Towleroad Guide to the Tube #456

EVOLUTION: If atheists ruled the world. All text taken directly from online Christian fundamentalist forums.

SUZE ORMAN: T.R. Knight presents Suze Orman with GLAAD's Vito Russo award for
promoting equal rights for the LGBT community in New York. Suze asked
those gathered to support corporations that support LGBT rights.

G20 PROTESTS: Police move in on demonstrators at the G20 Summit in London.

RYAN MOATS: The officer who detained Moats in a hospital parking lot to give him a speeding ticket while his mother-in-law died speaks to CBS11.

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  1. RB says

    Few people motivate me the way Suze Orman does! What a fantastic speach! Love, love, love her and everything that she stands for. We couldn’t we ask for a better spokeswoman or role model? You rock Suze!!!

  2. Jimmyboyo says


    I to loved the parody. I stopped laughing when I saw the ending. It wasn’t parody. It was word for word repeat of what is found on xtian websites and blogs. Scary!

    Oh, and this atheist would in fact say Ok on the hooker thing to any future kids of mine but take this condom and eat a pot brownie instead of smoking a joint.

  3. Paul R says

    I’d move in too if I were a cop being physically threatened by a bunch of morons. About 95 percent of those protestors don’t even know what they’re protesting, and rather than give a reasoned, cogent response will simply babble about the evils of globalization and corporations and the need for social justice. And even if their feelings are genuine, their ideas informed, and their motives pure, little of it has anything to do with the G20 and none of it is an excuse for violence.

    And none of it is any defense for injuring police officers who have zero to do with the workings of the G20.

  4. TANK says

    “I would have killed many people if not for my belief in God.” Watch that fucker…whoever typed or said that…watch him closely. Of course, they don’t actually believe that they’d engage in unethical behavior if not for god…for if they do…

    It reminds me of what bernard williams wrote about people who say things they shouldn’t that reflects their character. “I would never kill you…” It’s occurred to them as a possibility, so one should be wary of putting their trust in someone like that.

  5. HistoryFan says

    If atheists ruled the world….. Don’t say anything. Just show a photo of Mao Tse Tung.

  6. TANK says

    Oh, you don’t know what atheism is you confused, ignorant person. Atheism is not an economic and political belief system (like communism). You simply can’t infer, logically or any other way communist china or nazi germany or stalinism from atheism.

  7. 2nd Class Citizen says

    This will calm down while he performs desk duty at full pay. Dallas will return him to the streets by June. 2009 with a promotion.

  8. jimmyboy says


    I second what Sean said



    Mao Tse Tung was a high priest for the worship of the state. Communism isn’t atheism. Yes many communists might be atheists but so to a founding father of the US or 3 ++

    Worship of the state as a deity in place of a deity is not atheism

  9. AladinSane says

    All quotes were taken from “Fundies Say the Darndest Things”

    And Historyfan reminds me of the feeble attempts of Dinesh D’Souza to argue against atheism who constantly got spanked by the commenters in his blog.

  10. TANK says

    Dinesh D’Sleaza never took a public beating as hard as the one delivered by Peter Singer. D’Sleaze even had home court advantage as it was as a christianist university. It was a relentless public humiliation. It’s on youtube, and is well worth watching. That’s what happens when a pundit goes up against a philosopher (rhetoric or not).

  11. nic says

    what chaps my hide the most about these young fundies, is that they’re so secure in their ignorance, smug even, and most of the people on those types of blogs think that what was being said makes perfect sense.

    DNA is bogus because the human organism cannot withstand acid, even though that little shit takes in ascorbic acid every time he eats an orange, tomato, potato or spinach. what does he think helps him digest everything he eats? i guess it’s not stomach acid; it must be the jesus juice that he swallows daily and takes up the ass nightly.

    and the guy with the head-stocking? he must have jizzed his manties while he was using nonchristian foul language to denounce atheism, because he kept pulling stuff out of his ass with all the fire and brimstone he could muster, while jesus held his hand.

    they should respect monkeys more, since they were homes-schooled by some.

  12. HistoryFann says

    Whatever the case. I’m just saying we’ve already seen the scenario of atheists ruling the world (or wishing to) with Mao (or Stalin, or Castro, or Pol Pot, or..) However you guys want to rectify that in your own heads is your business. Not that there aren’t bad religious leaders too, but history tok a very short time to prove there’s no moral superiority (nor intellectual superiority) with atheism.

  13. nic says


    you are not a fan of history at all. you are a dilletente, a pretensious ass as bespeaks your “name”. you pick and choose whatever fits your needs, not unlike the biblical “scholars” who populate the x’tian airwaves and the right wing windbags who dominate AM radio. if you really want to compare the relative successes of non-religious people to the religious, you need look no further than the anciant greeks and romans and to the the founding fathers of our own country and then put them up against catholocism, islamists, and hindis. to put mao, stalin, castro, and pol pot in the same bag with bread-crumbs and seasonings and shake then bake, as if they were all of a piece, is intellectual and historical nonsense. still, i can clearly hear you proudly exclaiming, “and i hayulpt!”

  14. says

    The cop did nothing wrong. The driver was breaking the law, how was he supposed to know at the beginning that they weren’t lying. Because the dude is some kind of sports star, the cop should have fallen to his knees in worship.

    I think if the races were reversed, you would not being seeing any of this faux outrage.

    As for those protestors what ever happened to releasing the hounds and high powered water hoses.

  15. Derrick from Philly says

    “The driver was breaking the law, how was he supposed to know at the beginning that they weren’t lying.”

    “I think if the races were reversed, you would not being seeing any of this faux outrage”

    If the football player had been shot to death you’d still be supporting the cop.

    If nothing else, Barack & Michelle’s presence in the White House is God’s beautiful kick in the ass to people like you, OUSSLANDER. You never ever thought you’d see the day, didya’?

  16. TANK says

    “we’ve already seen the scenario of atheists ruling the world”=”monkeys don’t live for millions of years…so evolution is false” “acid dissolves living tissue, so we can’t be made of acid…”

    No, we’ve seen communists and nazis rule. Communists and nazis don’t equate to atheists, for atheism doesn’t mean communism and doesn’t mean nazism…one can be an atheist and not a communist many capitalists and socialist americans are atheists and aren’t nazis, either. One can be a nazi and a christian, too (many members of the nazi party were christian).

    Once again, you don’t know what atheism is. Atheism is not a political and economic belief like communism and nazism. It cannot be used to justify any unethical behavior, like christianity, islam and judaism can be. It’s not an ethical system…or a view about the world. It is simply the refusal to believe in something without evidence or even the possibility of evidence, and to believe that a genocidal god (who commanded mennonite genocide, for example) who is all powerful would allow people to die inconceivably horrible deaths because if illness and natural disaster (animals, too), or suffer due to the fact that there is immeasurable suffering on this planet amongst beings who are sentient, and that there always has been immeasurable suffering on this planet amongst being so capable.

  17. Carlie says

    If we believe that public servants are not supposed to behave rationally, with discretion, and common decency, then, Powell did nothing wrong.

    I find his pleading for the understanding and compassion he didn’t show a bit grotesque. “I was trying to get him to calm down.” Saying “I can screw you over” is certainly an interesting approach to calming. The next time a family member, friend or colleague is upset, we should all give that phrase a try.

    His only answer for his behavior is “I don’t know why.” He and his legal team have had two weeks to construct an answer, honest or not, and that what the Moats’ get?

    Anyone who really believes that if a black officer had done this to a white citizen, pro athlete of not, that the outrage would be equal, or greater, then you are, simply, a racist.

  18. HistoryFann says

    No, Nic, you’re the one picking and choosing to suit your own needs. And you know nothing about my religious beliefs or lack of them. I know everything about the Deism of the Founding Fathers, and enough history to know that both Fundies and Athies are equally capable of mass murder and both have no place in government. (At least the Catholics admit Torquemada was Catholic. You guys, like a bunch of babies, go screaming that Stalin wasn’t one of your own).

  19. HistoryFann says

    To be fair, I have ripped religious fundies to shreds too. It’s just that them and you Athies really are the same people. So sure of yourselves. So in denial. So grasping of only what suits you from out of the facts.

  20. TANK says

    You have repeatedly conflated atheism with communism, and nazism, and a host of other political and economic beliefs. This is not what atheism is.

  21. Jason Young says


    What about Ayn Rand? She was probably the most anti-communist person to ever live. She was an ardent defender of human liberty in this century and her ideas inspired and continue to inspire people to do great things to defend liberty and capitalism (crony or otherwise). What about Russell Bertrand, Carl Sagan, Norway, Sweden, etc? Just because some atheists do horrible things does not make all atheists horrible people. Are all Christians horrible people because Hilter murdered so many and the colonization of the world by Europe is still screwing it up to this day?

    The problem with atheism is that people will believe in something no matter what. Show me one person with no ideology (who is not mentally impaired in some way). We all believe things even if what we believe is not necessarily coherent and even if we refuse to label those beliefs ourselves. People need ‘positive’ beliefs about the world. I am a libertarian who mixes in Objectivism (and therefore atheism) and Secular Humanism into my life. I don’t know what beliefs you hold, but atheists are no more likely to be destructive than theists. To determine whether or not an atheist will be destructive of others will depend on the particular beliefs they hold which is also true of theists, such as Muslims, Hindus, Christians, Jews, etc.

    I know many atheists who are passionately anti-violence and therefore anti-state. They are as far from communists and nazis as one can be and yet you would argue that rule by any atheist would turn out this?

  22. nic says


    i think you are grossly overstating her case. i would not embrace Alisa Zinoyevna Roesenbaum, aka ayn rand too closely. she obliterated her past to blend in with western culture. she was more than willing to relinquish her fountain head to the best male available. according to her, “For a woman qua woman, the essence of femininity is hero-worship—the desire to look up to man.”

    i will never understand why rational people admire her. her lazy fair economic principles have led us into this abyss. and all of her bullshit has lent credibility to the right-wingers to dismiss equal rights for women (remember the ERA?)and gays.

    libertarianism is little better than conservatism: what’s mine is mine, and what’s yours can only help me get better.

    yes, HISTORYFANN, is stupid. and, yes, any kind of -ism is by nature bad. that is why i am an agnostic. i don’t believe in a god, but i can’t disprove its existence.