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Massive Proposition 8 Update: Protests, News, and Video


road.jpg PROTESTS: New Yorkers, there's a peaceful demonstration THIS WEDNESDAY outside the Mormon Temple in Manhattan at 6:30 pm. Please bring SIGNS and/or CANDLES. There's a NATIONWIDE action being planned called JOIN THE IMPACT for November 15th. Check HERE for details for your city. There's also march on Salt Lake City being organized. Protest signs for download.

road.jpg In case you missed it, earlier today I posted about Drew Barrymore and James Franco joining the Silver Lake protest, and over the weekend posted about the Salt Lake, San Diego, and San Francisco demonstrations.

road.jpg Anderson Cooper discusses Proposition 8 with Jeffrey Toobin, Roland Martin, and Hilary Rosen.

road.jpg Weekend marches also included San Jose: "Dozens of gay-marriage advocates gathered Friday in downtown San Jose to protest voter approval this week of a state constitutional amendment that California will recognize marriage between a man and a woman only. 'Demand resolution, give us back our constitution!' chanted the crowd of about 75 gay and heterosexual Silicon Valley residents gathered at the Plaza de Cesar Chavez as passing cars honked their horns in approval." And Sacramento. There were dozens of additional protests all across California. 15 were arrested in Long Beach.

road.jpg Students in Fresno, 40 of them, blockaded the entrance to City Hall today in protest of the mayor's support of Prop 8.

road.jpg ROTTEN TEETH: 102 out of 103 dentists voted for Proposition 8?

road.jpg Tonight on Los Angeles area radio station KPFK from 8-9, there is a radio show regarding Proposition 8 featuring journalist Karen Ocamb, Equality California's Geoff Kors, Lambda Legal's senior legal counself Jenny Pizer, deputy campaign manager for 'No on 8' Sky Johnson, and activist Ron Buckmire.

Ldschurchvandalroad.jpg Vandals attack 3 LDS churches in Layton, Utah: "It has happened on the heels of vandalism at LDS church buildings in California that appears to be in retaliation for supporting prop 8, the so called Ban Against Gay Marriage. What investigators were trying to find out Sunday was it the motive in Layton? As LDS Church members arrived for services Sunday morning they were greeted with shattered glass. Julian Berglund said when she saw the vandalism she was scared. 'Seeing my church where I come every Sunday… it kind of just hurt in a way.' Julian’s mother, Pat Berglund, said, 'I feel badly for those people that have such anger within them that they would do something like this… I just hope that people’s hearts will be softened, that they will realize the Gospel… teaches us to love one another and not do things like this.'"

Temecularoad.jpg Lesbian couple feels post-election isolation in conservative neighborhood, nails sign to tree: "Shall we vote on your marriage now?"

road.jpg Protests outside Mormon Temples stop Mormon marriages: "Whenever opponents of Proposition 8, the ballot measure that eliminates the right of gays and lesbians to legally marry in California, protest outside a Mormon temple, they effectively stop church members from getting married, according Levi Jackman Foster, an ex-Mormon who lives in West Hollywood. Foster, a 22-year-old, openly gay man, should know. As the great-great-grandson of Nathaniel Tanner, one of the founders of the Mormon Church, Foster has an intimate knowledge of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. The ex-Mormon is also related to Levi Jackman, who surveyed the land where the church created its national headquarters in Salt Lake City, Utah. 'A temple is the only place (Mormons) can get married,' Foster says, 'if they want to get sealed to God.' A Mormon temple, in other words, plays a vital role in a religion that strongly promotes marriage among its members. 'Whenever protesters show up,' Foster explains further, 'they close the gates (at the temple) so no one can get in. It becomes a convent where no one can get married.'"

Ddrinkingfountainroad.jpg FLASHBACK: Mormons gave $500,000 of total $600,000 budget to try and ban same-sex marriage in Alaska in 1998. (via americablog)

road.jpg Sorry California, and shame on the LDS church.

road.jpg Roman Catholic Church in the U.S. thanks its supporters for passing Proposition 8: "Cardinal Roger Mahony of the Archdiocese of Los Angeles thanked his parishioners in a statement he released a day after the election. 'I am grateful to the Catholic Community of Los Angeles for your commitment to the institution of marriage as fashioned by God and to work with such energy to enshrine this divine plan into our state's Constitution,' he said." Salt Lake City's Catholic bishop John Wester seconds that.

road.jpg There was also a protest in Seattle.

Smelthammerroad.jpg California same-sex couple taking their fight to federal court: "Smelt and Hammer, both 49, went to federal court to force Orange County to marry them in 2004, but the U.S. Supreme Court refused to hear their case. Since then, their federal lawsuit has been in limbo. Now it's alive again, with a fresh twist: The complaint seeks to have the state constitution, as amended by Prop. 8, be declared unconstitutional under rights guaranteed under the U.S. Constitution, said their attorney, Richard G. Gilbert."

road.jpg Officials: 130,000 San Francisco ballots still untallied. "With an expected 20,000 ballots processed per day going forward, the counting will take until the end of next week, maybe longer, according to Arntz, who said he has 400 staff members and temporary workers on the task."

road.jpg Lee Stranahan: Four lessons gay marriage activists can learn from Obama.

road.jpg A CBS News report on the Prop 8 protests and interview with George Takei,

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  1. I also noticed there was a high number of dentists who were listed as having donated to Prop 8. Odd!

    Posted by: peterparker | Nov 10, 2008 6:10:16 PM

  2. Sadly, there are huge amounts of misinformation leading many to conclude that Mormons bear some vendetta against homosexuals.

    Fortunately, this is not the case. Even church leaders have officially stated that they do not oppose civil unions so that gays may obtain the rights they deserve. Mormon reasons for opposing prop 8 are subtle and not well understood by most gay marriage proponents, so they accept the most obvious reasons for Mormon opposition to homosexual marriage: that they must hate gays and wish to prohibit their lifestyle.

    I respect the right of gay marriage advocates to protest, but they should do so with a correct understanding of the LDS church's position on gay rights.

    Posted by: Will | Nov 10, 2008 6:37:25 PM

  3. I posted this elsewhere, but think it is worth repeating...In regards to demonstrations against discrimination against gays, I have to ask, where is Chicago or Atlanta? New York is ready. The hometown of Barack Obama is silent. The south is silent. It only took a couple days for illegals to organize and march against our country in major cities, however, gays are so disorganized with too many "Chiefs and not enough Indians", that the gay community is like a dysfunctional child. No wonder the church can walk all over us. No wonder we lost four ballot issues this election.

    A UK artist has provided some poster art @ for use as posters, website art, etc.

    Didn't anti-gay Dr. James Dobson's Focus on the Family just get inducted into the radio Hall of Fame in Chicago? Any protests or are Chicago gays celebrating Barack Obama's election and not working for/with the rest of the gay community??

    Posted by: MP | Nov 10, 2008 6:43:37 PM

  4. Please stop calling them LDS! They can call themselves whatever they want, but after this action of hatred, they will NEVER be saints!

    Posted by: greg | Nov 10, 2008 7:12:32 PM

  5. 'Will', you sound like you are accepting the Mormon rhetoric. They are trying to make amends after all their lies. They didn't think it would backfire on them. They are trying to appear as the oppressed instead of the oppressor. They are playing games. Again, trying to make gays the enemy of society. Did you know that Mormon's cannot marry outside of the temple? They can't go to a justice of the peace, the ceremony has to be in the temple. They say they just don't want gays using the word "marriage'. Brings back memories of when the Olympic committee banned gays from using the words "Gay Olympics". I found the below posted at another site....

    "Marriage" is generic, "holy matrimony" is the sacrament when it takes place in the church. If I am not mistaken, the word "marriage" is not even used in church weddings. Here are a few other definitions of marriage:

    1. "any close or intimate association or union: the marriage of words and music in a hit song"
    2. "a blending or matching of different elements or components: The new lipstick is a beautiful marriage of fragrance and texture."
    3. "Cards. a meld of the king and queen of a suit, as in pinochle."
    4. "a piece of antique furniture assembled from components of two or more authentic pieces."

    Gay humans are less than antique furniture or a deck of cards. There are even marriage ceremonies for pets. You don't see the church protesting antique dealers, card players or pet owners. What this was, was pure discrimination. Since Bush 43 has been in office, religion has taken a strong hold politically.

    I loved how the churches talk about democracy, especially when they are the largest socialist entity in the world. The church is known for discrimination. They decide who and who can't be members, they decide who they want to marry and who they don't (besides gays, some will not marry anyone who was divorced and that was not going to change if Prop 8 was defeated). Organized religion is run by a dictatorship. The followers are told what to do, and they do it. All the clergy says, 'in accordance with God', and like puppets on a string they jump. It is sad that the Bible, aka the 'good book'. is used for hate.

    Posted by: MP | Nov 10, 2008 7:16:45 PM

  6. Zachary Quinto (Heroes) was also there

    Posted by: Alex Paris | Nov 10, 2008 7:20:52 PM

  7. "No wonder the church can walk all over us. No wonder we lost four ballot issues this election."

    What about the eleven ballot initiatives we lost on same-sex marriage in 2004, including in my own state of Ohio? There was virtually NO OUTCRY in 2004 anywhere, that I can recall.

    Better late than never but why is California so special?

    Posted by: elg | Nov 10, 2008 7:22:47 PM

  8. 1. Fuck you Mormon Troll Will. And NOT in the GOOD way!

    2. Unless Anderson Cocksucking Coward Cooper came out in the interview linked he's no better than our HONEST enemies. He's the kind of self-serving prick who, were he Jewish and this 1933, he'd be standing outside the camps reporting on their interesting shaven heads.

    3. Unless Hillary Rosen, Former Consort of Elisabeth the Queen Birch, who when Birch was head of HRC CASTRATED the movement, turning it into a nothing more than a worthless moneysucking machine.

    4. Ya want evidence of religous collusion even as they try to deny it? See below. Too bad there's no RICO Act for those who conspire to rape the Constitution.

    “Months before the first ads would run on Proposition 8, San Francisco Catholic Archbishop George Niederauer reached out to a group he knew well, Mormons.

    Niederauer had made critical inroads into improving Catholic-Mormon relations while he was Bishop of Salt Lake City for 11 years. And now he asked them for help on Prop. 8, the ballot measure that sought to ban same-sex marriages in California.

    The June letter from Niederauer drew in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and proved to be a critical move in building a multi-religious coalition - the backbone of the fundraising, organizing and voting support for the successful ballot measure. By bringing together Mormons and Catholics, Niederauer would align the two most powerful religious institutions in the Prop. 8 battle. ..........”

    Here's the Archdiocese office telephone number:

    (415) 614-5500

    Posted by: Leland Frances | Nov 10, 2008 7:24:53 PM

  9. Hilary had some astute things to say on Prop 8, and it's refreshing to hear a sophisticated discussion of where things are and where they might go, but it continues to be surreal to hear talking heads who are gay discuss Prop 8 like it has nothing in particular to do with their lives. They probably claim they're being "objective" and that their "personal lives" are not the issue, but it creates a pretense that, for instance, Roland Martin didn't (and couldn't, since blackness isn't easily made invisible) have to adopt when he discussed race in relation to Prop 8.

    Posted by: Ernie | Nov 10, 2008 8:04:27 PM

  10. So now that the Catholics, Baptist Fundies, and the Mormons have joined forces to beat up on the gays and lesbians, and seem to be having some success with 30 states now having anti-gay laws in one form or another, are they going to go after the Jews and Muslims which do not have any Gee-sus in their dogma?

    Yes. let's become one holy nation of
    Gee-sus suckers. However, as I regard the aforementioned unholy trinity to be nothing but thieves with no honor at all, they won't be able to hold their cabal together long enough to bring about a capitulation of the First Amendment. They are biting off more than they can chew.

    They will find, I think, that with Pres. Obama, who is NOT the angry black man they think he is, a cool character who will not succumb to appeasing the base of religious fanatics.

    Posted by: James Nimmo | Nov 10, 2008 8:05:30 PM

  11. I haven't read it but am assuming the article about what WE can learn from Obama is suggesting that we lie and pretend we oppose inequality and wink to the side that that is all just puffing for moderates who want our votes? And then do nothing for the next 8 years to advance any real equality. Not supporting discriminatory legislation is the least any politician can do and while it's better than what we have had for 8 years, it isn't enough. Every minority has had to fight for equality. Bobby Kennedy stood up when it was impossibly difficult and fought for equality for blacks. Yet we praise Obama's passive stand on equality? Please. I have nothing to learn from Obama. If I want to learn, I'll go to the people who brought real change in this country. You kids need to wake up.

    Posted by: Banne | Nov 10, 2008 8:09:59 PM

  12. San Franciscans: don't waste your time going to the "Impact" event Saturday. It's clearly being run by the same kind of 20-somethings who were at the core of Friday night's event who are more focused on the thrill of screaming and taking over the streets with impunity than actual CHANGE. Apparently all that will be impacted is bowels.

    I wrote the organizers, suggesting they protest at the home of the homohating SF Archbishop rather than another giant circle jerk in front of City Hall where EVERYONE supports us. Her[?] response:

    "... it's about coming together as a community. We're holding the rally at City Hall because

    (a) it's the center of civic life/power in SF and organizing there has immense symbolic value. It shows that GLBTQI people are active citizens engaged in their communities, there are a lot of us, and we will support legislators and politicians that support us.
    (b) on a more pedestrian note, it's a huge open plaza and flat, so it's easier for handicapped access and holding a big gathering."

    In other words: it IS a giant circle jerk...but with handicapped access.

    Posted by: Leland Frances | Nov 10, 2008 8:24:34 PM

  13. Poor, poor Banne. Never got over seeing Hillary get kicked to the curb. And now labors under the delusion that someone here gives a shit what he thinks about an article he proudly refused to read—but feels the need to weigh in on anyway.

    Posted by: 24play | Nov 10, 2008 8:44:56 PM

  14. "Yet we praise Obama's passive stand on equality? Please. I have nothing to learn from Obama."

    FYI, Banne, Obama hasn't actually been president yet, honestly. Not for a minute, let alone 8 years. So it seems a tad premature to say he will do nothing to bring about change or greater equality. Unless you're psychic? Otherwise, you'll have to save that argument for a few years, and maybe you'll learn something in the meantime.

    Posted by: Ernie | Nov 10, 2008 8:46:04 PM

  15. I wonder if we are this active and as passionate about this issue before the election... could have we lose?

    Posted by: erick28 | Nov 10, 2008 9:17:01 PM

  16. Where can I find the drinking fountain cartoon on the web?

    Posted by: JAYDUB | Nov 10, 2008 9:29:33 PM

  17. "Seeing my church where I come every Sunday… it kind of just hurt in a way."


    "I feel badly for those people that have such anger within them that they would do something like this…"


    I just hope...that they will realize the Gospel teaches us to love one another and not do things like this.


    Posted by: PatrickPatrick | Nov 10, 2008 9:35:54 PM

  18. And now a quote from Brigham Young:

    "Marriage is a civil contract. You might as well make a law to say how many children a man shall have, as to make a law to say how many wives he shall have. It would be as sensible to make a law to say how many horses or oxen he shall possess, or how many cows his wife shall milk."

    Posted by: Wheezy | Nov 10, 2008 9:53:44 PM

  19. I thought San Francisco's homo hating archbishop, Cardinal Levada, has been promoted to Ratzinger's old job as head of the Inquisition in Rome.

    Is he even around for you to protest?

    Posted by: John in CA | Nov 10, 2008 10:40:31 PM

  20. Mormons are all brainwashed zombie idiots. I wish they would open their minds for a milli-second and start a discussion with gay people. But all they ever do is talk. They never listen. Pathetic.

    Where do Donnie and Marie stand on all this? Did Donnie not meet any gay folks on Broadway for Christ sake???

    Posted by: Hephaestion | Nov 10, 2008 10:53:38 PM

  21. I think the H8 signs are counter-productive. Yes, we're angry, but only coming off as bitter won't move anyone in the right direction. We need to show people why their arguments/positions are off-base and idiotic, not "hateful". I agree that what they're doing is hateful, but I just don't think that rhetoric is helpful.

    I think my sign (here in Seattle) will have these on the front and back:
    "Protect our Son/Recognize our Marriage"
    "Marriage = Love and Commitment/Not Genitalia"

    Posted by: David R. | Nov 10, 2008 10:54:18 PM

  22. I'm amazed by the paucity of donations to No on 8 that came from Wash, DC. In addition DC has been silent so far as protests. Where's the outrage? Oh that's right, people in DC think "outrage" is a dance club.

    Posted by: mike shackleford | Nov 10, 2008 11:34:25 PM

  23. Actually if you go to the sfgate page with the info about dentists contributions and search DDS you'll find that the 1 dentist who donated to No on 8 is actually a writer for the Bay Area Reporter (a gay newspaper in SF) with the last name of doDDS. :-) I didn't see any other DDSs in SF who donated either way and there are probably 100+ dentists in this city. It kind of makes me think a lot of the other DDSs could be bad search results (as in "bad search" not bad "search results")

    Posted by: Andre | Nov 11, 2008 12:37:28 AM

  24. Boycott these Mormon Owned Businesses:
    Black and Decker, Sky West, La Quinta, Franklin-Covey, American Express, Iomega, Huntsman Chemical, Oakley, Priceline Albertsons, Nu Skin, Marriot, Jet Blue, Novell, Bain Capital, Dell

    Posted by: David T | Nov 11, 2008 1:06:44 AM

  25. ELG, I put this into an email to a friend, I don't know if it is the answer to your question, but I think California was the catalyst that was needed. It is not a doomsday scenerio, but I think it may explain some things...

    "I really believe that gay organizations initially started out to work hard and help, but I think they have gotten comfortable. I think there are too many also. Some may disagree, saying we need more, but then everything is spread to thin and everyone else thinks that someone else is doing it, whatever "it" is. Then nothing gets done. In the eight years of the Bush Administration and the take over of the Republican Party by the religious right, gays have figuratively been crucified, and no one stood up to stop it. I am hoping California gays losing a right, the right to marry, awakens the sleeping community. Gays have lost position in every election in the last 8 years. I don't have the facts, but I have heard that at least 30 states have laws on the books against gay marriage, and that is all in the last few years while we slept and let them do what they wanted to us. These gay leaders, both state and federal, whom most of us have no idea who they are, are getting paid for doing absolutely nothing to further gay rights. Ten years earlier, Matthew Shepard was murdered, and we still can't get a hate crime bill passed in many states or federally. Just a year ago, Oklahoma State Representative Sally Kern stated that gays were worse than terrorists; and she just got re-elected! It just gets worse and worse."

    Posted by: CB | Nov 11, 2008 1:17:54 AM

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