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  1. David D. says

    Makes for a nice change from his predecessor, who babbled incoherently about everything at any place and time.

  2. dk says

    Translation: It took a couple of days to figure out how to spin the ugly fact that Obama and Geithner had known about the bonuses before they were paid out, but had let them be paid out anyway.

  3. says

    The press conference was playing in the other room as I was working in my home office last night, so I was sort of half-listening. When I heard Obama’s comment, I ran into the room, hit the rewind button on my DVR and watched it. Then again. And again.

    It was brilliantly executed; one wonders if Robert Gibbs paid off CNN to send someone willing to act like a real @$$#0!e, just so Barack could perform a subtle sort of SMACKDOWN. Loved it.

  4. TimO says

    Obama’s handlers need to make an effort to keep him off the television screens for a couple of days. He’s beginning to grate on the American people with so many TV interviews and appearances. Like that crotchety old bag Jack Cafferty said the other day (while making sense for a change) the President is teetering on overexposure. IMO, he needs to get behind that desk at the Oval office, get some concrete improvements in place, clean up the mess on the financial side of things, pare down that bloated gasbag he calls his budget proposal and then come on TV and show & tell the American people what he’s accomplished. Jay Leno, 60 Minutes, a 2nd primetime news conference and numerous daily appearances on network and cable news is all getting too much.

  5. says

    Well, a pressman getting indignant ! Where were the press with the hard questions for Bush these last eight years ? Where were the questions on warrentless wire tapping ? Torture ? Kidnapping ? “Extra ordinary rendition “? Where were the so called investigative journalists when the millions of dollars in bonuses were given out in 2007,2006, 2005, 2004 etc. Where were the smart investigative journalists sniffing out Madoff ? The members of the press have been poodles for 8 years; lapping at Bush’s ass; afraid to be called unpatriotic; afraid to challenge phony wars; afraid to say that the leaders of America are guilty of war crimes (see Prof.Tourley, George Washington University).
    So let the press chastise itself for its own betrayal of freedom; and let Chaney and Bush never come to Europe, arrest warrents await them, and the International Criminal Court will only be too happy to accommodate them.Finally, congress should take up the investigation of these miscreants; the press have clearly failed.

  6. jno says

    Stupid bone-headed questions. Seriously, these reporters should be fired for all their grandstanding. Why aren’t they asking any questions about the Bank rescue? Chuck Todd should be fired for his stupid “sacrifice” question. He is a joke!

  7. Derrick from Philly says

    It’s about time. We need a little less Sidney Poitier and a little more Harry Belafonte. He can be overly nice Mister Goodguy again starting Spring 2012.

  8. JeffRob says

    He is fantastic. As far as I’m concerned, he couldn’t be doing a better job. And “I like to know what I’m talking about before I speak” is exactly the message we need from our president.

    The reports of him seeming ill at ease or uncomfortable are completely unfounded. As usual, he was relaxed, confident and thorough.

  9. says

    Timo, thanks for speaking for “the american people”…I personally think it’s important for the President to speak directly to the public as often as possible, especially during a crisis like this..it’s going to be several months before there’s any significant improvement in this situation, it’s not going to be something that happens overnight, so for him to wait to “come on TV and show & tell the American people what he’s accomplished” would be pretty ridiculous.

  10. says

    Yeah, JNO, Chuck Todd asked a profoundly stupid question. Other questions were profoundly stupid too…….which proves my point, the quality of the press is abysmal. It has been abysmal for a long time .

  11. says

    People will make any excuse to trash Obama. He wasn’t my fave, I’m not entranced by his speeches or oratory skills, and I would still prefer Hillary…but goddamn, he’s had 2 months to correct 8 years worth of mega problems created by GWB. Get off his fucking back, like John “I know nothing about the economy” McCain or Sarah “I can’t name a single book I’ve read” Palin would be doing any better. That said, he does need to stop with the TV appearances for awhile. I personally think it’s ok, but it’s clearly giving off a bad perception to many Americans.

    Oh, and I also appreciate people who bother to know something about what they’re talking about before they speak. It’s a phrase I have used many times as well. Our country has gotten to the depraved point where suddenly KNOWING THINGS is considered “elitist.” People act like trillion dollar budgets and bailout plans write themselves in one evening. Fucktards.

  12. johnosahon says

    I LOVED this part right here, because he gave that bastard henry was he deserved. the man (henry) is so rude and selfish always asking one billion questions to Obama and his administration while everybody else ask one question and a follow-up. greedy BITCH.

  13. Hugo says

    I think he’s missing a little humility in his appearances, but what can you expect from politicians (any of them, really)who are basically talking non-stop about how great they are. I’m still very happy he is in the White House.

    The press corps need to get out of the nursery, though. They’re still at the Bush level of stupidity. There’s no difference between CNN or TMZ asking questions.

  14. dk says

    Um, when Bush gave angry responses to the media and claimed to know more than the media about things, he was (rightly) criticized as being petulant. But, when Obama does it, he gets complimented?

    I mean, what kind of alternative universe do people live in? I mean, news reports showed that Obama knew about the bonuses before they were handed out. Why did he do this? Do people actually think that was a good thing? Really? Wow.

    This is, of course, not to say that Presidents should generally be giving lots of thoughts to stuff. But really, Obama’s answer was entirely inappropriate given the context, and seems to me more of an attempt to shut down a legitimate line of questioning about an administration that seems prepared to save the wealthiest Americans at the expense of the average American taxpayer (and also seems prepared to pursue bad economic policy).

  15. Ken P. says

    When the commentators of Towelroad show the least bit of skepticism toward “the One” – isn’t that bad news for Obama? When the disciples start to question – could they all turn into Judas?? If the gays start to peel off, he’s in serious doo doo.

  16. Gary says

    When you are the leader of a country going through troubled times that were created by greed and violations to the Geneva Convention you have to be have your presence in every opportunity. No one said that this was going to be a easy road, but it is quite necessary to have him out there and effectively articulating his programs. Otherwise all you will here from is Cheney and Limbaugh, which both would like to see failure of the present administration so they can get back to raping the middle- and lower-classed citizens and play it ‘business as normal’.

    Remember this-the talking heads of the Conservatives are getting plenty of press about this, and they use inflammatory words in order to keep the rest of us against our own interests. And the status quo is no longer acceptable.

    What killed the recovery of the Great Depression was Conservatives that pulled back on big bills to get people back to work. History teaches us well that if we allow the discourse to solely fall upon a group that seriously wants to further divide us by class (and sexuality) then America, as a nation, will be screwed.

    The past three decades have been an effective disenfranchisement of the middle and lower classes. The ‘sheep’ kept with Bush and his felonious group to create tax breaks for the wealthy, and combined with a re-hash of ‘gun and butter’ economy we have found ourselves in a real pickle.

    If you really think America should shelve ideas of a national healthcare program I highly recommend a trip to the Emergency Room. Overwhelmed, overburdened, and potentially catastrophic if a pandemic like bird flu would come to the US. Why are they overloaded? Because insurance and the pharmaceutical lobbies have made healthcare so expensive that people wait until they must go to Emergency Rooms instead of receiving preventative healthcare.

    And then there is Education. I went to Oxford. 250 quid a year. Here NYU is $40k and rising, with a lackluster group of students and way too many MBAs all attempting to get in ‘the game’, which desperately needs regulation. Instead we see hedge funds lathering in the pensions of millions and are still trying to find loopholes to bilk the American taxpayer of trillions.

    The Industrial sector is in shambles. The Big Three of the automakers decided to discard any notion of creating fuel-efficiency, and preferred to keep churning out 8 mile-per-gallon SUVs instead of trying to get away from something that is contributing to our financing for foreign oil and environmentally catastrophic. Regarding any other industry just look at what most of your products that you buy or charge on your credit cards and see where they are made. Not much stuff made in this country.

    And last, but not least, a change in Energy Policy. It doesn’t take a Don like me to notice that there was some manipulation by Cheney during his ‘discussions’ with the energy companies. They had no problems working with all-time-high profits, which were given to the few and is funded by foreign investment. We must find a better path.

    We’ve become a nation of cubicles, fed by newsreaders misquotes from news agencies that are in the pocket of the energy companies, pharmaceuticals, and endless advertisements that made Americans sheep and overindulgent.

    So, in the midst of these troubled times we finally have an articulate Commander-in-Chief that is reaching out to make changes that will turn this country into something better than what we’ve seen for far too long. Hoover was notorious for avoiding any intervention. Let’s not forget history and avoid self-interest and greed this time. It’s the only solution you have left before China calls for it’s investment of Treasury notes. And they will.

  17. says

    DK, the difference is that Obama is demonstrably more intelligent that Bush, has been in office, oh, about 1/12th of time, and has had to deal with a record-shattering trillion dollar deficit as opposed to the surplus that Bush squandered on his selfish wars and shit. A president is not a president is not a president. What the fuck?! Why are people even COMPARING the two situatinos?

    Oh, that’s right – because they have no other argument beyond pointing fingers. Such ignorance must be nice.

  18. dk says

    So on the one hand Obama is much more intelligent than Bush (which is very likely true), yet on the other hand he it’s not his fault if his own administration was going to allow the wealthiest Americans who screwed our our economy in the first place to take bonuses for their efforts, and then tried to cover it up by denying they knew, and now are trying to make people forget by acting petulant to reporters, all the while proposing another bailout that closely resembles what Bush passed through last fall.

    Sorry, that argument may work on some, but not with me.

  19. nic says

    @DERRICK F.P.,

    your references never fail to make me smile. you are like a non-self-cherishing dennis miller, a font of info w/o trying to purposefully be abstruse to prove how smart you are. gawd how i hate that 9/11 repug midget (physical and mental). i hope that i am not offending “little people” with that comparison.

  20. Ed says

    At least we are having press conferences and the opportunity to ask questions is there. Bush held 4 or 5 a year in his first term and it was only when things went bad in the 2nd term that saw a little uptick.

    I read a story that FDR held over 1,000 press conferences. The story attributed that figure to April 1945 issue of Time.

  21. Derrick from Philly says

    “…allow the wealthiest Americans who screwed our our economy in the first place to take bonuses for their efforts”

    Weren’t the guarantee of these bonuses in place before a dime ever went to AIG? And when President Obama’s tax plan is unveiled, how many will accuse him and the Democrats of playing “class war”–soaking the rich?

    Some of y’all need to make a brief visit to hell for the next 3 years. We’ll see y’all again when Miss Sarah launches her 2012 pagent.

  22. TANK says

    It was a useless, annoying question…and his response was blown way out of proportion by a media that creates the news rather than reports it.

  23. nic says

    a velvet gloved bitch slap. i love this guy.

    this is the thing that pisses me off so much, and i’ll return to the crazed chimp in a zoo flinging shit at any and all passers-by metaphor. reasonable people want to respond reasonably to such nonsense, but sometimes it is not worth the effort.

  24. anon says

    Bush has already gone to Canada to give a well publicized speech after leaving office and escaped arrest, so don’t hold your breath for any wet-dream war crimes trials. The Europeans have little to fall back on morally as well when it is well known they were selling weapons and chemicals to Iraq during the embargo–a scandal that goes to the top of govt in both France and Germany.

  25. DonnyB says

    DK said: “when Bush gave angry responses to the media and claimed to know more than the media about things, he was (rightly) criticized as being petulant. But, when Obama does it, he gets complimented?”

    Um, when did Obama say he knew more than the media? Don’t compare apples to oranges. So Obama wanted to know the whole picture instead of offering a knee-jerk response? Oh, yeah, how terrible.

  26. says

    Lol, DK, once again hearing what you want to hear. Yes, I do blame Timothy Geithner AND Obama for first eliminating the bonuses and then allowing them. The fact that you can’t recognize that it is a near-impossible situation in which to win (there is no perfect legal or ethical solution to our economic clusterfuck) and then compare it to Bush, who came in with a clean fucking slate is so intellectually lazy or disingenuous I can’t even believe you’re for real. Such ignorance must be utter bliss.

  27. says

    If you’re a political/news/history junkie, you really should catch this week’s edition of PBS FRONTLINE about the national debt.

    Our country’s problems seem almost insurmountable. The report gives proper perspective on the deep deep hole “W” dug for us. Maybe it’s even too much for Obama to solve, especially since the GOP’s only objective is to see him fail.

    However, I am heartened by the good faith effort that the Obama Administration is taking & feel like we finally have someone in charge who understands the situation & is working on behalf of the nation rather than the predatory capitalist robber barons.

  28. jimmyboyo says

    derrick from philly and NIC

    I 100% agree

    Timo

    BS

    the polls show otherwise. The only people screaching about ‘over exposure” are the repubs who have failed on every front to critic Obama so far. Nothing has stuck. The kid is teflon coated. So now they are biatching about supposed over exposure with the media lap dogs licking it all up. There is no liberal media. BUT!!!! the polls and yes the stock market show differently. Polls after Obama talks = up up and away. The stock market while he talks goes up up up. even if closing negative at the end of the day he makes it go up so it doesn’t close as low as it was going…..for example one day it was hitting -28 and while he spoke it jumped up to just -6 = a net gain as vs going down farther.

    Oh I wish he was farther left, but I love his centrist slightly left of center self. The teflon kid

  29. nic says

    @JIMMYBOYO,

    polically astute people know that obama has to put his affability and his handsome face front and center to quell any negativity. i accept that he made a few missteps. however, i am with him for the long haul. he has a moutain of crap left by the shrub/cheney co-precidency to get over. i am willing to bring a shovel to help him out.

  30. tofer david says

    so obama is smarter than bush, that is a given.

    his time in office has been a 5/10 at best. giethner is a disaster. there are are 18 presidential appoinments to make in the treasury dept and only one has been made and that is giethner.

    obama knew damn well about the bonuses. his actions on this are no different that bushes.

    same shoe different foot or something.

    fool me once, shame on me, fool me twice but can fool me something something

  31. nic says

    @tofer david,

    “fool me once, shame on me. fool me twice… i won’t be fooled again.” i think that is closer to what the shrub said. same shoe different foot? are you drunk or just obtuse?

    obama had nothing to do with the bonuses.

  32. TANK says

    The real joke is that Geithner could have made a single phone call and had the bonuses revoked. Congress didn’t need to tax it at 90% (does the IRS apply in AIG’s london offices?), and yes, Obama’s naivete is responsible for geithner, who has NO business being where he is and not in a jail cell.

  33. nic says

    TANK,

    everytime i want to trust you, you let me down. the bonuses were writ in stone by the bush administration, and writ large by every repug in recent history who preceded him — save for t. roosevelt. this is what happens when ‘lazy fair’ economics is set free. we cannot let the reaganomamiacs run around like free range chickens. ultimately, their time will come for a neck snapping twist.

    too graphic? sorry. but i do remember my mom doing that. being a pre-pubescent queer i was apalled. however, we ate well that evening.

    this all shows to go ya, we need to man up and put food on the tables of hungry kids. the repug mode of stealing from the poor to give to the rich has never worked.

  34. TANK says

    Nic, guvment owns over 80% of AIG. Geithner could have called up Liddy and said, “look, we own you…you do as we say becase WE OWN YOU…everything you do is done on our dime because you’re our property…now do as you’re told, or else Ima kill your family and then replace you.” Secretary Goldman Sachs…er, geithner, is deeply in bed with these guys. He wouldn’t dare make them give back the bailout money bonuses that “our” (and he makes that distinction quite often…this isn’t my government…it’s yours) government issued. They know too much about his seedy past for him to put up so much as a whimper. It doesn’t matter who’s responsible (which admin), geithner could have corrected this PR debaucle (because honestly, it’s a drop in the fuckin’ ocean of money we’ve basically gifted them) something as SIMPLE as a heated, profane phone call.

  35. nic says

    yes, TANK, i know all of that. and the obama admin has shamed many greedy americans into returning the ill-gotten money. but, many of those green backs went overseas, and there is nothing we can do about it other than wring our hands or gnash our teeth or rend our clothing, or swallow that little upchuck that happens when we are trying our best to take that big dick in.

    still, the guv needs to respect legal contracts. otherwise the union contracts could be dismissed without benefit of arbitration or debate.

  36. TANK says

    No. geithner has unbelievable leverage due to the government’s holdings in AIG. He had AIG over a barrel, and could have easily threatened all measure of hell if they didn’t comply…really punitive things that would follow these assholes for the rest of their careers. And liddy could have put an emergency stop on the bonus distribution which could have lasted indefinitely.

    Respect legal contracts? Gimme a break! The government can respect a legal contract while exerting extreme pressure to not cash in on the terms of it–not a breach of the contract, mind you–their FREE choice not to take the money. We didn’t need emergency congressional action to settle this. It just expresses the insider impotence that geithner and the treasury represent.

  37. nic says

    TANK,

    this is the point when i fall back on the chestnut, “we’ll have to agree to disagree.”

    let us leave open the chance that i can use my masculine wiles to seduce you into seeing things as i see them. to start, tone down your anger.

    a while back, i invited jimmyboyo, derrick from p., zeke and who knows who else to share a martooni or three at the local wartering hole, whereever it may be. you are welcome as long as you are not the friend that i need to constanly apologize for, and shell out tons of “ones” to placate the waitress and the barkeep.

    i got your back.

  38. DanJoaquinOz says

    Ed Henry, the new Doughy McDiaper-load of the feckless MSM press, got a far more courteous, interesting and newsworthy slapdown than his moronic question remotely justified. For a truly hilarious beatdown on hapless Ed, check out the current Wonkette piece and its equally scathing comments section!

    Meanwhile, the whiney Repugs are kvetching that 1) Obama hasn’t fixed the economy in 7 weeks, after they spent 7 years destroying it; 2) Obama is ‘overexposed’ (every time he appears his approval ratings soar so it’s not hard to figure out why that exposure might “grate”); 3) Obama uses a (gasp!) teleprompter for his prepared statements(!); 4) Obama’s “trying to do to much”; And 5) my personal favourite, after MONTHS of calling Obama a socialist they’re now trying to imply he and Geithner have been too nice to Wall Street. Riiiiight, cuz we all KNOW how famously tough the GOP has been, and would be, on the robber barons of the financial elite. They have roughly as much credibility on that meme as they do on the issue of deficits, which is to say, precisely, none. They should stick to their areas of true expertise: minority vilification, Constitutional destruction and foreign policy disasters.

  39. paul c says

    Sadly, the citizens living on Towleroad once again show how much they prefer style over substance.

    Yes, it was so awesome the way he gave his bitchy non-answer when he was called on his lies and phoniness.

    Ignore the fact that we have another manipulative incompetant in the White House immediately following the last disaster. Just cheer on your guy…the one who doesn’t even support equal rights for you.

  40. says

    I agree that Geithner is a bad choice for his job as he comes from the same folk who caused this problem.

    I also think that it’s not good precedent to tax those heinous bonuses after the fact. They had a contract whether we like it or not. I know I’d be pissed if the govt decided because of popular opinion that my contract should be taxed. Taxation on a whim is pretty dangerous. Imagine what the Republicans would’ve done if they had thought they could get away with punishing whomever they felt like by going after their legal contracts? Scary.

    Many of the people who got those bonuses worked in depts that had nothing to do with the meltdown. They only took the jobs because their salary was the bonuses. I hope we can all see why it’s not good that government can make you work and then take away your money because the political wind changed. This is wrong no matter what party is in charge.

    As far as OUR President spending too much time out there, isn’t he employed by us? Don’t we deserve to know what he’s doing day to day for us? I prefer his approach to the last administrations hiding everything they did and who visited them from us. Btw, where are the records from back in the day and why has no investigation been started on exactly what they were hiding all those years?