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  1. the queen says

    nobody won shit, dahling… BORING, BORING BORING!!! ah those boring debates, did anyone bother to see them… put me right to sleep…we watched about 2 minutes and said oh please mary… so me my husband, the countess de gooch (certainly not consuelo who is now being detained by the immigration authorities pending further investigation in her status as an illegal here — will she be deported or not, i dunno — must consult lou dobbs on this one) went to taco hell ordered tons of food and bought a couple of bottles of tequila and drove to the beach where we had on old fashioned beach party just like the college kids do… what fun..

    what is more important, is that Paul Newman died… i have mixed feelings about him… he was a good actor — certainly simply gorgeous in his prime — but doesn’t quite rank being in the great pantheon of stars, tho i’m sure there are those among you who will disagree… his wife had the bigger talent i think… the fabulous joanne woodward — she certainly deserved her oscar for the 3 faces of eve and i love her in the effect of gamma rays on man in the man marigolds — out of print i think but certainly worth looking for…

  2. says

    McCain definitely wasn’t a clear “winner” so that ad can be retired. Trying to look at it objectively, I think he did well enough so that the train wreck that his campaign had become over the past 2 weeks has been cleaned up a bit. He seemed relatively in command of the facts, and he certainly performs better in a debate setting than he does reading a speech. In an effort to be forceful, however, he came off as bitter, angry, and condescending, unable to even look at Obama, his biggest mistake of the night. Obama, by contrast, remained admirably cool throughout, confident enough to look at and even agree with his opponent on a few points. He also seemed presidential, which should put an end to the idiotic Republican spin that Palin is somehow more prepared for the office than Obama. I’m guessing McCain is not looking forward to the VP debate. Palin has gone from his savior to potentially the hugest mistake of his campaign in a few short weeks.

  3. clementine says

    A quick search of the transcript from last night’s debate turned up not one use of the words “poor,” “poverty,” “impoverished,” “lower class,” or any variation of the word “unemployed” from either candidate (or Lehrer). I get that the message didn’t resonate when Edwards used it. I get that many in the middle and upper classes resent the poor. I get that there are many who call themselves “middle class” in America who live below the poverty level. But damn! It seems an exponentially expanding voting block, a block that crosses the lines of ethnicity and religion, just isn’t worth the pursuit. That is one of more than a few reasons I now consider myself less pro-Democrat than anti-Republican. Liberty and justice should be for all, not just for those who can afford it.

  4. says

    Queen, darling, I found this quotation from a Republican operative:

    “If people are bored, that plays to our benefit,” said RNC spokesman Alex Conant, who explained that Obama fans — “expecting to hear one of his rally speeches” — would feel let down by his discursions into policy.

    Of course the McCain folks would rather not hear discussions of policy either, because his policies suck. McCain wants everyone to just tune out. Maybe next week they’ll orchestrate some kind of power black out so the VP debate can’t happen. They’re bound to try something!

  5. Jimmyboyo says

    Raif

    If one wishes to be a critic of the blogs of others then one would do well to start their own blog. David, keep doing what you are doing
    —————————————

    Queen

    The debates are not geared to repubs or dems. Both have already decided who they are voting for. The debates are geared to the indies who will decide this thing.

    As Andy posted CNN poll, CBS poll, MCNBC poll

    Heck the FOX news!!! focus group of undecideds/ indies overwhelmingly said Obama won the debate

    Time’s poll

    http://www.time-blog.com/swampland/2008/09/
    what_sayeth_the_undecideds.html?xid=rss-
    topstories

    Says the same. Obama won. Indies were turned off by the mean old man.

    Obama did exactly what he had to do and that was hold his own on mcshame’s turf of foreign affairs while also soothing indie’s fears of him being a mad/mean black man.

    In the end neither your mcshame support nor my Obama support matters. We cancel each other out. It is all up to the indies, and after last night the indies are loving Obama and they dislike the mean old man.

    ——————–

    Obama and all of us need to thank Senator Hillary Clinton for toughening Obama up during the primaries. Thank Hillary for debating Obama in 22 debates which worked to refine and improve Obama’s debating abilities.

    Thank you Hillary Clinton!

    Thank her by helping to retire her debt

    https://contribute.hillarycampaign2008.com/
    form.html?sc=1

    (even $5 helps if coming from a lot of different people, so despite this economy all Obama supporters should be able to send at least $5) Of course $1,000 would be nice 😉

  6. my2cents says

    again, obama takes the high road… and mccain, with selective editing shows how desperate he’s become. maccian might benefit from reading “i don’t have to be wrong for you to be right”.

    @gabriel: the ad is confusing. obviously he had to go fast and dirty with this after his “mcain wins debate” ads went into the dumpster.

    looking forward to the VP debate next week, if palin doesn’t bow out of the ticket before hand. they might attempt to stall it by saying that both sided were unable to iron out the “preconditions” of the evening.

    also looking forward to gwen ifil from PBS being the moderator.

  7. LightningLord says

    Gee, based on the links Andy supplied, you would think NOBODY at all out thought McCain won the debate or even performed well, which is not what several pundits expressed last night.

    Then again, this is Andy’s blog and he has no pretense or requirement to be “fair and balanced.”

    Still, the links provide only a partial perspective on the debate performance last night.

  8. says

    Gov. Matt Blunt today issued the following statement on news reports that have exposed plans by U.S. Senator Barack Obama to use Missouri law enforcement to threaten and intimidate his critics.

    “St. Louis County Circuit Attorney Bob McCulloch, St. Louis City Circuit Attorney Jennifer Joyce, Jefferson County Sheriff Glenn Boyer, and Obama and the leader of his Missouri campaign Senator Claire McCaskill have attached the stench of police state tactics to the Obama-Biden campaign.

    “What Senator Obama and his helpers are doing is scandalous beyond words, the party that claims to be the party of Thomas Jefferson is abusing the justice system and offices of public trust to silence political criticism with threats of prosecution and criminal punishment.

    “This abuse of the law for intimidation insults the most sacred principles and ideals of Jefferson. I can think of nothing more offensive to Jefferson’s thinking than using the power of the state to deprive Americans of their civil rights. The only conceivable purpose of Messrs. McCulloch, Obama and the others is to frighten people away from expressing themselves, to chill free and open debate, to suppress support and donations to conservative organizations targeted by this anti-civil rights, to strangle criticism of Mr. Obama, to suppress ads about his support of higher taxes, and to choke out criticism on television, radio, the Internet, blogs, e-mail and daily conversation about the election.

    “Barack Obama needs to grow up. Leftist blogs and others in the press constantly say false things about me and my family. Usually, we ignore false and scurrilous accusations because the purveyors have no credibility. When necessary, we refute them. Enlisting Missouri law enforcement to intimidate people and kill free debate is reminiscent of the Sedition Acts – not a free society.”

  9. Jimmyboyo says

    lightninglord

    Pundits? who carers! The polls baby, its all about the polls of indies/undecided voters.

    Go try to round up those pundits because those few votes vs overwhelming majority of indies is what decides the election.

    Anyway;

    My2cents, she just might have to bow out

    Check this out

    The president of Paraguay refused to meet with palin when invited to. Turned it into a joke over dinner with friends

    http://www.thewashingtonnote.com/archives/
    2008/09/president_of_pa/

  10. MAJeff says

    Amazing. The white supremacist troll cites a far-right politician’s nonsensical claim that having public officials call out Republican lies about Obama is some kind of police-state tactic. Shameless and pathetic, from Blunt and the white-sheet wearing HOGB.

  11. MAJeff says

    I wonder if the Klan-troll would agree that having Governor’s Schwarzenegger or Pawlenty work on behalf of McCain is the equivalent of having the states of California and Minnesota endorse and work on behalf of that Senator….because that’s the equivalent of what Blunt is claiming.

  12. Cj says

    Oh HOGB, you silly goose. I love when you quote Fox “News”, it’s my entertainment for the day. God bless your little patriotic heart. Now, why don’t you be a good little boy and get blessed by Pastor Muthee alongside Sarah Palin, those inner demons need to be exercised.

  13. Jimmyboyo says

    HOGB

    Michael Sneed (your link) cites a rumor told by a 3rd person = hearsay LOL

    Not even mentioning the fact that rezko in his testimony exonerated Obama. Its in the freaking court records. LOL

    Looking up Michael Sneed…….WOW has a history of falsehoods and never apologizing for them when busted.

    1 lie even caused an international rucus when april 2007 claimed VT shooter was an unnamed Chinese national. Turned out to be false and China was pissed/ demanded a retraction. The Chicago Sun times never ever ever apologized.

    Michael Sneed also waxes poetic often about palin and “STUD” first dude.

    Hmmmmmm

    Weren’t you also the one who ranted on and on about that old fat dude that claimed to have sex and do drugs with Obama? Later he was busted for lieing in 2 lie detector tests.

    your sources sure do suck

    You are going to really hate the next 4 yrs aren’t you? Obama wins and your going to be sitting in a corner, wearing just your underware and your KKK hoo,d rocking back and forth, drooling, and babbling nonsense.

  14. Las Vegas says

    Well Jimmy 3rd person rumors about affairs and campaign workers sexuality seem to be enough for you when you need it though.

    The smell of spin and desperation in this thread is hilarious. I don’t really see a clear winner from last night and I’ve sat and watched it twice today.

    Last week all I saw were these big words from people talking about some sort of Obama smack down. I guess the “old man” had a little more in him than you thought. Obama’s strength lies in prepared speeches with soaring rhetoric and not so much unprepared situations.

    The polls I saw on CNN last night with “independent voters” commenting are the same type of tactics in the alst election. What I really saw was a parade of Democratic talking points about age, experience, and the rest of the garbage that has been tossed around for the last couple of months.

    Now I guess you will all move onto trash talking about how Biden with mop the floor with Palin and blah blah blah. What should people take away from this debate?

    It ain’t over till it’s over and it is far from over…as many of you predicted it would be last week…and all the trash talking didn’t cover the fact that Obama didn’t get it done last night…again.

  15. Las Vegas says

    Well Jimmy 3rd person rumors about affairs and campaign workers sexuality seem to be enough for you when you need it though.

    The smell of spin and desperation in this thread is hilarious. I don’t really see a clear winner from last night and I’ve sat and watched it twice today.

    Last week all I saw were these big words from people talking about some sort of Obama smack down. I guess the “old man” had a little more in him than you thought. Obama’s strength lies in prepared speeches with soaring rhetoric and not so much unprepared situations.

    The polls I saw on CNN last night with “independent voters” commenting are the same type of tactics in the alst election. What I really saw was a parade of Democratic talking points about age, experience, and the rest of the garbage that has been tossed around for the last couple of months.

    Now I guess you will all move onto trash talking about how Biden with mop the floor with Palin and blah blah blah. What should people take away from this debate?

    It ain’t over till it’s over and it is far from over…as many of you predicted it would be last week…and all the trash talking didn’t cover the fact that Obama didn’t get it done last night…again.

  16. says

    McCain was transparently angry. I think it goes beyond the debate or even the campaign.

    John McCain suffered unimaginably in service to the rest of us. When his sacrifices are denigrated or ignored by those who never endured such treatment, his anger is understandable. I believe this instance is more revealing than the debate.
    John McCain suffered unimaginably in service to the rest of us. When his sacrifices are denigrated or ignored by those who never endured such treatment, his anger is understandable. I believe this instance is more revealing than the debate: http://www.fairandunbalanced.com/?http://www.testimoanials.com/blog/blog1.php/2008/09/25/transcendent-heroism

  17. says

    @MAJEFF

    “Is that the point of an Obama campaign? To elect the first victim-in-chief and indict the opposition as bigots when the polls are close or when he doesn’t get his way?” See http://www.philly.com/philly/hp/news_update/20080928_Back_Channels__Obama_s_lowball_attacks.html

    Comparing those who criticize Obama to the KKK is despicable, and this gestapo-like tactic you employ — racist in its own right — surely will backfire on election day. The only bigot out there is Obama who opposes gay marriage out of his self-admitted Christianist beliefs.

    My prediction is that many people in the privacy of the voting booth will vote against Obama in revolt against the mass hysteria of Obama supporters who attempt to shut down all dissent with their boorish and sometimes criminal behaviour.

  18. says

    Those “rumors” of Rezko flipping are becoming fast and furious:

    Antoin “Tony” Rezko, a convicted influence peddler who was once one of Gov. Rod Blagojevich’s most trusted confidants, has met with federal prosecutors and is considering cooperating in the corruption probe of the governor’s administration, sources told the Tribune.

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-rezko-flip28sep28,0,5691387.story

    Rezko’s possible change of heart—after years of steadfast refusal—has sent ripples through a tight circle of prominent defense attorneys who represent dozens of potential witnesses and targets in the wide-ranging probe.

    His cooperation would give prosecutors investigating the governor and his wife access to someone they have described as an ultimate political insider at the center of a pervasive pay-to-play scheme.

    Rezko’s trial this year laid bare a culture of scams, bribes and backroom deals stretching from City Hall to the Statehouse. It even became fodder in the presidential campaign of Democratic nominee Barack Obama, whose fundraising and personal ties to Rezko go back more than a decade.

  19. says

    Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama’s relationship with convicted influence peddler Tony Rezko officially arrived as a national story Saturday: It became a punchline on “Saturday Night Live.”

    In a takeoff on Friday’s presidential debate, the John McCain character criticized Obama’s support for federal earmarks, including an $8.1 million earmark called the “Tony Rezko hush fund.”

    RELATED STORIESSources: Rezko, feds in discussions Blog: Eye on Rezko Special section: Tony Rezko

    Obama’s character shot back, “Sen. McCain, you know I withdrew that initiative after he began cooperating with federal authorities.”

    Rezko has been meeting with prosecutors but has said in the past he has no dirt to dish on his longtime friends Obama or Gov. Blagojevich.

    In the skit, Obama’s character promised tax breaks for Chicago City Council members and boasted that his tax plan exempts “bribes, kickbacks, shakedowns, embezzlement of government funds or extortion.”

    http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/rezko/1189914,CST-NWS-snl28.article

  20. Jimmyboyo says

    HOGB

    Sneed as busted as a liar so you pull a different writer from the same damn news source The Chicago sun times. LOL

    The C Sun Times gets busted all the time for lies and never apologizes. Like the example I cited that caused an actual international rucus.

    Your other source the Chicago Tribune whose owner is Tribune company and owns 7 FOX stations. Who Own WGN 720(AM)who carried broadcasted a daily serial / employed the freaking creators of the “AMOS and ANDY” show. Just the most racist bit of crap ever on radio in american history.

    LOL

    If it walks like a KKK dude , talks like a KKK dude, etc

    Your sources suck. 1 even has a HUGE racist connection.

    Dude seriously, calm down. Stop with your lies. Like the one from the past about Obama having sex with some fat old dude in the back of some limo (busted in 2 failed lie detector tests) etc

    The scary black man isn’t going to hurt you. Calm down.

    :-)

  21. Jimmyboyo says

    Let me stress that one part

    You cite a source whose owner owns a radio station that actually employed the creators of the AMOS AND ANDY show before they moved on to WMAQ.

    The AMOS and ANDY show!!!!

    Dude, Hell KKK…..you are looking like the freaking grand dragon himself.

  22. CJ says

    Why do people like HOGB and Las Vegas come here if they don’t agree with the general consensus of the commentators? It seems they simply enjoy getting their rocks off by anti-agonizing those they don’t agree with, and that is simply sad. So, to quote the local zoo’s, “Don’t Feed The Animals”.

  23. Zeke says

    Why do people like HOGB and Las Vegas come here if they don’t agree with the general consensus of the commentators? — CJ

    From Wikipedia:

    INTERNET TROLL (or simply “troll” in Internet slang) is someone who posts controversial and irrelevant or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum or chat room, with the intention of provoking other users into an emotional response[1] or to generally disrupt normal on-topic discussion.

    Does that answer your question?

  24. Zeke says

    Oh, and by the way, the McCain campaign has a flying monkey troll clearing house website (a link to which you won’t get from me) where minions like HOGB and LAS VEGAS can go to on a daily basis to pick up the day’s talking points and be dispatched to liberal sites like Towleroad where they know certain anti-McCain/Palin pro-Obama/Biden topics are being discussed. HOGB and the rest of his HEE HAW gang didn’t just happen upon this site.

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