Gambian President Announces Plans to Behead All Gays

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Gambian President Yahya Jammeh yesterday issued a stern warning to gays and those who befriend them:

“Gambian President Yahya Jammeh says he will ‘cut off the head’ of any homosexual caught in his country. Addressing supporters at the end of his meet the farmers tour Sunday, Jammeh also ordered any hotel or motel housing homosexuals to close down, adding that owners of such facilities would also be in trouble. He said the Gambia was a country of believers, indicating that no sinful and immoral act as homosexual would be tolerated in the country. He warned all homosexuals in the country to leave, noting that a legislation ‘stricter than those in Iran’ concerning the vice would be introduced soon.”

In February, it was reported that gays were fleeing to The Gambia from surrounding Senegal, to avoid persecution from that government.

Comments

  1. Jimmyboyo says

    “The US Congress has announced that Gambia is to be removed from a key development fund, through which most of Washington’s foreign aid is channelled, reacting to the severe setbacks for democracy and human rights in the country. Gambia was only made eligible to the fund in November and has yet to receive funds.

    The US Congress was advised by the board of the Millennium Challenge Corporation (MCC) that Gambia should not receive grants from the fund, as the country no longer qualified by the MCC’s criteria. The Fund has “documented evidence of growing human rights abuses, increased restrictions on political rights, civil liberties and press freedom, as well as deteriorating economic policies and anti-corruption efforts,” the US Congress was informed.

    Thus, authorities in Gambia were not complying with two of the MCC’s main criteria for receiving US development funds; “political rights and trade policy,” according to the fund. Therefore, “the MCC Board of Directors decided to suspend Gambia’s eligibility for MCA assistance,” according to the US Congress. Gambian authorities have formally been notified of this suspension ”

    Well, lets hear it for the dem controlled congress!!!!! Good work

    This nut is just digging the hole bigger on NEVER ever getting US aid
    though pat robertson would love to buy a vacation home there.

  2. Christopher says

    Fucking Africa. Will that continent ever get its act together and join the rest of the human race? When your policies make Iran look enlightened, you are seriously fucked up.

  3. Jimmyboyo says

    Christopher

    Gambia is one country out of a GIANT continent.

    Gambia does not equal Africa.

    The man is a fool, no need to blame all of Africa for his foolishness.

    It also doesn’t help that many US politicians and big wigs uphold such via their biz dealings.

    Pat Robertson helped finance Zaire and other corrupt governments with his kick backs on some blood diamond mines he owned. Heck, Pat robertson got busted for only shipping 2 planes of aid to africa out of 40 that he claimed were all aid. The other 38 turned out to be mining equipment.

    McCain’s wife helped uphold the Sudanese genocide via her biz dealings in Sudan which she has been forced (due to the campaign) to cut.

    Gambia is not africa. Many problems in Africa are not there because the US or at least US citizens didn’t have any hand in causing them.

  4. says

    That guy should be beheaded himself for wearing that ridiculous hat.

    And Jimmyboyo is right. Gambia is not Africa… we need to stop thinking of the whole continent as one single entity.

  5. Alex says

    To add to Jimmyboyo’s comments, I would like to point out that South Africa has *constitutional protection* of nondiscrimination on the basis of sexual orientation. We don’t even have an Employment nondiscrimination law in the US. The visionaries of modern South Africa, people like Mandela and Tutu, are so far ahead of us it isnt even funny. The transition to majority rule was amazing – and the notion of the Truth and Reconciliation commission was brilliant and helped defuse and prevent violent reprisals against the former minority rulers. Was it perfect ? No, of course not – but the outcome was better than most would have predicted.

  6. Jimmyboyo says

    Yepp milkman

    Its like come on people (like christopher)

    Africa is made up of vastly different countries.

    Some are animist (pagan) , some muslim, some die hard catholic. Some are democracies while some aren’t. Many different languages and cultures.

    Heck It would be like saying there is no difference between Spain and England. Both on the same continent but both totaly different.

    Africa is 3 times the size of europe

    europe has an area of 10,180,000 km2
    africa has an area of 30,221,532 km2 (wiki is my friend)

    Ireland forbids abortion for any reason yet the rest of europe doesn’t

    Gambia wants to behead gays (HORRID) does not mean all of africa does.

    OY

    The area is 3 times larger than europe. Each country is vastly different from the others.

    Sorry for getting on my soap box

    :-)

  7. Zeke says

    CHRISTOPHER, I’d like to remind you that South Africa, another country on the African continent, is a country where the legal regognition of GLBT individuals and couples is DECADES ahead of those in the US.

  8. Derrick from Philly says

    There have been homosexuals in Africa since the beginning of sex. It’s the concept and rise of a “gay subculture” that has made African homosexuals the scapegoats and targets for hate and violence.

    CHRISTOPHER,
    Africa will “join the rest of the human race” (on the issue of gay civil rights) right after Eastern Europe and Russia. And what about South Africa: the only country to ban discrimination against gay people in its national constitution.

    Yes, African leaders are disgusting and cowardly in how they use gay people as targets for hatred–they’re also hypocrites in a Larry Craig sort of way (if you get my drift). African people are desperately poor. Desperate circumstances can cause people to latch on to desperately false and dangerous beliefs…like the Germans did before & during the rise of Hitler.

  9. Oscar says

    Gambia and Senegal are AFRICA.They represent the permanent feeling of Africa against gays.All the rest of the continent is the same whether is Eqypt or Zimbawe.The muslim africans are as anti-gay as the christian africans.The whole continent is anti-gay even more than Latin America which in some countries is more tolerant.But YES Gambia and Senegal are AFRICA and ANTI-GAY to the core and anything else anybody says is BULLSHIT.

  10. Jimmyboyo says

    Oscar

    and you are the same as david duke. You are both americans which automaticaly makes you exactly the same.

    Anything anybody says to the contrary is saying bullshit.

    Now if you were to say that many of the African animist religions either still do or once accepted homosexuality as a given and an acceptable life style choice much like all other pagan religions around the world, but when christian and muslim missionaries and conquerers arrived they ingrained the hate of homosexuals in large swaths of afrrican people…….just like they did everywhere else……..then you would actualy have a decent topic for discussion

  11. Oscar says

    Which country in Africa is run by animist or pagan governments my dear Jimmyboyo?.Come down to Earth and realize that from the Mediterranean to the tip ofAfrica all governments are anti-gay.That South Africa is a little and I mean a little only more enlighting may be true but tell me which one n the whole continent has a civil-partners or gay marriage.Will they ever have it,NOOOO.The whole continent is ANTI-GAY no matter what ever you say.In real life, that’sthe truth.

  12. says

    What does Gambia offer to the world again?
    I never had any intention of going to Africa but this just confirms it. I thought US leadership was a mess but this fuckwad takes stupidity and hatred to a whole new level. He’s Fred Phelps with power. Sad.

  13. noteasilyoffended says

    You know? This sounds like JUST the place for the “religious right” to move and begin a new life, far from all those “sinning and morally corrupt” homosexuals. What a perfect match! And besides, they would be closer to the birthplace of their “religion”. I will personally pay for a one way ticket to Gambia for a husband and wife who are members of the religious right. Sounds like a winning proposition for all those involved.

  14. Oscar says

    By the way Jimmyboyo I’m a cuban that even with a communist dictatorship is by far and I mean by super far more enlighten that the whole of Africa.Get real and face the truth.

  15. Yeek says

    I sort of agree with everything said here. Africa is made up of many different nations, and certainly every other continent is fucked up in its own way.

    Though I will say I see what Christopher is saying. In terms of “matter of degree,” Africa does seem to stand out as ‘extra fucked up.’ Of all these nations, a disproportionate number seem to be in debt, shot through with corruption, plagued by perpetual revolution, obsessed with chopping off people’s arms, and hurtling towards famine and disease despite decades and decades of aid.

    It’s so fucking depressing. I’ve been blathering on for years against all the batshit racists in this country, and yet every time I turn on the news there’s another fucking catastrophe. And the whole “the colonials are STILL to blame” for the state of affairs over there is just not cutting it anymore. And South Africa’s success is even more of a let-down! It’s the country in Africa with the largest white population of all!

    We need a couple of real success stories in Africa! Man, would that be something. Ultimately, we can’t force success on anyone.

    Fuck! Arrrrggh!

  16. Christopher says

    Ok, point well taken. We can’t tar the entire continent with one brush. That said…here is a quick rundown of the websites of international rights groups such as Amnesty International, Genocide Watch, Committee on Conscience, Physicians for Human Rights, Human Rights Watch and The International Rescue Committee that shows just how wide the chaos and violence spreads across the Africa:

    RWANDA: ethnic genocide, between 800,000 and 1,000,000 dead in space of just one-hundred DAYS in 1994.

    DARFUR: 450,000 dead and millions displaced since 2003. Hundreds of thousands of civilians have died from violence, disease, and starvation, and thousands of women have been raped. More than 2.5 million civilians have been driven from their homes, their villages torched and property stolen. Thousands of villages have been systematically destroyed and more than 230,000 people have fled to neighboring Chad.

    CHAD: Human Rights Watch reports that growing violence in Chad has put the $300 million international aid mission supporting millions of people in the north African country at risk, while the deployment of the European Union’s peacekeeping mission to Chad and neighboring Central African Republic has been delayed.

    CONGO: IRC estimates that 5,400,000 people have died since 1998 in from genocide and war-related causes. According to the United Nations, 27,000 sexual assaults were reported in 2006 in South Kivu Province alone, a figure that represents only those assaults that were officially reported.

    SUDAN: An estimated two million people, mostly civilians, died in Sudan and four million were displaced between 1985 and 2005 as the result of civil war. Rights groups cite the Sudanese government for the use of mass starvation as a weapon of destruction, toleration of the enslavement of women and children by government-allied militias and the incessant bombing of hospitals, clinics, schools, and other civilian and humanitarian targets.

    WEST AFRICA: According to the IRC, for more than 16 years, interrelated conflicts in Liberia, Sierra Leone and Ivory Coast, compounded by periodic instability in Guinea, have plagued West Africa, causing the deaths of hundreds of thousands and displacing millions across the region. Rape, child abuse, trafficking, torture, mutilation, sexual exploitation and forced prostitution have been common practices during West Africa’s protracted conflicts.

    And on the news front:

    KENYA: CNN is reporting just today that gangs of young men armed with machetes are roaming the streets in Kenya as post-election violence threatens to engulf the country. Horrific attacks are being reported, including the torching of a church where people who had sought refuge were burned alive.

    SOUTH AFRICA: Again CNN reporting today that thousands of Zimbabwean immigrants in Johannesburg have fled their homes amid a growing tide of mob violence that has left at least 23 people dead and many badly injured after being set on fire by angry mobs.

  17. says

    It’s definitely infuriating to see morons as heads of states! And CHRISTOPHER, the continent has a long way to go in terms of human rights-among other things- but as you realize it IS A CONTINENT. Some countries are achieving a lot and some are not. I mean we still have pastors blaming gays for Katrina and that’s not an indication of how fucked up all of AMERICA is, now, is it?

  18. Christopher says

    Yes, I’m conflating ethnic violence across Africa with human rights abuses against gays and lesbians in Gambia, which is the topic of this post. Agreed, on the civil rights score MANY nations including South Africa have it all over the US in terms of being progressive towards gays. That said, when it comes to human rights (like, say, the right not to be set on fire by a mob) Africa on the whole is abysmally behind the rest of the world.

    And I resent being labeled a TEENY bit crazy; anyone who knows me knows that I’m at least very crazy.

  19. Jimmyboyo says

    Oscar

    Cuban = 1/2 of the population is either of pure african descent or of mixed african descent. Oscar, you might want to be nicer in your views of Africa or your ancestors might be offended.

    Christopher, you listed a total of 12 African countries. There are 53 African countries and 8 dependencies for a total of 61 seperate and distinct areas. 12 out of 63 is .25 more than 1/5 of Africa.

    Yeek, colonialism and its affects ………………hello most African countries didn’t gain indipendence till just 50 years ago. 50 years means many enabelers of the colonial governments are still around and in power or at least their children are in power in Africa.

    There are problems in Africa. Many problems. Just as there are many problems everywhere in the world.

  20. JeffNYC says

    The Kenyan post-election violence was encourage by Opposition Leader Raila Odinga.

    During the violence, scores of Anglican and Catholic churches were torched and the rioting Muslims ethnically cleansed portions of the country of Christian Kenyans, all encouraged by Odinga, who stepped in after the violence, called for calm, and forced his way into a “coalition government.”

    Prior to the election, Odinga was visited and supported by Barack and Michelle Obama.

  21. Jimmyboyo says

    JEFFNYC

    You are twisting facts

    Obama and Michelle have visited Kenya due to His father coming from kenya. With his grandmother and other family members still living in Kenya. Odinga is Obama’s distant cousin.

    Odinga has spared no expense in trying to exploit such a connection via speaches and to shore up his questionable regieme, but that in no way means Obama supports such a regieme.

    Hell, Bill Clinton’s brother still tries to exploit his connection to his brother which in no way means Bill supports his drunken and questionable behavior.

    Obama visited Kenya. Obama visited his grandmother in kenya. Odinga just happened to attach himself to the visit to try to seek legitamcy.

  22. Christopher says

    OK JIMMYBOYO. Damn your persistent efforts to recognize the complexity of the entire picture across Africa which have trumped my jingoistic prejudices! Seriously, you (and many other commenters) are right and I’m wrong. There is nothing to be gained by damning an entire continent and everything to be said for taking each country’s conflict or abuse at face value and trying to help however we can. As YEEK said, we really need a couple of wins in Africa.

    Fuck! I hate having to admit being wrong, it messes with my belief in my absolute perfection.

  23. Jimmyboyo says

    :-)

    Thanks christopher for admiting such.

    Hell, I myself am wrong more time sthan right.

    Back on topic then, this guy the head of Gambia is a horrid human being.

  24. Paul says

    So out of about 50 or so countries that make up Africa, only South Africa can be pointed out as having laws favorable towards homosexuals? I’d say Christopher has a point. Here are a few other wonderful places for gay people to live and thrive in Africa:

    Egypt: Cairo police have jailed 12 men since October 2007 in a spreading hunt for people suspected of being HIV-positive. (from: http://www.amnesty.org/)

    Libya: All homosexual acts are illegal in Libya. Libya is known to severely enforce the Islamic Sharia law against homosexual sex. (from: http://www.geocities.com/WestHollywood/2144/l-libya.html)

    Morocco: MOROCCO – December 13, 2007: The international Human Rights Watch has called for the release of six men sentenced to prison for homosexual conduct in Morocco, arguing that the convictions violate the men’s rights to privacy.
    (from: http://www.mask.org.za/article.php?cat=morocco&id=1784)

  25. says

    Hey CHRISTOPHER,

    I don’t think OAKLING was calling you crazy. I’m pretty sure he was referring to this asshole of a president.

    I checked out the article and it’s ironic that “…President Jammeh said he was bent on making the Gambia one of the best countries to live in…”
    I doubt that he even understands what that means.

    I was born and raised in East Africa myself and from experience I know that some of these countries have a level of acceptance of gays that we couldn’t see in some north American cities. I have a couple of childhood friends who are transgenders and have lived “freely” that way. And they still live there. In my opinion, it all boils down to how each specific community deals with sexuality.

    Not to blame it on religion, but christian nations back there have lesser animosities towards gays and lesbians and that’s partly because they are animist to an extent.

  26. Oscar says

    You are right JEFFNYC, Barack Husein Obama is anti-gay and so is his wife.His deep down feelings are of homophobia.Thank God and God forbids, if he become President of the USA, the Congress will keep him in check to lash against gays.
    JIMMYBOYO only 1/3 of cubans have african heritage and even in the worse of times gays were harrased but never killed in Cuba.
    Also do not blame the problems of Africa in colonialism, every country in the world have been somebody elses colony or in slavery.Spain was slave to the muslims for 700 years, 700 freeking years,and now have civil-unions for gays and going to approve marriage.In fact it is the or one of the more enlighten countries not only in Europe but in the world.Also is one of the more catholic countries in the world.Catholicism is the more orthodox andthe first of the christian religions.

  27. Jimmyboyo says

    YEEK

    Any sane and responsible scholar would tell you that current IQ tests are 100% culturaly biased.

    There have been efforts to make IQ tests less culturaly biased, but there is NO standarized IQ test for the entire freaking planet of multitudes of different cultures and people ….YET

  28. Jimmyboyo says

    Oscar

    check wikipedia

    CUBA

    pure african descent 1/4th to 1/3

    mullato = MIXED (african in there) another 1/4th

    total about

    1/2 of cubans have African blood in them

    LOL

    Liberal catholic spain

    In fact just the opposite.

    Liberal spain vs catholic spain

    The liberal secular government of Spain has said hell no to catholicism and

    1- cut all government financing of catholic schools

    2- the removal of priests form beuracratic positions

    3- the gay rights issue in rebellion against what the catholic church in spain wanted

    Spain has become a success story of SECULARISM triumphing over ignorant catholicism

  29. Yeek says

    Jimmyboyo –

    I guess the key to testing the cultural-bias theory would be do simply do the reverse: design an IQ test that is culturally biased toward African populations instead of Asian/European ones. The results of that IQ test should show opposite results, with Africa coming out on top.

    That would be a fascinating experiment – someone should do it….

  30. Paul R says

    Actually, Christopher, you forgot to mention the problems in Somalia (which lacks a functioning government and is riven by violent clans) and Zimbabwe (which has a horrific government). And those are just off the top of my head; if I actually looked at a map I could name more problem African countries. Some countries in North Africa (Tunisia, Morocco) are OK in terms of human rights, and South Africa trumps the rest of the continet. But I’ve done tons of work involving foreign aid, much of it involving Africa. And it really is a pretty terrible, hopeless place.

    And unfortunately, aid will still flow to the Gambia (its official name includes “the”) from organizations like the UN and the World Bank, who aren’t allowed to use governance in most of their aid and lending decisions. The Bank *sometimes* withholds loans in cases of clear, mind-blowing corruption. But not always, by any stretch. And well-meaning nongovernmental organizations and in-kind supporters (like the Peace Corps) will still have a presence there. So, the aid the U.S. won’t be providing through the MCC is, unfortunately, a drop in the bucket of foreign aid to this sick jerk and his cronies.

  31. Jimmyboyo says

    test?

    It has already been proven thus by western scholars = 100% culturaly biased.

    What we need is a standarized IQ test for the world. I also think we need 1 world government, but hey besides being crazy loony tunes I am also ahead of my time in some ways.

    :-)

  32. says

    OSCAR, surely you agree that Africa as a whole deserves more half a century to get over slavery and colonialism. Both of which were particularly cruel as in unprecedented. Africans need to take responsibility and quit blaming other people for their misery. However what that continent is going through is a direct result of centuries of unbelievable cruelty by both its aboriginals and foreigners.

  33. Jimmyboyo says

    Paul

    The world bank is part of the problem. requiring African countries to put their resources at the disposal of the World bank ….i.e. water rights!!!??? Rendering farmers in africa unable to utilize the water sources their ancestors used for millenia and thus end up starving.

    Bono and even the former pope John Paul were big on the World Bank redoing its lending practices to Africa since it was causing a lot of the problems in Africa like poverty and starvation

  34. Jimmyboyo says

    PS

    Paul R

    Somalia?

    gained indipendence in the 60’s

    Peace and stability in Somalia = diamond companies having to take less of a profit while allowing more money to flow back to Somalia and its people.

    There are vested intrests outside of Africa that do not want peace and stability in Somalia and thus why they supply arms and turmoil between its groups. Got to keep the diamonds rolling out of somalia and the huge amounts of money rolling into non african pockets

    Enough already.

    The topic of this thread was Gambia and the horid Human being leading that country

    Gay racists? OY

  35. Oscar says

    Oh my God JIMMBOYO, do you really believe Wikipedia?.Anybody can say anything they want.An Spain is very,very catholic even if its government is socialist.Only Ireland,Italy and Mexico are as catholic as Spain.Yes it is one of the most catholic in the world.And in Cuba 1/3 of the population has african blood and are mostly from Congo,Nigeria and Mahome, the spaniards did it so to make assimilation and control easier and are also the most beautiful of the african race (I mean cuban blacks amd mulatos).Yummy.

  36. rafer says

    It’s interesting to see all the hatred directed at Africa EVEN though we’ve see continued to see constant violent, murderous homophobia in European or European-controlled countries like the Netherlands, Latvia, Lithuania, Australia, and the Russia.

    Hello! Russia homophobic violence is addressed in an article right before this one! Human rights? Do a little research into horrific racism in Russia that allows children to be murdered with no punishment.

    Last year, immigrants from Russia and other eastern European countries held anti-gay protests in California. Two eastern European men killed a gay Fijian-American who was attending a holiday party at public forest preserve.

    Yes, there’s horrific violence in Africa. But who finances and arms the violence? The guns come from some place? Guess where? The U.S., Europe, Russia, and China are the biggest financiers and arms suppliers.

    The wars in Africa may have ethnic components but they are also making a lot of money for people. The genocide in Sudan takes place because China benefits from close ties to the Sudanese government.

    Just as the U.S. and the Soviets had proxy wars in Asia and Latin America, so did they have wars in Africa.

    And, let’s be real about human rights abuses in the United States. Although 70% of all drug arrests are of white Americans, non-whites are 12 times as likely to get prison terms.

    The United States and China are the two leading countries with the highest percentage of their populace imprisoned. What’s wrong with that picture?

    As for Latin America, the blood bath of violence there that has gone on for generations was led by the white minority as a tool to oppress and control the non-white populations. There are, of course, white on white violent atrocities like those committed by the Argentine junta against its citizenry but those pale in comparison to the butchery visited upon the indigenous and African populations of most Latin American countries. Read a little history on Gunboat diplomacy or the United Fruit Company or Reagan and his adventures in El Salvador and Nicaragua to understand U.S. complicity in the horrors in Latin America.

    Then, while you’re at it, read about the 70 million (!) people Mao helped to kill in China and 50 million people Stalin butchered in the Soviet Union.

    Africa is no lone place of horror. Human being have been and continue to slaughter each other no matter the continent just ask the thousands murdered in the 1990s in Bosnia, Serbia, and Croatia while the European Union did nothing to stop the “ethnic cleansing.”

    As for Cuba, we are talking about brutal dictatorship that imprisons and executes its citizens. This is also a dictatorship run by a white elite that does not permit many non-whites into positions of power and has suppressed Afro-/mulatto Cubans for fighting for more political power.

  37. Paul R says

    Jimmyboyo, believe me—I am more than well aware that the World Bank has created enormous problems with its lending practices in Africa and around the world. It has improved slightly in recent years, but my point was somewhat critical anyway: I think that governance should be a factor in who receives aid, and I consider human rights a component of governance.

    As for Somalia, many other countries also have diamonds. For example, Liberia under Charles Taylor was not a nice place, but there was a government in place, no matter how curel and corrupt. And now there’s a new government that may bring improvements to the nation’s suffering people. That can’t be said of Somalia.

    Africa’s many seemingly intractable problems will take a very long time to solve.

  38. Matt says

    Why are American black people so proud of their African heritage? Most of the continent is exactly this insanely homophobic and sexist, even the freed South Africa. At least half of the countries are dictatorships and even Kenya has become a hell-hole for democracy. Tutsis versus Hutus in Rwanda, the rape of Darfur, SA men with AIDS fucking baby girls to rid themselves of the disease, female circumcision, and clowns like Robert Mugabe, Idi Amin, Quadaffi, etc etc The only African leaders worth a damn ever to come out of there were Haile Selassie (whom my father met many years ago) of Ethiopia, Anwar Sadat of Egypt, and Bishop Desmond Tutu and Mr Mandela of S.A.

    Now watch the junior NAACP league come out and call me a racist because I dare to point out these facts. You liberals are so fuckin’ deep in denial.

  39. UhOhChongo says

    Obama is NOT anti-gay, Oscar! He is the only one of the candidates to support the FULL REPEAL of DOMA and states he will end DADT. Where the hell do you get this from? Because he’s black? Jeebus.

  40. Jimmyboyo says

    Matt

    said “You liberals….. ”

    Hows that self hating log cabinite thing doing for you?

    A gay conservative is like a black KKK member or a Jewish Nazi

    See, i didn’t even have to call you racist.

    LOL

  41. nic says

    jammeh is crazier than a soup sandwich. i think we can all agree on that. but making broad assumptions about a whole continent or an entire group of people is crazier still. why don’t we change the subject to something silly.

    the three hottest guys are in the finals of “dancing with the stars”; cristian dela fuente, jayson taylor, and little mark ballas. kristi yamaguchi almost makes me want to be a lesbian — almost. she should win.

  42. Wade says

    Well as someone that has been to more African countries than I can easily recall, let me just say that the majority of people I met/saw were more concerned with what they were going to eat, or how they were just going to live, than what homosexuals do.

    The Jammeh guy is a whack job. We certainly have our share in North America as well.

  43. RJ says

    JIMMYBOYO, it’s amusing that OSCAR expects everyone to take all his statements as irrefutable facts while he scoffs at anything on Wikipedia (where at least many articles come with detail references).

    The example of Spain is interesting. While the majority of the population self-identifies as Catholic, most definitely do not share Church leaders’ social policies on homosexuality and gay marriage. They really like to separate church and state in Spain.

  44. Ian M. Walker says

    I’m not going to reiterate what has already been stated here about this idiot but I must point out a correction on a comment above. Despite what you Americans would like to think in order to have it all tied up neatly with a bow, England is NOT on the same continent as Spain. :) England isn’t even on a continent, it is part of The United Kingdom, an island and merely a member of the European Union.

    Cheers.

  45. SeanR says

    Boys, you need to stop the posturing.

    This is serious to see such a lunatic in charge of Gambia. While it does not represent Africa per se, there is a similar rationale about gay men purported by Robert Mugabe in Zimbabwe. The real tragedy is that African leaders do not intervene in other African states to do regime change, so it is crucial that the USA and other Western countries play a role in countering homophobia.

  46. Jimmyboyo says

    IAN

    You are correct

    I appologize to all britts for saying Great brittan is part of the continent of Europe.

    SeanR

    “The real tragedy is that African leaders do not intervene in other African states to do regime change, so it is crucial that the USA and other Western countries play a role in countering homophobia.”

    Uhm regieme change is what has caused Iraq

    The Pentagon says we are soooo stretched out because of Iraq that we could barely defend our own borders in case of attack let alone perform any more regieme changes anywhere in the world.

    The guy is a nut case and a heart attack couldn’t come soon enough for him.

  47. Jimmyboyo says

    ps other african leaders performing regieme change in other african countries not there own = war ………….hello, just more problems for Africa

  48. says

    Having spent considerable time in South Africa, and thoroughly loving the place and the people, I can attest to its liberal and inviting attitudes toward “the gays”.

    However I must agree that SA is sadly only a small percentage of a disturbingly homophobic continent.

    Having said THAT, it should be noted that homophobia is just one of the social ills plaguing much of Africa – human rights abuses run rampant in many of her countries, mostly owing to the dictatorships running the various governments.

    The ironic thing is that the anti-gay stances of these places is rooted in the decades old religious beliefs instituted when the English Colonies were in control. When the colonies were either overthrown or left of their own accord, instead of being truly free of their repressive masters, the African people held onto the worst parts of the colonial system of rule, including the laws against homosexuality.

    It’s sad, true; but were any of us REALLY planning a trip to Gambia this season anyway?

  49. CelestialCrisis says

    JIMMYBOYO –

    You are so friggin annoying. Your tone is unbelievably smug so anything you say that’s true is almost overwhelmed by the smarmy attitude. I am delighted you are so au fait with all that we have going on in Europe – I’ve grown up and lived in 5 EU countries, Angola and Rwanda and you still seem to claim more knowledge of Europe and Africa than I would. Quoting the size of a continent at people really isn’t convincing me of anything except your ability to use Wikipedia – Greenland is pretty big but I’d pay more attention to what happens in Cyprus.

    You are most certainly wrong about Ireland not allowing abortion under any circumstances – like some other European states, it’s only allowed when the mother’s health is in danger or if she is suicidal. A very conservative position, yes, but essentially the only way that Ireland is more right-wing than the rest of the EU. Poland, for example, is far more restrictive but most EU countries have come on in leaps and bounds. Which is more than can be said for much of the US. My primary school teacher and my best friend are Irish so to hear you use that as an example makes me wonder how much you really understand these places you are comparing?

    You’re right to call out Christopher though. Being African (yes, I’m half ‘European’, half ‘African’), I know the ideas people have about my continent and to be honest many of them are not invented. I think the vast majority of the negative aspects of Africa are caused by centuries of colonisation, oppression and abuse, but when there are countries like SA and Liberia which have begun to rise so bravely above it all, it is hard not to be angry at Zimbabwe and the Gambia. It’s not racist or wrong to say Africa is not progressive no more than it is elitist or wrong to say Europe is liberal.

    What you said about differences between the UK and Spain is almost accurate indeed, but not really a fair point considering that European countries agree on far more than they disagree on and act very much as uniters within their own continent and abroad. In fact, the EU has arguably done more to stabilise the world and many Asian economies than the US in the past 50 years.

    Your point about dominion and colonisation would also be fair enough if you recognised Oscar’s point – Ireland (since you seem to fancy leprechauns) was under the yoke of the UK for 800+ years and only achieved independence 85 years ago (some would say the fact that Northern Ireland is still ruled by Britain means they are all still colonised). Ireland went from being a virtual 3rd world nation in the 50s under Catholic rule to being a left-leaning, progressive, secular state which is now one of the wealthiest, healthiest and safest in the world. Much of that wealth has come from foreign investment – particularly from the US and UK – and one wonders if people put that kind of money into some African countries would they be world powerhouses now?

    That aside, if you could just tone down your pedantic rants that would really make it a whole lot easier to see the truth in what you’re saying. I am sure you get some thrill out of throwing ‘zingers’ at people, but it’s beginning to feel like a playground in here.

    Muchas gracias.

  50. Stairs says

    IAN M. WALKER

    >>I must point out a correction on a comment above. Despite what you Americans would like to think in order to have it all tied up neatly with a bow, England is NOT on the same continent as Spain<<

    This ‘correction’ simply isn’t correct at all.

    England may be part of the United Kingdom (which is not an island, incidentally (that would be “Britain” or adjacent “Ireland”) but a collective nation state that occupies part of the British Isles), but the whole of the United Kingdom sits on the European continental plate; it is therefore incontestably part of the European continent.

    The fact that the Channel appears to separate us from mainland Europe is mere trivia in geographical terms; seas will cover parts of continents — or not — depending upon the sea levels of the era in question – they have no bearing on actual continental boundaries.

  51. Derrick from Philly says

    JIMMYBOYO & SHABAKA & RAFER & ZEKE,

    Thanks for your patience and valiant efforts to educate. The history of the decimation of the African continent and its people, just doesn’t interest most people in the West. They’d rather believe that the black race is inferior–it makes it all so simple. You can remind them of the horrors that have been committed by people of European descent–the almost extermination of Native Americans, but they don’t want to hear it. The same people who hate Black Americans are the same people who hate Black Africans. Of course, they hate Black Gays too–discussion like this one help to remind us of that. We can handle that.

  52. Jimmyboyo says

    Derrick

    :-)

    Interesting tid bit of info since you brought up American Indians

    Obama visited another Native American reservation and was even cerimonaly adopted by the Crow nation and given a name which translates to “One who helps people throughout the land.”

    He made many promises to them about not forgeting them when in Office, of putting an actual Native American in a cabinet position dealing with Native Americans, to deliver education and health care to them (which they desperatley need)

    Bill Clinton did quite a bit of good for Native Americans when he was president, but sadly the bush years have seen them screwed over yet again by my fellow white men(many Indian nations do not have casinos on their reservations and are desperately poor)

    Anyway; some good news
    :-)

  53. Tom says

    Touche, Christopher. You are correct. Africa is fucked up. Always has been. Always will be. And no amount of politically correct protestation from the usual numbnuts (Derrick in Philly in particular) is gonna change that.

  54. Derrick from Philly says

    What is a “numbnut”, Uncle Tom? If your ancestors had kept their asses in Europe who knows what condition Africa might be in today. Damn, if Montezuma had only faught back, and if the Pilgrams had starved that winter the Indians saved them. Oh, well.

    And it’s “Derrick FROM Philly,”, you numbnut.

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