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MSNBC: 'Gays Angry at Obama'


Michelangelo Signorile, Washington Post's Jonathan Capehart, and The Nation's Katrina vanden Heuvel discuss Obama, LGBT rights, and the DOMA flap.

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  1. I really don't know what to say about President Obama and is very clumsy, uninformed and baffling lack of leadership with respect to equality for gays in America.

    Posted by: stuart | Jun 17, 2009 1:38:27 PM

  2. Jonathan Capehart, what a tool. Hows that fig leaf fitting Mr O? Seems like you are still exposed. OUCH

    Posted by: ggreen | Jun 17, 2009 1:42:39 PM

  3. Michelangelo Signorile is my new hero!

    Posted by: Steve | Jun 17, 2009 1:51:14 PM

  4. If the race in 2012 is tight this could come back and bite him in the ass.

    Posted by: patrick nyc | Jun 17, 2009 1:57:19 PM

  5. I just watched CNN Headline News (CNN HLN--not the regular CNN) and they got it ALL WRONG.

    It was a story about today's benefits for federal employees, but the anchor asked the reporter why gays were so angry. He said because Obama only backed civil unions and not gay marriage and because Rick Warren was invited to speak at the inauguration.

    So it was made to look like gays:
    (1) are crying out about nothing, i.e., that they want marriage when Obama already told them he opposes marriage equality for gays
    (2) are re-hashing the past and old news


    They have some really sloppy reporters on CNN HLN. They need to correct this. The gays aren't angry because of those two things.

    Gays are angry because they were given a 180 degree turnaround--let's just say lied to--on Don't Ask, Don't Tell and on the Defense of Marriage Act, which Obama both passionately vowed to repeal while campaigning but now has fully embraced. Not only that, he vitriolically slurred gay people by comparing them to people who engage in incest, pedophilia, and child rape in the brief he filed supporting the Defense of Marriage Act.

    Can somebody please e-mail CNN HLN about this? You can use my full text here. I don't have time since I'm at work, and I don't have time to look up the contact info to send this message to them. Hopefully this will correct their erroneous, sloppy reporting.

    Thanks everyone!

    Posted by: Barret | Jun 17, 2009 1:59:46 PM

  6. Let the fundraiser fail. Let Obama's approval fall.

    I think we all got swept up in thinking that Obama could win the fight for us. He won't do it. We need to focus on numerous smaller wins to build momentum. Send your money to Maine, there will be a referendum there in the fall. Send your money to specialized groups, have it work for us not for a party that is going to tell us to wait.

    Posted by: Washington | Jun 17, 2009 2:02:13 PM

  7. You couldn't have said it any better Barret!!!

    Posted by: Zo | Jun 17, 2009 2:09:10 PM

  8. "Let Obama's approval fall."

    On the issue of gay marriage equality? I don't think so. Let him (and the Democrats) know how angry you are. Don't give them money. But don't make threats that you don't have the political power to enforce.

    Posted by: Derrick from Philly | Jun 17, 2009 2:11:50 PM

  9. NO more crumbs from OBAMA!

    WE are pissed and need to take it to the media, state legislators, local communities, etc...empowerment is the key!

    Democrats need to earn our vote from now on!
    we really need a tird party in this country.

    Posted by: steve | Jun 17, 2009 2:14:02 PM

  10. I guess this all means we have to be satisfied with the states- the cooler, hipper ones- that are giving us marriage and look ahead to the next election and/or President.

    Posted by: Let'sFaceIt | Jun 17, 2009 2:16:17 PM

  11. One thing that I noticed about then Candidate Obama and now President Obama is that there are times where he needs to be pushed to address something. Whether it's the bubble of the White House or the bubble of the Campaign, it seems sometimes he gets focused on the immediate big picture items, like healthcare, the wars, or the economy. I think as more attention and pressure is put on the White Huse to officially address the various LGBT issues directly, the quicker we'll see a true direction. Admittingly, the ecnomy and ending wars are more important issues. Could they be handled at the same time...maybe. My concern is that right now the President has plenty of political clout to use to strongarm congress to act of these issues. He won't have that after the first of the year due to the mid-terms. He's not going jepardize the majorities the Dems have in congress if he can help it. He may be being politically smart right now, but at the same time this issue isn't going away and will only cause him political grief on the other end.

    Posted by: Ray | Jun 17, 2009 2:47:52 PM

  12. I know the President flipped on his early position in favor of gay marriage during his presidential campaign, but really given the current state of affairs and how far we have come, that position is unacceptable and is an insult to all of us in itself.

    Posted by: Rafael | Jun 17, 2009 2:54:12 PM

  13. I was willing to give Obama time. Six months in, I figured he'd step up to the plate sooner or later. I was hoping for sooner because of his campaign promises but willing to wait for later because of the economy and other pressing matters in this country. But when the DOJ came out with this repulsive, antiquated defense of DOMA that in essence compared us to an uncle wanting to fuck his 14 year old neice, and Obama ALLOWED it, sorry, the time for patience is over. We gave him our money, we gave him our vote and he played politician and turned on us. That is the only way one can look at it unless you an apologist for this President.

    He's proved to be what they call a "pussy" in my old neighborhood. And a liar. And this "I'm allowing a few federal employees to move up a seat from the back of the bus," bullshit ain't flying.

    Where's the President we elected? Obama should be ashamed, embarrassed, and buried under the pressure for equality and justice. When Dick Cheney is more progressive than you, it's stomach-churning.

    Posted by: Bart | Jun 17, 2009 3:02:56 PM

  14. When I watched the Brian Williams interview, I came away with how cold Obama was, despite Brian being overly cute and personable. Obama goes to the fast food place, Obama catches the basketball, Obama visits underlings--all with nary a smile or warm tone. I sometimes wonder if he's a functioning autistic or emotionally stunted to the point he can't grasp another person's pain. It's that kind of disconnect we so loved in anecdotes about W.

    Posted by: woodroad34 | Jun 17, 2009 3:06:49 PM

  15. Maybe it's time to get "Act UP!" back in action.

    I voted for Obama, campaigned for him and expected him to act on DOMA and DADT within the first few months. After the DOJ's antics the other day, I'm pissed.

    There's no one in the GOP I could possibly vote for, but believe me, if nothing is done on GLBT issues during this term, I'll be looking elsewhere for the next Missouri primary.

    Posted by: Russ Weiss | Jun 17, 2009 3:09:09 PM

  16. Comparing Gays to PEDOPHILES?? Come ON!!

    I can take a lot of shit, but when I am compared to cathlick priests, mormons, and other phony religionistas, THAT'S where I gotta draw the line!

    Posted by: MikeinSanJose | Jun 17, 2009 3:11:18 PM

  17. Barret - I dont watch CNN anymore because of that reason. they did the same thing with the rick warren thing. they were all "oh he is against same sex marriage" when i was actually upset that he compared me to beastilaity and incest!


    Posted by: David | Jun 17, 2009 3:31:12 PM

  18. Dear President Obama, Thanks for the nifty olive branch of "some" benefits granted to a "few" gay people. It will go beautifully with my dry floral arrangement and is just as useful since it is only cosmetic and so 1990's. However, you were voted in for change, remember? The kind you can believe equality, employment non-discrimination and the right to serve your country openly. XOXO Love Mavi

    Posted by: Mavi | Jun 17, 2009 3:39:50 PM

  19. Fact: More people now watch MSNBC than CNN.
    Fiction: Much of what's reported on CNN.

    Posted by: Bruno | Jun 17, 2009 3:43:41 PM

  20. Barret

    CNN foolishness is easily explained

    CNN owned by Time Warner. Controling amount of Time Warner stock owned by Saudis. Saudis very fundie religious

    Posted by: Jimmyboyo | Jun 17, 2009 4:24:33 PM

  21. @Bart and MikeinSanJose,

    There was no moral comparison equating gays to incestual relationships in the DOJ report. As stated in the link provided:

    "The brief compares a state's legal (not moral) right to reject another state's same sex marriage with a state's legal (not moral) right to reject another state's marriage between relatives, etc. What Maddow, NYT, HRC, and others are doing is conflating a legal comparison (which is totally inoffensive) with a moral equivalency (which would be extremely offensive)."

    Posted by: soulbrotha | Jun 17, 2009 4:57:27 PM

  22. Oh and you too, David.

    Posted by: soulbrotha | Jun 17, 2009 4:59:35 PM

  23. Thanks, Soulbrotha, for making that distinction. It's driving me crazy listening to folks take the case cites in the DOJ brief out of context. Those cases are mentioned just for the reasons you stated. Yeah, I have been wanting Obama to at least outline what his program on LGBT issues would be. Having watched his campaign, there were multiple times when folks were wondering if he was using the right strategy. I have a suspicion that he's still focused on the big picture. Maybe he actually wants LGBT folks and straight allies to get vocal and show that there is support for policy change. There's not much that happens accidentally with this guy. But, since the tight campaign has given way to the administration, there's more likelihood of clumsiness in execution. I think in the end, we'll be where we want to be.

    Posted by: Albert | Jun 17, 2009 5:33:11 PM

  24. "maybe he's going to" "maybe he's planning to" "maybe he's thinking" "maybe he'll" "he must be"


    The Democrats have screwed us again, just like they always do - because we let them.

    Posted by: mcquaidLA | Jun 17, 2009 5:50:38 PM

  25. I have an idea. Obama is short on time, a lot on his plate, but he golf's every Sunday? So, in order to be our "champion" President Obama, how about sacrafising your golf time for the next 12 months and use that time to work with leaders to create a bill and submitt to congress. For all rights, do not dabble, do not give us an olive branch. GIVE US THE TREE! Do not tell us you have too much on your plate when you are out golfing and ignoring your promises to gay America. Seperate, not equal. Action! Not Words!

    Posted by: David | Jun 17, 2009 6:00:12 PM

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