1. jason says

    While this is a start, New York still has a long way to go. And New York’s gay community is not blameless, either. I’ve noticed an extraordinary number of New York gays who are more interested in taking drugs and attending parties than in fighting for the right to a civil marriage.

    Parties and drug-taking do not bring you civil rights. Get a grip and develop a sense of priorities, for Pete’s sake.

  2. Anonymous says

    This gay New Yorker, who has been partnered for almost 20 years, is heading to CA in August to get married.

    Kudos to Paterson, and to ESPA for being such an effective lobbying force in NY. We have to use our voices and, perhaps even more importantly, our money to be the political force we need to be.

  3. rudy says

    Yes, Bobby. There are no residency requirements for marriage in California.

    I am beyond overjoyed at this development in my adopted state of New York.

  4. Derek says

    Jason nice to know you think everyone should have to same priorities that you do.

    News flash hun: different people focus on different things. What you deem important others might not – imagine that!

    So how about you get off the cross, someone needs the wood.

  5. John says

    This is a rather sneaky way to “backdoor” same-sex marriage in New York.

    Gov. Patterson knows Joseph Bruno (and the NYS Senate Republicans) would never vote for same-sex marriage, so he’s trying to make it a “fait accomplis” through California.

    Since California lacks a residency requirement, it is far easier for New Yorkers to get married there than in Massachusetts.

  6. Will says

    According to a news report this morning, the NY State Senate may allow a vote on gay marriage. Bruno may be retiring and he may want to go out with some dignity. Also, the Repugs only have a two vote majority in the Senate and all signs are pointing to the Dems taking over. The thinking is, allow gay marriage and don’t look so repuglican and maybe the moderates will get re-elected. Either way, we get marriage rights this year, since both the Assembly and the Gov on on board, or we get it in January once the Dems take over the State Senate.

  7. peterparker says

    JOHN…considering that it was widely reported in the national news media, I’d say there was nothing sneaky at all about Patterson’s order that same sex marriages performed elsewhere be accorded the same legal status in New York State. And I can’t imagine why a faggot would call Patterson’s move a “sneaky way to ‘backdoor’ same-sex marriage in New York”, so you, JOHN, must be a troll from some right wing site. Do us all a favor and go back to posting on whatever hideous Republican blog you usually frequent.

  8. John says


    I’m for same-sex marriage, you freakin’ idiot.

    But to do it through an executive order recognizing out-of-state marriages (rather than through the legislative process or a court order) is, by definition, “backdoor.” Technically, New York State has NOT legalized same-sex marriage. The governor has merely decided to circumvent the ban by having the actual ceremonies take place in California instead.

    If (read: when) the Democrats take over the State Senate, I have no doubt that New York will legalize same-sex marriage. But for the moment, the right-wing can (and will) make the argument that this executive order is legally questionable. Because it is.

    Being for same-sex marriage doesn’t mean you should lose the capacity to think critically about the situation!

  9. Zeke says

    Um JOHN, you are aware that a New York appeals court has already ruled that same-sex marriages legally obtained outside the state must be recognized by the state of New York right?

    The only thing Paterson is doing with this “backdoor” executive order is ordering state agencies to make the necessary changes to bring the state into compliance with the ruling.

    I’m not exactly sure how you think that this is a nefarious and improper thing for the Governor to do. In fact, truth be told, I don’t see that he has any other choice in the matter.

  10. John says

    That’s a ruling from one appellate court out of many throughout the state.

    The government should’ve appealed the Supreme Court (Appellate Division) decision to the NYS Court of Appeal. Typically, the state has an obligation to defend existing law up through to the highest court. Whether the Attorney General and Governor agrees with the lower court or not is immaterial.

    Only a ruling from the state’s highest court can remove any ambiguity that might exist between different appellate divisions coming to different conclusions.

    By jumping the gun, Patterson merely opens the door for more litigation. The Alliance Defense Fund, Focus on the Family, and the rest of them will almost certainly try to intervene on behalf of conservative “taxpayers.”

  11. John says

    And considering this is the same NYS Court of Appeal that ruled 4-2 against allowing same-sex marriage in 2006, there’s little doubt why the Patterson administration wants to stop the legal process at the appellate level.

    He knows he’s on shaky ground.

    “We hold that the New York Constitution does not compel recognition of marriages between members of the same sex. Whether such marriages should be recognized is a question to be addressed by the legislature” (Majority Opinion, Hernandez v Robles)

    Doesn’t get any more clear than that. The Legislature has the sole authority to decide whether same-sex marriage is recognized. If this goes any further, the justices will almost certainly reverse this appellate court decision (following their own precedent from only two years ago). So, Patterson decided to pull the plug.

    Now, I have no problem with the outcome of his actions. But it might end up causing more trouble than it is worth. There’s an election coming in November. And the Democrats have a good chance of capturing the State Senate for the first time in decades. Do we really want a pre-election backlash in upstate NY or Long Island to ruin the party’s chances of securing a majority (that will probably legalize same-sex marriage anyway)?

  12. Zeke says

    You know PETERPARKER, I was giving JOHN the benefit of the doubt but I’m definitely starting to get the distinct scent of compassion troll in the air. He’s got all the “activist blah blah blah” talking points down to a tee.

    Certainly this couldn’t be STEPHEN/BEING COUNTED back with yet another strategic tack.

  13. Will says

    Hey John, it was appealed to the Court of Appeals. They refused to hear it. Thus, it is a final and binding decision on the entire state.

    So go fuck off.

  14. John says

    And as a lifetime Democratic voter, this is particularly amusing.

    It is precisely the sort of thing Bill Maher was talking about when he said to Danny Glover that the radical left’s just as ridiculous as the right.

    You people are assholes.

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