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Hearing on Prop 8 Federal Challenge Today; NYT Profiles Ted Olson


Attorney Ted Olson is profiled in today's NYT, explaining how he came about taking on the case against Proposition 8:

"Given the traditional battle lines on the issue, Mr. Olson’s decision to file a lawsuit challenging California’s recent ban on same-sex marriage has stirred up stereotype-rattled suspicion on both sides. 'For conservatives who don’t like what I’m doing, it’s, ‘If he just had someone in his family we’d forgive him,’' Mr. Olson said. 'For liberals it’s such a freakish thing that it’s, ‘He must have someone in his family, otherwise a conservative couldn’t possibly have these views.’ It’s frustrating that people won’t take it on face value.'"”

Ted Olson's "Supreme Court Adventure" is also taken up by Eugene Volokh, U.C.L.A. Law School, Kenji Yoshino, N.Y.U. School of Law, Amy Wax, University of Pennsylvania Law School, and Evan Wolfson, Freedom to Marry, in the paper's Room for Debate column.

Olson_boies At 10 am this morning, a hearing regarding the challenge to Prop 8 brought by Olson, Boies, and the American Foundation for Equal Rights will be held in San Francisco, according to a media advisory:

In documents filed with the court in advance of the hearing, defenders of Proposition 8 cited slain San Francisco Supervisor Harvey Milk as evidence that LGBT political power is “substantial” enough to undermine plaintiffs’ constitutional challenges to Prop. 8. They also question the quality of LGBT families and say Proposition 8 is appropriate because discrimination against the LGBT community is “increasingly rare.”

At the hearing, attorneys Olson and Boies – on behalf of plaintiffs Kris Perry & Sandy Stier, and Paul Katami & Jeff Zarrillo -- will argue for a proceeding that demonstrates that Proposition 8 is unconstitutional “under any standard of review,” and that any facts that cannot be resolved in plaintiffs’ favor as a matter of law be decided through a full and public trial. Defenders of Proposition 8 say “a trial is not necessary , ” even as to hotly disputed facts.

"Granting the right to marry would not damage, inhibit, or impair any rights of individuals who wish to marry persons of the opposite sex or otherwise impair any legitimate state interest. Prop. 8 is therefore unconstitutional under any standard of review," Olson and Boies wrote in court filings.

Despite their call for a 'paper' trial, defendants are asking that the judge not hear oral arguments until July 2010 at the earliest, while Olson and Boies, citing the ongoing violation of constitutional rights caused by Proposition 8, are requesting a trial starting in December 2009.

The Defenders of Prop. 8 “urge the Court not to follow the steps through which trial courts traditionally build factual records and decide cases— discovery, followed by motions for summary judgment, followed by trial,” according to papers filed with the court by Olson and Boies. A paper trial of disputed facts is “neither just nor efficient. It would deprive Plaintiffs of the opportunity to build a complete factual record, to present their case through live witness testimony, and to cross-examine in open court those who seek to defend and justify the denial of their constitutional rights. It would similarly deprive the Court of the opportunity to question fact and expert witnesses and to assess their credibility in Court.”

This is the second hearing in the case since it was filed in late May. In an order issued just prior to the July 2 hearing, Judge Vaughn R. Walker of the U.S. District Court, Northern District of California, said: "Given that serious questions are raised in these proceedings ... the court is inclined to proceed directly and expeditiously to the merits of plaintiffs' claims. ... The just, speedy and inexpensive determination of these issues would appear to call for proceeding promptly to trial.”

Perry, Stier, Katami and Zarrillo comprise two same-sex couples who wish to be married but, because of Proposition 8, have been denied marriage licenses.

“This unequal treatment of gays and lesbians denies them the basic liberties and equal protection under the law that are guaranteed by the Fourteenth Amendment of the United States Constitution,” their suit states.

According to the suit, Proposition 8: Violates the Due Process Clause by impinging on fundamental liberties; Violates the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment; Singles out gays and lesbians for a disfavored legal status, thereby creating a category of “second-class citizens.”; Discriminates on the basis of gender; Discriminates on the basis of sexual orientation.

More details on the case (regarding attys Olson and Boies, and the plaintiffs), as described by the advisory, AFTER THE JUMP...


Olson is a former U.S. Solicitor General who represented George W. Bush in 2000’s Bush v. Gore, which decided the presidential election. Boies represented Al Gore in that case. Olson, widely regarded as one of the nation’s preeminent constitutional lawyers, has argued 55 cases in the U.S. Supreme Court. Boies ranks as one of the leading trial lawyers of his generation, having secured landmark victories for clients in numerous areas of the law. This is the first time they have served alongside each other as co-counsel.

“More than 30 years ago, the United States Supreme Court recognized that marriage is one of the basic rights of man,” the suit states, referring to the Court’s decision in Loving v. Virginia, which struck down bans on interracial marriage.

Kris Perry and Sandy Stier have been together for 9 years and are the parents of four boys. Perry is Executive Director of First 5 California, a state agency that promotes education and health for children under five. She holds a BA from UC Santa Cruz and an MSW from San Francisco State University. Stier is Information Technology Director for the Alameda County Behavioral Health Care Services Agency. She is originally from Iowa and is a graduate of the University of Iowa.

Perry and Stier first tried to marry in 2004, after the City of San Francisco began issuing licenses. They live in Berkeley, CA. Paul Katami and Jeff Zarrillo have been together for 8 years. Katami is a fitness expert and business owner who graduated from Santa Clara University before receiving his graduate degree from UCLA. Zarrillo is the General Manager of a theater exhibition company. A native of New Jersey, Zarrillo graduated from Montclair State University. Having wanted to marry each other for more than two years, they considered options including traveling to other states for a “civil union,” but felt any alternative fell short of marriage. They live in Burbank, CA.

They have issued the following joint statement: “We and our relationships should be treated equally under the law. Our goal is to advance the cause of equality for all Americans, which is the promise that makes this nation so great.”

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  1. Proposition 8 is appropriate because discrimination against gay people is increasingly rare? So, what? That means they need to make some more to fill the vacuum?

    That makes no sense.

    Posted by: MT | Aug 19, 2009 8:17:40 AM

  2. the prop 8 defenders' claims made no sense at all, and their use of Milk in their defense was unbelievable.

    this is going to be good.

    fuck yeah

    Posted by: anon | Aug 19, 2009 8:41:22 AM

  3. To me, it is obvious that Prop 8 is unconstitutional. If the judge is unbiased he'll have to reach the same conclusion. I also hope that the judge keeps the gay groups who came out against this case from joining.

    Posted by: Mike | Aug 19, 2009 8:46:13 AM

  4. It's about time this federal challenge gets underway. Maybe it's a good thing that California is waiting until 2012 to take the issue back to the ballot. This gives the federal challenge more time to run its course, and ALL states would benefit if the outcome is fair.

    Posted by: Kelly Atlantic City | Aug 19, 2009 8:55:09 AM

  5. After reading this article, it seems that Olson/Bois are ready to fight for the illegality of Prop 8. Good for them! Unlike the attorneys that showed up a couple of months ago to do that and they looked so unprepared and nervous...

    Posted by: Chris in Long Beach | Aug 19, 2009 8:59:14 AM

  6. Yeah, it was a lovely profile of Olson in the Times today.

    But more important, the Times asked 4 experts to weigh in on whether this case should be brought at this time before this Supreme Court, and the response was a resounding "no."

    Posted by: 24play | Aug 19, 2009 10:36:15 AM

  7. Thanks god for these guys. So much better that these pussy's going door to door begging for the rights already afforded them in the Constitution, (ie. reaching out).

    Posted by: Mike K | Aug 19, 2009 11:38:20 AM

  8. As long as we continue being the children meekly looking up to the adults, begging and pleading for the cookies - rhythmically and incessantly like children do - we will always be submissive and powerless to the adults' final wishes.

    GROW UP! We GIVE away our power through our asking.

    Why not empower ourselves and TELL the adults, as other adults, TELL them what we are due. A "demand" is just a loud, whining beg unless you are backing it up with something tangible, like refusing to file your taxes with the I.R.S. until ALL families and children have access to the same legal protections under the law.

    Posted by: John Bisceglia | Aug 19, 2009 1:25:05 PM

  9. What the article doesn't mention is the reason why the Prop-H8ters want to delay the trial to july 2010:

    They have filed TWO petitions in California to place initiatives on our 2010 ballot to make changing the california constitutional much more difficult than it was when they used Prop 8 to change that same constitution.

    Meaning, they anticipate our organizations placing Pro-Marriagge initiatives back on the ballot in 2012, and they hope that their initiatives will stop that.

    With current polls once again showing Californias clearly in favor of gay marriage (which makes you wonder how they stole the election last time)...the enemy is preparing.

    If there is a federal case on-going while the new initiatives are voted on and passed, the federal case becomes moot - for a while at least.

    Basicaly they are saying, as I predicted: "We changed the consitution to legaly discriminate against you,and now we are going to change the constitution so you WON'T be able to change it back..."

    Typical religious right hypocrites.

    Posted by: roger ramjet | Aug 19, 2009 2:03:37 PM

  10. This was at

    Thank Bin Laden and Iran for killing faggots in Iraq:,0,7800076.story
    Kill more Hollywood jewish faggots. I do not what to
    say about the jews that killed the jewish faggots in
    Tel Avi. Are these stupid Jews finally going to do what
    God says, KILL THE FAGGOTS! Unfortunately Christians
    are not commanded to killed the faggots and that is why
    Islam should rule the world to stop the Hollywood jewish

    Posted by: br | Aug 19, 2009 6:52:40 PM

  11. Amen to the last comment. Smoking the mideast funny boys should make the US funny boys find out what is waiting for them when the Persians get hold of them. Reference the hanging and torture of the 2 gay Iranian teens. Iran should release a video with their screams of pain while dying. Thank the CA gay mafia for mideast extermination. What goes around comes around.

    Posted by: k. f. | Sep 18, 2009 5:31:15 PM

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