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Towleroad Guide to the Tube #249

HE'S BACK: Ralph Nader announced his candidacy for president in 2008 on Sunday's Meet the Press.

BILL KRISTOL: NYT columnist recommends Hillary use "the politics of fear" to puncture the euphoria surrounding the Obama campaign.

NATHAN LANE: His appearance on Friday's Late Night with Conan O'Brien.

R.E.M.: Their new single "Supernatural Superserious".

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  1. Bill Kristol is given airtime why?

    Posted by: Iko | Feb 25, 2008 7:35:42 PM


  2. Ralph Nader lives in a one-bedroom apartment and buys his clothes from a catalog. Under those circumstances, he's right that whether there's a Republican and Democratic President makes little difference.

    The rest of us are willing to work on incremental change.

    I can't honestly say I wish him well in his selfish attempt to spoil another potential democratic victory.

    If you vote for Nader you get what you deserve

    Posted by: JJ | Feb 25, 2008 7:43:30 PM


  3. Yes Ralph the ego has landed. You are responsible, along with the others, Gore for running away from Clinton, Clinton for not keeping his zipper shut, Bush from stealing the election, the GOP for the Supreme Court, The Supreme Court for their rape of the constitution. The American people for not getting of their fat asses to vote. I could go on but dinner will get cold.

    Posted by: patrick nyc | Feb 25, 2008 8:11:09 PM


  4. I sincerely hope someone shoots Ralph Nader between now and November.

    Posted by: peterparker | Feb 25, 2008 8:31:16 PM


  5. Yes, Ralph, blinded by ego.

    Bill Kristol makes my skin crawl even before he opens his mouth; Nathan Lane, on the other hand, makes me almost wet myself, in a good way.

    Posted by: Ernie | Feb 25, 2008 8:52:15 PM


  6. I'm not voting for Nader, but his whole point is breaking the continued chain of corporatism in the American political system. Writing him off as an egomaniac or a loon is missing the point. He has a point to make, and he is indeed making it!

    Posted by: gay as life | Feb 25, 2008 9:52:06 PM


  7. Yeah, Gay as Life, and he's also done a great job of fucking up Democrats from getting elected. There's a big difference between principled stands and realism. I can only hope that progressive voters have finally realized the damage he's inflicted on this country; otherwise I sincerely agree with PeterParker.

    Posted by: Paul R | Feb 26, 2008 12:41:13 AM


  8. back in the '70s nader had some relevance: now he is a dried up carapace, an empty shell of a man. the winds should blow him into smithereens. this egomaniacal son of a bitch has caused more damage to this country than whatever good he did and might have done. "unsafe at any speed", indeed.

    Posted by: nic | Feb 26, 2008 2:40:07 AM


  9. The ham-fisted reaction of Democrats to Nader, the Greens and other political groups to the left of the right-centrist Democrats are a signal that the radicalization of American politics is gathering strength. The conservative Democrats are terrified of a break to the left. Too bad. The polarization and radicalization of American politics is already ripping into Republican strength and unity. The Democrats turn will come after the election and a return to their version of ‘politics as usual’: more war, a deepening economic crisis and the continued dismissal of our agenda.

    That’s why the splintering and political demise of the centrist and right wing politics of both parties is, at this point, a given. Their politics are far to the right of their constituents. The Democrats, like the Republicans, are prowar, support anti-constitutional laws like the Paytriot act, union busting measures like NAFTA, tax cuts for the rich, welfare cuts for the poor and exporting jobs. These two right wing parties are equally responsible for the economic problems we face. After NAFTA devastated the Mexican and Central American economies both the Democrats and Republicans turn a cold shoulder to immigrant and imported workers. Their bipartisan deregulation laws have unleashed corporate tigers who feed on the American public.

    The thoroughly naive people who vote for them get will what they deserve. For Stonehead Democrats it’ll be Bush Light with more lying campaign promises followed by the inevitable stab in the back. For Loghead Republicans it’ll be Bush Stout and fewer lies because, unlike the Democrats, Republicans are open about their bigotry. No stab in the back from Republicans, just a warning shot to the forehead. The catch is that smart people, those who vote against bigotry, war and economic disaster or just boycott the idea of a lesser evil will get the same rations as the sheeple.

    The days when an endless string of lesser evil candidates could make promises and then ignore them are nearly over. It’s dead wrong to promote voting for our enemies or to think they’ll keep campaign promises. Under Clinton we got DOMA and DADT and since their election victory in 2006 the Democrats have refused to repeal them and tossed ENDA and the Matthew Shepard Hate Crimes bill into the toilet.

    It’s naive to think they won’t do the same after this election. Unless of course you believe in campaign promises. Seven years olds can be forgiven if they believe politicians, divorce lawyers, priests, used car sellers and shopping mall Santa’s. The rest of us have no excuse.

    We can push back by ramping up our criticism and building a militant mass movement to push for our agenda. That will put the fakes in the Democratic party on the spot and speed up their political demise.

    A Republican is a baboon in a people suit with a totalitarian christian attached at the thigh. A Democrat is a Republican in Drag.

    Posted by: Bill Perdue, RainbowRED | Feb 26, 2008 2:57:33 AM


  10. @BILL PERDUE: I'm not a conservative Democrat. Both of the remaining Democratic candidates are much too conservative for my taste. However it is glaringly obvious to me that a true liberal candidate stands no chance of getting elected any time soon, not because of the polarization of politics but because the American public as a whole is a socially conservative, militarily aggressive, financially greedy bunch. I recognize that while I might love for someone like Dennis Kucinich to be elected President of the United States of America, the vast majority of the country would never support him. They might, however, support a more centrist Democrat like Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, or John Edwards. So when it comes time to choose between a Republican, a Democrat or a progressive, liberal third party candidate, I recognize that voting for the third party candidate simply empowers the Republicans by taking votes away from the more palatable Democrats. Being idealistic has its place. So does being realistic.

    Posted by: peterparker | Feb 26, 2008 3:36:30 AM


  11. BILL PERDUE,

    when i was a younger man, i might have supported your pie-in-the-sky philosophy, but let's face it, you and nader are only a drag on common sense progress.

    tell me, when you inveigh against the Dems, equating them with the repugs, what solution are you proffering? it seems to me that you and nader are cut from the same cloth. you both offer criticism and invective to no avail. your and his kind of rhetoric serves only to muddy the waters.

    i could suffer you under other circumstances, but what is at hand is much too important. marxism can wait. right now, my gaze is fixed on the supreme court and what effect the next president will have on it. if that doesn't matter to you, why should what you say matter to me or any other self-respecting queer?

    nader no longer deserves respect. i hope you will reconsider your path. i think an old dog CAN learn new tricks.

    Posted by: nic | Feb 26, 2008 7:27:24 AM


  12. PETERPARKER,

    did you know that according to senate voting records obama is ranked the most liberal, and hence, above kucinich, dodd, hillary, biden, and all others?

    what that portends for the general election, i don't know.

    Posted by: nic | Feb 26, 2008 7:43:44 AM


  13. BILL PERDUE, there may be some truths in what you say, but it's glaringly obvious you do not understand the differences among all candidates and parties.

    I've heard the "A Democrat is just Republican-lite" for far too many years. That philosophy-parroting is a complete and total lie. There may be too many similarities between the Democrat and Republican candidates for my liking, but there's no way an intelligent and observant citizen - especially a gay man - can come to that conclusion without some serious denial of reality.

    Nader is a cheap dirt-bag who has done nothing else but reinforce the upcoming generation's sense of entitlement while getting none of the important facts of his message across.

    You can clap your hands all you want if you believe in him, but don't get all pissy when people don't follow you to Neverneverland.

    Posted by: Rey | Feb 26, 2008 8:55:17 AM


  14. Bill Kristol called it!! Hillary's camp released photos of Obama in Africa wearing a head wrap and sash, trying to stir fear about his heritage! Damned if the man didn't call it !

    Posted by: soulbrotha | Feb 26, 2008 9:14:00 AM


  15. Rey - I'm not a supporter of Nader. He and the greens lack a comprehensive program to end the resource wars, of which Iraq is only one front, and to put a stop of bigotry and racism. He has no plan for fundamental changes in the economy including confiscatory taxes on the rich, socialized medicine, guaranteed good housing, education and wages and working conditions. Nader’s politics are centrist although most of what he has to say is better that the Democrats or Republicans.

    You on the other hand are a Democrat, a supporter of the party that gave us DOMA and DADT, a supporter or their attacks on civil rights and civil liberties, a supporter of the war and attacks on the standard of living of working people. So you’re the one we’ll to thank for at least four more years of Bush Lite, Clinton or Obama, or Bush Stout, Huckabee or McCain. At some point after the election, as the long suffering American people realize that there’s no end in sight to the resource wars , a plummeting standard of living and to bigotry, racism and misogyny all hell will break loose. Your party will begin to splinter and shatter just as the Republicans are doing now.

    We’ll patiently wait for that and then welcome refugees from your party who are fed up and finally ready to leave their political closets and come out swinging. But somehow I don’t think you’ll be in that group. You’ll still be begging for crumbs.

    Peter Parker – by supporting the party of war, economic chaos and bigotry you become a conservative Democrat. Don’t delude yourself with impractical ideas about reforming the Democrats . If the AFL-CIO, the owners of considerable clout haven’t been able to do it you and HRC don’t have a chance in hell. And don’t blame us if we accurately describe your party, its role in politics and the people who support it.

    Posted by: Bill Perdue, RainbowRED | Feb 26, 2008 9:05:46 PM


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