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Dianne Feinstein Speaks Out Against Proposition 8


Airing statewide in California tonight is this message from Senator Dianne Feinstein urging a 'no' vote on Proposition 8, the California ballot measure that would ban same-sex marriage.

Says Feinstein: "Proposition 8 would be a terrible mistake for California. It's about discrimination and we must always say NO to that."

Watch it, AFTER THE JUMP...

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  1. FINALLY!!! I have become more and more disillusioned with the "No On Prop 8" campaign. This is the FINAL week. The "Yes" ads in San Diego are running about 5 to 1. Many celeb videos are out there against Prop 8, but they are on the internet, not on public airways, where millions would see it. We don't need to "preach to the choir", we need to get the word out en masse. "Yes on 8" ads lie, exploit children, and use scare tactics. This is how Bush was elected for a second term. Didn't we learn anything?

    Posted by: CB | Oct 28, 2008 7:54:45 PM

  2. thank you CB for saying this. I said exactly the same thing you said and my posts were censored. will I be censored again? will you?

    Posted by: the queen | Oct 28, 2008 8:25:42 PM

  3. >>The "Yes" ads in San Diego are running about 5 to 1.

    Is it too soon to start talking about what to do if Prop 8 passes?

    Posted by: WilliamB | Oct 28, 2008 9:03:13 PM

  4. Maybe if we can get someone who is respected to support it instead of Marxist politicians, it might get some traction.

    Posted by: Shazam | Oct 28, 2008 9:04:37 PM

  5. It's about time Feinstein broke her silence on this. Sadly, this is typical of her non-leadership, and not just on LGBT issues.

    Surely California can do better than Feinstein where representation is concerned.

    Posted by: Terry Sweeney | Oct 28, 2008 9:06:57 PM

  6. I am glad to see her say these things. I am still awaiting the governor, who says he is against this proposition, to publically campaign against it. I don't expect it given the right flank of his party, but it would be nice.

    Posted by: akaison | Oct 28, 2008 9:16:17 PM

  7. I was very happy to see Diane come out with an ad. Bravo to her... Hopefully Arnold and Obama will follow suit. I think that would be very helpful.

    Posted by: Mike | Oct 28, 2008 9:22:43 PM

  8. Glad to see Feinstein finally take a public stand. Long overdue, but a good move, nonetheless, and I think the ad is well done. I agree with the other posters here, too: Where is the governor, who promised to fight this proposition?

    Posted by: jzipperer | Oct 28, 2008 9:41:38 PM

  9. @SHAZAM,

    is that "marxist" b.s. working for the repugs?

    Posted by: nic | Oct 28, 2008 9:46:01 PM

  10. If what Democrats did was even half as good as what they said we wouldn't so close to losing on Prop. 8.

    Obama sent one pathetically weak letter hemming and hawing about how Prop. 8 but every day he's out there telling the world that he and god agree that that we're second class citizens who don't deserve basic rights like the right to get married.

    Feinstein is just as bad. She's a Democrat and over the last two years they've trashed our agenda, gutting ENDA, ditching the hate crimes bill and refusing to repeal Clintons DOMA and DADT, while the Republicans sat back and smirked. The Democrats implemented the more open bigotry of the Republicans and took the heat for it. Usually it's the Republicans playing hard cop. But while they controlled Congress Democrats like Reid, Clinton, Kennedy, Obama, Pelosi and Barney Frank did their dirty work for them.

    Feinstein's contribution was to insure that bigots sat on the US Circuit Court of Appeals and in the AG's office. According to the Editorial Board of the NY Times

    "Senator Feinstein, Democrat of California, has disappointed liberals on a series of key votes in recent weeks. She provided the pivotal vote on the Judiciary Committee in favor of Leslie Southwick, a judicial nominee whom civil rights groups tried to block because of his bad record on race and gay rights.

    Mr. Southwick, as a state court judge, ruled in favor of reinstating a white woman who was fired after she called a colleague a 'good ole nigger.' He also ruled, in an especially cruel decision, that a woman should lose custody of her child because she was bisexual."

    Her politics make her a winner in the usual Democratic trifecta; the race to see who's the most clueless supporter of the war, who can pander to the most bigots and who'll win the race to give more money to the incompetents who wrecked the economy.
    When Feinstein, Pelosi, Reid, and Obama win, we lose. Jsut as much as when Republicans win. We'll never win as long as we play the two party shell game.

    McCain is a rancid right-winger with the Rev. Pat Robertson attached at the hip.

    Obama is Bill Clinton (DOMA, DADT, NAFTA) in drag with the Rev. Donnie McClurkin attached at the hip.

    Posted by: Bill Perdue | Oct 28, 2008 10:19:21 PM

  11. Bill

    I am convinced there is nothing any Democrat could do to make you happy. You are just some bitter old queen who can't address the problems of today with puke out every prior battle from the last 20 years. That may or may not make you feel good about yourself, but it adds nothing to the conversation. If each time the Democrats do something good, your response is "they didn't do anything" then there isn't much point of them doing anything since by your own definition- they don't care, and don't do anything. That's the simple logic of your rants taken to its political conclusion.

    Posted by: akaison | Oct 28, 2008 10:38:43 PM

  12. GOOGLE: Mormons Lead the Way in Financing yes on prop 8!The IRS threatened to cut off their tax exempt status in 1978 until they finally allowed blacks to serve in leadership positions within their cult. And, now they want to discriminate against another group! If only black people knew, then they wouldn't join the Mormons in the fight against gays. VOTE NO ON HATE VOTE NO ON 8!
    We need more people online, Mormons are spreading lies on youtube videos and we need to fight back!

    Posted by: eric | Oct 28, 2008 10:48:29 PM

  13. Is it too much to ask the "No on 8" campaign to use the words "gay" and "lesbian" in its ads to help voters understand specifically which "people" it's wrong to discriminate against?

    Posted by: LightningLad | Oct 28, 2008 11:20:02 PM

  14. Diane Feinstein's LONG overdue support notwithstanding, if Prop 8 passes, blame will not only fall on the governor of California for being largely absent from the debate, but also on the thousands (millions) of gay and lesbian Americans who are willing to stand by and do nothing while our fundamental rights are eroded in supposedly the most liberal state in America.

    If Prop 8 passes, gay marriage as an issue will be set back DECADES. All it takes is a small donation from ALL of us, and more importantly, an hour or two of our time (if you live in CA) to volunteer on a phone bank or on election day.

    I believe that this is the most important battle we will ever face in our quest for equality and I want to take this opportunity to thank Andy for his unceasing support for the No on Prop 8 cause. I know of no other journalist or blog that is championing the cause so vocally. I applaud Andy and Towleroad for such intelligent, comprehensive coverage.

    With less than a week to go, I implore every single individual who reads this comment to visit the No on Prop 8 site and donate much needed money, time or both.

    Posted by: Lewis Payton | Oct 29, 2008 12:06:20 AM

  15. Proposition Eight is a sad commentary on the low regard our community is held by the Democratic leadership. Where the hell is BO? Every queer person who has given this bastard two cents should email and call his sorry ass and demand that he cut a fucking commercial to help us out. The first call should be from David Fucking Geffin who came out early and loud for BO and who I read (here?) is worth a couple of billion. Shit why isn’t he giving a ten or twenty million for us in his own state? How fucking pathetic and sad are we that our rights our issues are always too fucking radioactive for the Dems that they don’t come to our defense and fight our battles with us—yet year and year election after election we suck their dick—If we lose they are to partially to blame

    Posted by: professor crabby phd | Oct 29, 2008 12:08:30 AM

  16. Most of the money coming to No on 8 is from Democratic operatives like Daily Kos and Bing amongst others. Daily Kos alone raised 200,000 for the No on Prop 8 versus this top gay site (you can easily look up Towleroad's traffic numbers), which hasn't topped 100 k on an issue of major importance to gays (supposedly). You can keep typing to convince yourself that you are right, but the numbers speak for themselves. Indeed, the bulk of the ads involving No on 8, including the article in which you are commenting, are coming from the Democrats. the VP nominee and the Presidential nominee have said they are against Prop 8. I can go on, but you people are just either a) right wing sockpuppets or b) idiots. Either way, facts should speak louder than your claptrap. The more you people post the more I will post rebuttals.

    Posted by: akasion | Oct 29, 2008 12:29:54 AM

  17. akaison - leave logic and thinking to honest people. Simple minded partisan shills like you are limited to toadying apologetics for Obama's bigotry. That really has no business in this discussion.

    You don’t have a clue. Your ‘thinking’ boils down to pathetically projecting you own cowardly approach to full equality onto Democrat political hustlers who could care less what you think.
    If we lose in California that will be due in large part to Biden and Palin, McCain and Obama who all gave permission for bigots to vote their bigotry.

    The GLBT movement has a big job ahead of it and we don't d gutless ‘one step at a time’ clueless wonders like you pretending to be on our side.

    McCain is a rancid right-winger with Paleo attached at the hip.

    Obama is Bill Clinton (DOMA, DADT, NAFTA, genocide in Iraq) in drag with a war criminal and bigot named Colin Powell attached at the hip.

    Posted by: Bill Perdue | Oct 29, 2008 1:19:35 AM

  18. Lewis Payton: "If Prop 8 passes, gay marriage as an issue will be set back DECADES."

    Defeating Prop 8 is very important, but will LGBT marriage rights seriously be set back decades if Prop 8 passes? If Prop 8 passes, can't the LGBT community work immediately to repeal Prop 8 and wouldn't repealing Prop 8 restore LGBT marriage rights?

    Posted by: WilliamB | Oct 29, 2008 1:32:45 AM

  19. Akasion:

    Pay to no mind the the BIll Perdue commenters of this site. All they do is assign blame. They do nothing to actually help the cause except bitch. In fact they like bitching so much they bitch about things, like an Obama presidency, that haven't even happened yet.

    Posted by: sugarrhill | Oct 29, 2008 1:47:01 AM

  20. Typical Gay strategy: "When attacked from the outside, turn around quickly and tear each other apart" - Sargon Bighorn

    Posted by: Sargon Bighorn | Oct 29, 2008 2:15:59 AM

  21. bill perdue,

    really?! you are accusing AKASION of simple-minded partisanship? it is better, perhaps, to have no distinguishable viewpoint other than to disdain everything. to wit:

    "McCain is a rancid right-winger with the Rev. Pat Robertson attached at the hip.

    Obama is Bill Clinton (DOMA, DADT, NAFTA) in drag with the Rev. Donnie McClurkin attached at the hip."

    i suppose you think that comments such as this, which you repeat ad nauseum, are clever. they are not. nor are they helpful. how does it feel to wake up in the morning only to find that your coffee cup is always empty, neither half full nor half empty, but always empty? if you are not contributing to the struggle, stfu. i know that anarchy is your default position, but please do not try to inject such b.s. into intelligent discourse.

    your reliance on platitudes and threadbare phrases illustrates the bankruptcy of original thought. as i have said before, dear BILL, you think it is better to curse the darkness than to light a candle. this is the world you choose to live in? well, it's your world, and you're welcome to it.

    Posted by: nic | Oct 29, 2008 2:46:14 AM

  22. About freakin' time. Diane F is always among the last to take a position on anything. She is among the most claculating politicians with whom I have ever worked. I suppose she eventually decided that doing the right thing in opposing discrimination would not hurt her politically.

    Why has not No on 8 produced ads asking Catholics whether they would like Mormons to adjudge the validity of their marriages or Baptists if they would like Catholics to vote on the legality of their marriages (or divorces)? We need to make this personal folks. These are our basic human rights for which we are fighting.

    Posted by: rudy | Oct 29, 2008 7:44:02 AM

  23. Where did I read that there are 1 million gays and lesbians in California but of that number, only about 30,000 had given money to the No on 8 campaign?

    If Proposition 8 passes, gays in California will have mostly themselves (and the Mormons) to blame. No one else.

    Posted by: elg | Oct 29, 2008 7:47:17 AM

  24. "If Prop 8 passes, gay marriage as an issue will be set back DECADES."

    I still don't buy this. We've had setbacks before. Yes, this is a big one, but it's not the end of the world.
    Suppose Prop 8 passes 51% to 49%. If foolish CA has a Constitution that can be amended by ballot initiative, what's to stop us from introducing a ballot initiative to repeal 8 in 2010? How hard can it be to change the minds of 1 or 2%? And then every election cycle until it passes?

    Posted by: KevinVT | Oct 29, 2008 9:16:13 AM

  25. I am going to take the excellent advice of ignoring by Bill.


    I agree.

    Posted by: akaison | Oct 29, 2008 10:27:20 AM

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