understand what a liberal he is, the independents and republicans will surely swing to mccain. moreover as the media picks up on actually scrutinizing obama he will continue to sink and ultimately struggle.

  34. Landis says

    GM, Derrick from Philly:

    1) Um, I am a Canadian Liberal. Enuff said.

    2) Do you honestly think the general American public is going to vote for one of the most liberal Senators? Please – reality check. http://nj.nationaljournal.com/voteratings/

    3) McCain leads Obama on the most important issue for Americans – security.
    http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601070&sid=aHNnSv_JuUBw&refer=home

    4) No one called out Obama on his contradictions because of his race so far. But don’t worry, the vast right wing conspiracy (which does exist) will do it for you.

    5) The fight for votes are always, always going to be the fight for the middle. You have to ask yourselves – why does Hillary triangulate? (to target the republican votes) Does Obama? Why do you think all these conservative pundits are attacking McCain? McCain is targeting the independents and liberals space, and Dems should therefore target the conservative space.

    You do know that Obama is being crowned by the conservatives (because he is beatable by McCain) and the liberals (because they romanticize about Obama), right? In a year’s time, I am going to feel sorry for you guys because President McCain will appoint a conservative Supreme Court Justice, and you and your friends and your LGBT family are going to be royally fcuked. But hey, I’m just a Canadian doing business in US. US’s follies will not reach Canada as long as we have oil. And lots of water.

  35. 24play says

    Let me get this straight, Christopher:

    Independents who chose liberal Obama over slightly less liberal Clinton in the primaries will all line up to vote for moderate conservative McCain over Obama in November.

    Interesting conclusion…. Try again.

  36. jimmyboyo says

    A huge chunk of the indie vote are catholics who trend economicaly liberal and socialy consrvative.

    McCain’s “whore of babylon” televangelist problem today has nixed those indies from ever voting McCain. He is toast and he hasn’t even been crowned at the repub convention yet.

  37. The Other Jordan says

    The double-standard here is astonishing. If this were a Republican ad, there wouldn’t be any ambivalence. The commentary certainly wouldn’t end on a question of whether or not it was effective. It would be a long screed against the “politics of fear” and how evil Republicans are.

    Just astonishing.

  38. Landis says

    24Play:

    Logic of American Independents –
    If I am voting Democrats, I would vote for Obama because I like him.

    If I am voting Repulican, I would vote for McCain because I like him.

    If I am choosing between Obama and McCain for President, I am picking one that can do the job.

  39. Sean says

    This is yet another nail in Hillary’s coffin. The advertisement looks like a Brinks Security Ad, not a presidential campaign. It has neither the agitprop candor of a “Daisy” ad nor the “gotcha!” finger pointing of the opponent’s hypocrisy like the Willie Horton ad.

    The ad fails on so many levels. If it were a high school essay, it would get a C- because the thesis statement is unclear and does not reaffirm itself through the points the commercial tries to make.

    The Daisy Ad was brilliant because it was shocking – it actually caused people to suddenly fear Goldwater, even though we now know in hindsight he’d hardly have acted worse given LBJ’s hawkish administration. This commercial makes you go “huh?” because we’re unsure it implies he won’t be picking up the phone at all, or he’ll be picking up the phone and just sit there unable to react, or if he’ll be leading us down a path where the phone will have to ring in the first place… if anything, it’s foolish and stupid, but stylistically it will make many Democratic voters shrug or roll their eyes. The people who might react positively to this commercial, old people, hawkish Democrats, soccer moms, they all represent her base support anyway.

    I can imagine anyone under the age of 35 laughing it off simply for its early 90’s, corded phone, “Unsolved Mysteries” aesthetics.

  40. MCnNYC says

    Andy you are just RIDICULOUS trying to IMPLY that Hilary’s ad is a FEAR ad by including these two other ads from the past.

    You are the one who is drinking the KOOL AID and a propagandist. this ad does not have the same scare tactic with either the horrific images or voice.

    MAN who kicked you in the balls?

  41. 24play says

    MC,

    Virtually every online media outlet that covered Hill’s telephone ad also referenced at least one of the LBJ and Mondale ads. Most linked to or embedded both.

  42. Marc says

    God I’m really getting sick of this cunt. She might as well switch parties with this fearmongering crap. She’s getting almost as annoying as that Micheal Bedwell asshole.

  43. Realist says

    Enough with the ascertion that to point out something that’s very scary, Obama as President, is a fear tactic. And to point out that there are people who want to kill us and eliminate us from planet earth as a fear tactic. Well, if telling the TRUTH is equated as a fear tactic, I would argue that to claim that is a political campaign tactic. Get your heads out of the sand. And hey, Bush isn’t running for re-election. How about some substance from your man Obama that doesn’t reference Bush? It ain’t there. But there is substance in his Rezko relationship/scandal and that will win it for McCain!!! Thank you your blind fools who support Obama!!!!

  44. Farawayboy says

    Well from an outsider point of view( way downuder) i can never understand the American Politics. you do’t have the best candidates standing for Presient. You have the people standing who have the most Financial well off friends. Its all about money. How many movie stars have influential friends or money. Take a look on the streets and some of the skills, Grafiti artists, Buskers, Street actors. Some very good talent on the streets, right, but they didnt have the silver spoon or someone to prop them up with buckets of money. Even the hoods have better war skills than some of the Generals. In Australia we tend to know pretty much of what goes on in every part of our country. Maybe a small population helps this but we also get a good learning of what else happens out in the world. You also have a more opportunity for participation if you want to strive hard ( and can do it without all the extravigent money thrown around as in the USA). Jeez, I even carried the Olympic Torch for the Sydney 2000 games. I don’t mind Hillary and I think Obama is a bit of a loud Yuppie. At least she has mother instincts, which protects all walks of life on our planet daily. Anyone (with some mony)can head off and get a smart suit and a sharp adviser. Any way good luck to all and we will be watching becasue your decision affects the rest of the world! (Not that we have the correct people as Prime Ministers here sometimes too)

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