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Prop 8 Update: News, Protests, Supreme Court Status, Video

road.jpg New Yorkers, there is a peaceful demonstration outside the Manhattan Mormon Temple tomorrow evening at 6:30. This weekend, groups nationwide are protesting in an action called JOIN THE IMPACT. Look HERE for your city. Here's a list of upcoming California protests this week.

Protestroad.jpg In addition to the 44 state legislators I posted about this morning, more groups have asked the California Supreme Court to overturn Proposition 8: "In letters to the court, the Anti-Defamation League and other groups sided with lawsuits that said Proposition 8, which reinstated a ban on same-sex marriage, amounted to a sweeping revision of the state Constitution instead of a more limited amendment...Another letter from the Bar Association of San Francisco and other groups also urged the court to strike down the measure. 'Because Proposition 8 would shatter existing principles of equal protection and fundamental rights, as well as the judicial branch's role as final arbiter of these constitutional guarantees, it constitutes a revision of the Constitution,' wrote the bar, joined by the Legal Aid Society-Employment Law Center, the Lawyers Committee for Civil Rights of the San Francisco Bay Area and the Impact Fund."

Sfhome_2road.jpg A home in SF's Noe Valley. This is loud, but is it helpful?

road.jpg Nate Silver at has quite a good post that debunks a lot of the racial finger-pointing that is going on: "At the end of the day, Prop 8's passage was more a generational matter than a racial one. If nobody over the age of 65 had voted, Prop 8 would have failed by a point or two. It appears that the generational splits may be larger within minority communities than among whites, although the data on this is sketchy. The good news for supporters of marriage equity is that -- and there's no polite way to put this -- the older voters aren't going to be around for all that much longer, and they'll gradually be cycled out and replaced by younger voters who grew up in a more tolerant era."

road.jpg Posted this earlier, but it's worth repeating here. Michelangelo Signorile talks to a Mormon from Texas who donated to 'Yes on 8'. Definitely worth a listen.

Monroeroad.jpg Reverend Irene Monroe in the Huffington Post: "The present-day contentious debate between black and queer communities concerning what constitutes a legitimate civil rights issue and which group owns the right to use the term is both fueled and ignored by systemic efforts by our government that deliberately pits both groups against each other rather than upholding the 13th and 14th Amendments to the U.S. Constitution that affords each of these marginal groups their inalienable rights. While it is true that the white LGBTQ community needs to work on its racism, white privilege, and single-issue platform that thwart all efforts for coalition building with both straight and queer communities of color, the African-American community needs to work on its homophobia."

road.jpg L.A. Times: Prop 8 wars rage on Facebook.

Elcoyoteroad.jpg This morning I posted about the boycott of the California Musical Theatre by composer Marc Shaiman because of its artistic director's donation to Prop 8. A similar thing is happening in L.A. after it was revealed that the family manager of the popular El Coyote mexican restaurant had donated $100 to 'Yes on 8'. Word spread quickly over the internet and the manager Marjorie Chrisoffersen came forward and issued this statement: "I have been sick at heart that anyone has been offended by me. I have family, friends, employees from the gay community who are treasured people in my life. I have been a member of the Mormon church all my life. I responded to their request with my personal donation. For years the El Coyote has financially and generously supported the gay community and its charities. Please be my guest for an early lunch Wed., Nov. 12th, @ 11:00 am and allow me to personally speak with you. Please call and make a reservation as seating is limited. (323) 939-2255. Margie."

road.jpg TIME weighs in on activist tactics following the passage of Prop 8.

road.jpg Aaron Ruell from Napoleon Dynamite ain't so dynamite.

road.jpg A good question.

Here are today's earlier Prop 8 posts:

road.jpg Eyes Turn to California Supreme Court in Proposition 8 Battle [tr]
road.jpg Hollywood's Gay 'Powerati' Pissed Over Prop 8 [tr]
road.jpg Musical Theatre Under Fire for Artistic Director's Prop 8 Support [tr]
road.jpgEquality Utah Calls Bluff of Mormon Church on Gay Rights [tr]
road.jpgProtect Marriage, Prohibit Divorce [tr]
And last night's big update: Massive Proposition 8 Update: Protests, News, and Video [tr]

road.jpg And AFTER THE JUMP, a VERY unfortunate incident that happened in Palm Springs at a rally where a cross was torn from a woman's arms and stomped on the ground. This kind of behavior is deplorable imho and not the way to win hearts and minds. It's also an example of how things can get out-of-control at a demonstration — those of you who are going to protest, keep it in mind.

Watch it, AFTER THE JUMP...


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  1. that's exactly what that old woman wanted, a photo op of being terrorized by godless gays. way to play into her hand, old queens. ugh.

    Posted by: emmanuel | Nov 11, 2008 7:09:27 PM

  2. LOL! That street in Noe Valley is my old street.

    Glad my old neighbors are so subtle :-P

    Posted by: gabriel | Nov 11, 2008 7:19:36 PM

  3. Reverend Irene Monroe tells it like it is.

    Posted by: gwyneth cornrow | Nov 11, 2008 7:49:04 PM

  4. Beautifully said, Rev Monroe.

    Posted by: Q | Nov 11, 2008 7:51:48 PM

  5. What point is missing, but is overstated is how the news overblown this; however, WHAT civil rights movement has EVER been progressed WITHOUT descent? I say STOMP that F*C*ing cross or shove it up that old fossil's legally protected A-hole! Now is the time for ACT UP action to move our community forward. The days of "begging" and "pleading" for our rights are behind us. Hearts and minds have shown through the minority and elderly vote that they are NOT with us but AGAINST us, so a little Descent from exhausted activist tired of cross weilding self-righteous religious bitches is OKAY!

    Posted by: Steven | Nov 11, 2008 7:56:13 PM

  6. Don't know about other cities, but DON'T WASTE YOUR TIME on the "Impact" event "planned" for San Francisco Saturday. You'd be better off staying at home and reading some accounts of how REAL agents of change, such as the Montgomery bus boycott, and the interstate bus riders, and those who sat in at lunch counters, all to eliminate Jim Crow laws, and ACT UP which totally changed the way the government and drug companies were responding to AIDS.

    All that the kids [and they are kids in the worst way] are impacting in SF Saturday are bowels.

    I wrote the organizers, suggesting they protest at the home of the homohating SF Archbishop who conspired with Mormons to pass H8TE rather than another giant circle jerk in front of City Hall where EVERYONE supports us. Her[?] response:

    "... it's about coming together as a community. We're holding the rally at City Hall because
    (a) it's the center of civic life/power in SF and organizing there has immense symbolic value. It shows that GLBTQI people are active citizens engaged in their communities, there are a lot of us, and we will support legislators and politicians that support us.
    (b) on a more pedestrian note, it's a huge open plaza and flat, so it's easier for handicapped access and holding a big gathering."

    In other words: it IS a giant circle jerk...but with handicapped access.

    Take it to the Archbishop's house, take it to Mormon meeting places, take it to the businesses easily identified of YES donors. But STOP DOING NOTHING MORE THAN JERKING EACH OTHER OFF FOR CHRIST'S SAKE!

    Posted by: Leland Frances | Nov 11, 2008 8:01:44 PM

  7. The "Fuck Mormons" sign on the house is called Standing up against the bigotry of the Radical Religious Extremists. Why should Religion be free of challenges to their behavior?

    Posted by: Sargon Bighorn | Nov 11, 2008 8:11:05 PM

  8. The scene of the Cross being stomped REMINDS me of the days when GAY people were STOMPED and then BURNED ALIVE AT THE STAKE by "Christian" Mobs. It's time to stand up against the Radical Religious Extremists with the same zeal that Bush dropped bombs on the Taliban in Afghanistan.

    Posted by: Sargon Bighorn | Nov 11, 2008 8:16:41 PM

  9. Look, I'm all for acting up & shoving crosses up old guys' assholes or whatever, but I just wanted to point out that for the NYC protest tomorrow (Wed), the sidewalk in front of the church on Columbus Ave has been mostly blocked off due to construction for quite some time. Just hope people took that into consideration. And it's at that weird triangular intersection where being "across the street" still isn't directly in front of the building. So where are people gonna go? Where will they position themselves?

    Posted by: Matt | Nov 11, 2008 8:43:16 PM

  10. Great that El Coyote is running scared. But Scott Eckern and the California Musical Theatre have totally told the gay community to go f@#% itself by their silence. They are making no statements because they don't give a sh(* about us. Absolutely unbelievable when you consider how much money we've given them. BOYCOTT TIME!

    Posted by: dez | Nov 11, 2008 8:44:30 PM

  11. a) Nate Silver has an article up on Prop 8. He points out that the real demographic breakdown is not race, but age. That in fact the new voters did not vote in favor of Prop 8. It was older voters. The reality is that if everyone below 50 had voted, but no one above 50 had voted, Prop 8 would have failed. He says that this demographic shift is true of African Americans as well.

    b) I think the greatest thing that is coming out of Prop 8 is a growing awareness that both the black and gay communities need to work together to address the issues between us.

    Posted by: The Gay Numbers | Nov 11, 2008 8:47:47 PM

  12. Until gays are a majority and don't need the vote of those non-gay, we're going to need the support of those not gay. Snatching a religious symbol out of an old lady's hands and stomping it set us back from that goal many years. That video clip will be used by our detractors to raise millions of dollars to be used against us. That was very short sighted. This torch wielding mob incident is in no way parallel to the wonderful work Act-Up did.

    Posted by: Brix | Nov 11, 2008 8:48:29 PM

  13. I don't care what Nate Silver black people a pass on voting for inequality simply because we don't go talk to them is a ridiculous excuse. Somehow it is okay to say we should march on the Mormons who supported this, but not part our lips with one disparaging word about the 70% of blacks who voted for it (whether the total number was enough to change the outcome or not, it certainly didn't help) as if it is somehow OUR fault they vote that way? The one group who should be the most sensitive to inequality by our government in this country? Please. You will never convince me that it isn't because they see homosexuality as a white thing and a weak thing and that is why so many on are the "DL" about it and why should they stand up for a bunch of white gays and lesbians, as if their community isn't as impacted by this as any other? The idea they get a pass only means we think they are too stupid to know that it is wrong. Which is RACIST and IGNORANT. They don't get a pass, sorry.

    Posted by: Caleb | Nov 11, 2008 8:55:45 PM

  14. I've been going to El Coyote for years and know Marjorie and her family. They are the most pro-gay, supportive and friendly group of people you would want to meet. Marjorie is not very savy (picture stepford wife) but she is so sweet. I suspect her church told her to do something and she did it. While that's not an excuse, I want to talk to her and find out what the hell was she thinking. She and her family are so supportive of gay employees and their gay families. Majorie even sponsored several employees to do the AIDS ride. You always see Marjorie sitting down with the gay customers. She sits down with my husband and me all the time. That donation was so stupid of her. She's got some 'splainin' to do.

    Posted by: Brix | Nov 11, 2008 8:58:23 PM

  15. OH NO not EL COYOTE !

    Stupid lady - she calls people her friends yet takes orders from her religion to take away their rights and enforce that they be made citizens in a lower caste than she.

    I loved the Margaritas there - and the Hollywood ghosts.

    Sharon Tate had her last meal there before being slaughtered by Manson's cult --- hmmm seems like dangerous brainwashed cult members seem to be the common thread.

    Until I see she has donated at least $200 to repeal Prop 8 she can shove that free lunch.

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    Posted by: RJP3 | Nov 11, 2008 9:00:02 PM

  16. Two questions...where and when can I get a bumpersticker which says FUCK MORMONS?

    Second, I have gone to el Coyote for many years, and known Margie for as long. My sons know her, my nephews do to. El Coyote is filled with families, gay and straight. I'm surprised at Margie's donation to Yes on 8. It surprises me that with so many gay patrons, she did not think about what this meant to people who support HER life.

    Rather than turning this into shame, lets all go to the lunch she is offering, and maybe that will make her see, and the rest of her people see us for whom we are and for the rights we deserve.

    She, and the rest of her people should begin to see this not as an issue about religion, or a challenge to THEIR values, but rather as an extension of basic human rights, to everyone. This is about hearts, love and not relagion.

    Meanwhile, I'm going to find that bumper sticker, and if things dont change, I'm putting one on the car.

    Posted by: Tp, | Nov 11, 2008 9:00:10 PM

  17. When I was a teenager growing up in conservative enclave, Irvine, CA, I read several essays by Larry Kramer, who I thought, at the time, was an hysterical krank. Today, I think of him as a profit--he never pulls a punch, and though much of what he writes seems extreem, sadly it is also rooted in truth. While I do not in any way advocate tearing a doddering old woman's cross from her hands, I certainly understand it, and it is hard to walk that fine line in the early stages of a movement--which is where we now stand. I'm just so happy that the community is showing signs of waking up and caring again. May we all wake up and stay awake, change is coming.

    Posted by: Mike | Nov 11, 2008 9:03:50 PM

  18. Why is religion given the special privilege to not be scrutinized by society? What is the reverence given to this group? I don't get it. They can lynch people, literally and metaphorically, in the name of something that cannot and shall not ever be proven by science to be anything but a delusion, yet we as gay people and people of color are constantly having to endure their supposed "morally superior" bullshit all the time. Why do we allow them to do this?

    I live in New York, and I don't have it as hard here in the way of social abuse as the rest of the country and I feel very lucky for that. But I do still have to ignore a lot of it on a pretty regular basis now that NYU has taken over everything. The fact that I can't hold my boyfriends hand in public in Brooklyn is because I would have to put up with a lot of stupid, over-privileged assholes whose parents set them up with a trust fund staring at us and making comments. I do it anyway, but I have to say that at times I fear for our continued safety.

    I'm tired of being afraid. I moved here to this wonderful city so I could be free from the tyranny of the rest of the country. And I'm still afraid. And I'm tired of people telling me to "be the adult", "play it safe", "don't stoop to their level", "violence is not the answer". You know what? I love that "FUCK MORMONS" sign posted above, and it displays my sentiments exactly. (What, I'm being told that I can't have my rights by a group of people who believe in magic underwear?) I think we ought to be more aggressive with our tactics instead of being nice all the time. Why do they deserve out patience and tolerance? I have run OUT at this point People need to fear us so they'll stop picking on us. I'm tired of people having an opinion of my sexuality, but if they have to have one, I'd rather they be afraid to say it to my face instead of spitting it on me.

    Religion is destroying the world, not us. They need to learn that they can no longer have the power to destroy us and everything else with it.

    Posted by: Michael | Nov 11, 2008 9:15:33 PM

  19. Caleb, you are a racist flamer and you hate Black people. We get it.

    Now STFU already. Damn.

    Posted by: Q | Nov 11, 2008 9:26:14 PM

  20. As a token black person, I'm going to go ahead and stand up for Caleb. Black people voted, in huge numbers, to pass Prop 8, and those that did should be held accountable for their votes and actions.

    I'm also going to boycott El Coyote, because being pro-gay when it comes to AIDS rides and sociability is quite different than donating money and subsequently voting to deny us rights. To say "but she's so pro-gay!" reminds me of Mrs. Millie's exhortation during "The Color Purple": "I've always been nice to coloreds!!!"

    Posted by: Cameron Johnson | Nov 11, 2008 10:02:15 PM

  21. This post by Andrew Sullivan is far more enlightening as to why many Mormons may have donated to Yes on Prop 8. (Summary: Church HQ holds the right to excommunicate if you dissent.)

    I do think that the Rev. Monroe has the right idea. Andy, thank you for denouncing the f' mormons sign and the cross desecration.

    We need to take the higher ground, and show positive examples of gay relationships. AFAIK there are no laws saying we can't buy ad-time during non-political seasons. Buy a bunch of 60 second spots highlighting positive relationships and what marriage would mean to them/us.

    Posted by: AED | Nov 11, 2008 10:02:34 PM

  22. The link didn't show up, sorry:

    Posted by: AED | Nov 11, 2008 10:04:03 PM

  23. I totally get where you are coming from Michael.I am so sick and tired of some gays saying lets play nice,lets be the adult,yada yada yada,bull-ssssshit!You think that kind of approach got us anything during the stonewall riots?Get the Fuck outta here wit that bullshit.Im also sick and tired of bitter homos who are so unhappy and insecure with themselves that they gotta talk shit and start drama with their other gay peers.How about take that bitterness and direct it toward the real problem (the homophobic,anti-gay heteros) who have been oppressing gays & lesbians for many many many years.Further more reading some of the ignorant comments on this blog,Ive noticed some of you tend to believe that gay people only come as white.Talk about being a racist HOMO.Get a fuckin clue you self-loathing racist bitches.Gay people come in all forms,we are black,we are white,we are latino,we are asian,we are christian,we are jewish,we are short,we are tall,fat,skinny,long hair,short hair,bald,we are scattered all over the country and all over the world.Most of all we are all GAY and we are ALL on the same boat.So I suggest you stop being a bunch of BIGOTS and accept that fact that we all are in this together.What I see is part of the reason why we have not got that far in the civil rights department is partially because my gay peers have yet to learn to stick together and it sickens me.Truth be told,if we are gonna get anywhere with claiming our rights,some of us really need to change our attitudes.The envious and jealous attitude that Im seeing in some gays is really pissing me off.All this so-called resentment we have toward one another should be put to good use and directed toward those who oppress us.Wake the fuck up.ALL OF U.Jesus Christ,Mary and Joseph.

    Posted by: Get Jazz | Nov 11, 2008 10:12:44 PM

  24. OK, I the first time I ate at El Coyote was in 1975 when I was a freshman at USC. The last time was this past Monday afternoon. I have eaten there regularly for 33 years. I have met Marjorie several times and she was at the restaurant meeting with someone while I was there on Monday.

    I am shocked by this post, but I took the time to call El Coyote and tell them I will never eat there again. For someone who is so religious she pours an incredibly strong Margarita, and the staff always try to talk you into a double.

    Doesn't sound very Moromon to me...

    Posted by: Diogenes | Nov 11, 2008 10:18:39 PM

  25. CALEB --- I 100 Percent agree with you.
    NO PASS for African Americans who are anti-gay. As you said - they more than anyone - should know the history of religion being used to keep people second class citizens.

    Of course they are stuck in the mindset that their only diffrence is skin color and hair texture - while we are perverts.

    They find the comparison offensive - I get it. Still NO PASS.

    Posted by: RJP3 | Nov 11, 2008 10:18:57 PM

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