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  1. Doof says

    Should look more closely at the two people who kiss.. the person that comes in from the right is female. Seems someone is trying to mislead with this video.

  2. says

    I think the comments from US and UK based citizens on Live Leak are far moor disturbing than the senselessness of this video. To hear American citizens lauding such acts and calling for similar action here is not a pretty site.

  3. says

    Regardless of whether these are gay men or criminals, it’s the reactions that are the most frightening to me.

    Even in the safest communities, now I’m looking around at the straight people wondering, “what do you really want to say?”

  4. GrabbinNewscum says

    Savage and barbaric. And yet still the ire of the so-called “progressive” community is on Israel rather than the anti-gay anti-woman Muslim world.

  5. says

    @ kevin : I think you’ve got a serious point. I never have , never will, totally trust straight people……..you think they’re your friends ? …..good luck with that !
    Most of them don’t want us around, don’t want to hear about our issues and feel awkward if they’re seen too much with us. That’s what I feel….many will differ. The medieval Islamics are worse than any straights…..

  6. says

    Good points KEVIN and ROWAN, and yet, if we look at these “others” (straight or white/non-black) as such, then we risk being just as bigoted.

    I’m a gay white non-relgious (atheist dammit!) Jew who’s been physically attacked by black teens and white young men. So I get the fear, but we can’t lived cowed by it (and I’m not suggesting you are).

    @ ROWAN: the black people I know do see the common ground that I do, for which we are all grateful 😉

  7. says

    I’m with @doof on this. I don’t think he kissed a male. If he did, it was a young man, possibly a teenager (and possibly his son).

    The other thing to realize is that avowed homosexual probably wouldn’t get a series of relatively tame floggings (I’m sure it hurt like hell, but these are “standard” floggings). Short of stoning or execution, outright lashings, long-term incarceration or hard labor are punishment options I’ve heard doled out to homosexuals in other nations.

    Toward the end of the video, when they hand the flogging device to a policeman, you can see he is overeager to ramp up the punishment. That’s the most disturbing part of the video to me.

  8. Thomas says

    Hold up — are we certain these individuals are actually being flogged for homosexual activity? LiveLeak does not cite its source and my skepticism is piqued by the shared kiss between one of the detainees and what very much appears to be female at the 0:15 mark.

    I’m not disillusioned and certainly understand that corporal and capital punishment against gay men and women is a reality in various countries, but let’s not forget that propaganda against Islamic countries is also pervasive.

  9. Rich says

    AlexinBoston,

    You’re an idiot. We give aid to Pakistan because they have nuclear weapons and have an unstable government. We also give money to Pakistan because the Taliban and al-Qaeda have camps there. Our money pays to help destroy would-be terrorists and prevent nuclear technology from being sold. (How do you think the North Koreans were able to develop nuclear technology? Not on their own.)

    Also, would you people stop pretending that there aren’t violent homophobes living in the U.S., Europe, Canada, etc.?

    Didn’t a gay man have his head beaten in by a cop in Houston? Weren’t gay men arrested in phony sting operations recently in NYC adult book stores? Haven’t government leaders in Poland, Lithuania, Latvia, Russia, etc. all condemned gays?

    Why do people so easily dismiss the vicious comments on Liveleak? Why do you think they’re meaningless? Did the revocation of marriage rights in California and Maine teach you nothing?

    Get your heads out of your asses. You too can easily see your basic human rights disappeared more easily than you think, officially and unofficially.

    Get into an altercation with someone and violence takes place. All someone has to do is use the gay panic defense and presto, it’s adios to you. Get in a fight to defend yourself and you happen to be HIV+, welcome to an attempted murder charge because you are a living weapon.

  10. TANK says

    Rich get your head out of your ass. Homosexuals are not put to death by mandate of the state as they are routinely in muslim countries that operate under sharia law. If you think that homophobia in the u.s. and canada is at all comparable to state sponsored genocides that occur in the middle east, you’re a delusional crackpot. Homophobia isn’t even as bad in eastern european countries as it is in most islamic theocracies. I’m disgusted by these flat earthers denying that state sponsored genocide of homosexuals in islamic countries is the same as homophobia in europe and the u.s. And as soon as anyone calls them on their vacuous pluralistic gibberish, they scream racism. You pigs are in the way.

    As to Pakistan being an unstable country with nuclear weapons, this is true…so why are we in afhganistan? Why did obama send 30k more troops to afghanistan when the resistance isn’t coming from the taliban and al qeada (who’ve fled to pakistan), but locals? If we were truly concerned about securing the pakistani nuclear arsenal from terrorists, we’d change the venue. And the reality is that nuclear weapons are not difficult to make. They’re crude devices, comparatively, and there’s simply nothing the u.s. can do to keep developing nations from getting their hands on it. We can, however, only delay the inevitable.

  11. Rowan says

    @ David R

    Cool.

    This was put towards the twisted Towleroad posters with short attention spans and selective memories!

    Like you I’ve been attacked by both black and white people but I get it worse with the ‘blacks’-I’m an athiest!

  12. John in Boston says

    Pakistan has nukes and is a highly unstable country. No matter who or what you are, if you’re sane this should disturb you. This alone is one of the main reasons why the U.S. and E.U. are concerned with maintaining ties so as to have the maximum amount of influence.

    WTF does this have to do with race, or ‘Minority’ rights in advanced, western, democratic, first world nations? The analogy is piss poor.

  13. John in Boston says

    Gee Rowan, David and others; if only a lot black folks practiced what they preached about racism, bigotry, violence, getting along and respecting others. Maybe one day.

    *******************************************

    Philadelphia school’s racial tensions [black/Asian] lead to fights

    http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2009-12-04-philadelphia-school-racial-tension_N.htm

    ********************************************

    I attended high school in NYC and Boston in the late 80’s-early 90’s. Whites/Asians got along. Latinos/whites got along. Asians/Latinos got along. Blacks didn’t get along with anyone. Any racial or ethnic tension was caused by blacks 99% of the time. And as a white dude I know what it’s like to be a minority, and I’m not just talking about sexuality. I grew up mostly in majority P.R. and Dominican neighborhoods and had no problems. My final year of H.S. was in a Chinatown neighborhood. The majority of students were Asian,. mixed ethnicities, most American. No problems. Some of my friends attended majority black schools at least for a period of time and it was a nightmare.

  14. says

    “Gee Rowan, David and others; if only a lot black folks practiced what they preached about racism, bigotry, violence, getting along and respecting others. Maybe one day.”

    The same could be said about a lot of white folks, John, who consistently wear their racism on their sleeves.

  15. John in Boston says

    True Ernie, but it would be nice if ‘Progressives’, ESPECIALLY WHITE MIDDLE AND UPPER MIDDLE CLASS ‘Progressives’ would treat black racism and bigotry the way these treat white, instead of trying to always excuse it or worse cover it up or pretend minorities aren’t capable ofv racism, sexism, homophobia, et al.,

  16. John in Boston says

    Lesbians Face ‘Correction’ Rape In SA (South Africa)

    ‘ Sky News has found evidence of widespread abuse against the lesbian community – resulting in a new trend of so-called “corrective rape”. ‘

    ‘ Although there is a progressive post-apartheid black middle class in South Africa, Sky was told the views of the men who spoke up were reflective of the masses.

    ‘ They said they approved of lesbians being raped to “correct” them and to “teach them a lesson”. ‘

    skynews.com

    http://tinyurl.com/ybg5qv8

  17. Randy says

    It’s worth noting that this kind of flogging is worse than it appears. If you’re flogged standing up, there is only an impact on one side. Lying on the ground, the force has nowhere to go because you’re on the ground, so in effect you get hit on front and back with each hit.

    Aside from the physical flogging itself, it’s never a good thing when a government or group gives itself the power to humiliate people in any way in public.

  18. TANK says

    Hey, John in Boston, looking for an excuse to race bait much? Apparently other people are, too. I’m just curious, do you say “son” and “step off” a lot? LOL!

  19. TANK says

    “Aside from the physical flogging itself, it’s never a good thing when a government or group gives itself the power to humiliate people in any way in public”

    this is beyond humiliation. This is torture. Primitive torture encouraged by a primitive culture. Humiliation, on the other hand…can stop drunk driving.

  20. says

    I know, John, you think your racism is perfectly justified and you have the links and statistics to back you up, but I wonder why you don’t just start your own blog to deal with the issues of race that clearly obsess you? That way, you could rant to your heart’s content and wouldn’t have to infect thread after thread here with your contempt for black people. Anyway . . . just a thought.

    (Apparently, Andy has a lot more tolerance for your racial diatribes than I do. I’d have cut you off a long time ago, but I guess that’s just because I’m a deluded middle-class white progressive.)

  21. John in Bostonj says

    Ah, no Tank:

    I’m not from the rural south. Expressions like ‘Son’ and ‘Boy’ in regards to an adult is considered condescending and rude where I come from.

    Ernie and Tank:

    What exactly did I say/post that’s so terrible? Was I rude? No. Did I make wild generalizations, or resort to name calling or condescension? No. All I’ve done is point out unpleasant facts most ‘Progressives’ hate hearing.

    And Ernie; I’m middle-class also. I’m also quite ‘Progressive’ regarding many thing, but not everything. I’m not as deluded and gullible as many ‘Progressives’.

  22. John in Bostonj says

    HOW is what I posted ‘Racist’ Ernie? Racist is making wild unsubstantiated claims along with an admitted irrational hatred for another based solely on their race. Rabid name calling and insults par for the course. I’m none of these things. And my posts are respectful but firm and I back them up with hard facts.

    I am not racist. I am irritated by (mostly goofy white ‘Progressives'; mostly white because middle and wealthy whites primarily control our society through sheer numbers, wealth, power) hypocritical and patronizing attitudes regarding the issue of racism. I’m irritated by a worshiping of multiculturalism that is one-sided: white male Europeans/Americans BAD, everyone else a poor victim.

  23. TANK says

    Look, John in Bostonj(where’s that?), I thought you came from the mean streets. You know, the mean streets…and stuff…tough guyz and players…the “ghettoooooooooo” (elvis). That place. And “son” and “step off” are terms of the mean streets, where the streets are mean. You have to arm wrestle a tranny prostitute for a bowl a soup…?

  24. says

    @ JOHN IN BOSTON: Perhaps you hang out with the wrong white progressives. Or perhaps you miss the difference between understanding racism or resentment based on race and class differences and “excusing” it.

    The other races you mention (latinos and Asians) were never brought here as slaves and legally treated as non-people. Black men, in many places, are still feared by whites just for being black. Yes, anyone can be racist (do you really think anyone doesn’t understand that today?). But blacks are consistently treated less well by the larger society than other races. And even as that situation improves, the hurt, I’m sure, lingers for a while. Can you not empathize?

    Does any this mean that anyone should give up on being respectful to others and trying be compassionate with others? Certainly not.

    Regardless, I don’t think your attitude, which comes across as, “Blacks are the worst, they just can’t get over it!” is helpful to the conversation that our nation still needs to have.

    @ ROWAN: Cheers to you too. Can you clarify your last statement? Not sure I understood it.

  25. NADA says

    Okay JohnInBoston,

    You say you’re not racist and yet this is dealing with Middle Easterners and not African Americans. However you always find a way to post shit about Blacks doing this.

    So now whatever this post you posted you said “Blacks never got along with no one”

    Well since you’re the voice for the middle class white and the Latinos maybe your dumb ass can find a way to give Latinos a pass in this case

    Link# 1http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/january2007/220107mexicangangs.htm

    Racist Mexican Gangs “Ethnic Cleansing” Blacks In L.A.
    Latino thugs indiscriminately murder blacks regardless of gang membership, genocidal purge aligns with radical Aztlan theology

    Paul Joseph Watson
    Prison Planet

    Racist Mexican gangs are indiscriminately targeting blacks who aren’t even involved in gang culture, as part of an orchestrated ethnic cleansing program that is forcing black people to flee Los Angeles. The culprit of the carnage is the radical Neo-Nazi liberation theology known as La Raza, which calls for the extermination of all races in America besides Latinos, and is being bankrolled by some of the biggest Globalists in the U.S.

    A story carried on the liberal website Alternet, charts an explosion in brutal murders of blacks by Hispanic street gangs in L.A. Far from being gang on gang violence, the Latinos are targeting innocent blacks in accordance with a concerted ethnic cleansing campaign that seeks to eradicate all blacks from Hispanic neighborhoods.

    In one instance, 21-year-old Anthony Prudhomme was shot in the face with a .25-caliber semi-automatic while lying on a futon inside his apartment, slain by a Latino gang known as the Avenues as part of a racist terror campaign in which gang members earn “stripes” for each black person they kill.

    In one typical case,” writes journalist Brentin Mock, “Three members of the Pomona 12 attacked an African-American teenager, Kareem Williams, in his front yard in 2002. When his uncle, Roy Williams, ran to help his nephew, gang member Richard Diaz told him, “Niggers have no business living in Pomona because this is 12th Street territory.” According to witnesses, Diaz then told the other gang members, “Pull out the gun! Shoot the niggers! Shoot the niggers!”

    The fatwah against blacks began in the mid-nineties, with a 1995 LAPD report concluding that Latinos had vowed to “Eradicate black citizens from the gang neighborhood.” In a follow up report on the situation in east Los Angeles, the LAPD warned that “Local gangs will attack any black person that comes into the city.”

    The author notes that since 1990 the African-American population of Los Angeles has halved, partly as a result of rampant illegal immigration and that there are noticeably fewer blacks walking the streets because many have been forced to relocate in fear of the racist gangs.

    “The LAPD estimates there are now 22,000 Latino gang members in the city of Los Angeles alone. That’s not only more than all the Crips and the Bloods; it’s more than all black, Asian, and white gang members combined. Almost all of those Latino gang members in L.A. — let alone those in other California cities — are loyal to the Mexican Mafia. Most have been thoroughly indoctrinated with the Mexican Mafia’s violent racism during stints in prison, where most gangs are racially based,” writes Mock.

    Mock blames the “Mexican Mafia” for ordering the campaign of ethnic cleansing from prison, as part of a turf war with the Black Guerilla family, another prison gang, but fails to pinpoint the racist creed from which the Mexican kingpins draw their inspiration – the long standing Aztlan invasion agenda.

    Aztlan’s goal, known as La reconquista, is to cede and take over the entirety of the southern and western states by any means necessary and impose a Communist militant dictatorship. President Bush’s blanket amnesty program goes a long way to helping the extremists achieve their aim.

    Despite the fact that the majority of documented hispanics oppose illegal immigration, as do the majority of Americans, Aztlan and La Raza race hate groups have become the self-appointed voice for a separatist movement that threatens a violent overthrow of the Constitutional system and a barbaric program of ethnic cleansing. This is held up by the media as ‘diversity’ and to vociferously oppose it is scorned as racism.

    Aztlan and Mecha groups advocate killing all whites and blacks and driving them out of the southern states by means of brutal ethnic cleansing. Flags and placards carried at marches depict white people having their heads cut off,
    Those that protest such groups are then attacked by the establishment media and labeled as racists, despite the fact that the Plan of San Diego, a rallying cry for the hispanic Klan groups, advocates total eradication of any race but hispanics.

    Mecha’s own slogan reads, “For the race everything. For those outside the race, nothing.”

    TV stations owned by rich white industrialists erect giant billboards in Los Angeles claiming the city belongs to Mexico,
    Mainstream hispanics who love America abhor the virulent racism that the Mexican klan groups embrace.

    And who bankrolls these pocket radicals? Billionaire tax-exempt foundations and NGO’s owned by white men. Organizations like the Ford Foundation, groups who are zealous in their quest to eliminate the middle class and destroy America, turning it into a cashless society, compact city, surveillance control grid where only two tiers of society exist – the elite and the poor slaves.

    During the May immigration protests, The Aztlanwebsite carried the following statement.

    “If the racist “Sensenbrenner Legislation” passes the US Senate, there is no doubt that a massive civil disobedience movement will emerge. Eventually labor union power can merge with the immigrant civil rights and “Immigrant Sanctuary” movements to enable us to either form a new political party or to do heavy duty reforming of the existing Democratic Party. The next and final steps would follow and that is to elect our own governors of all the states within Aztlan.”

    Here is the open call for violent separatism and the overthrow of existing state government structures.

    During the immigration demonstrations, which were orchestrated by Rob Allyn of Rob Allyn & Co. who is closely tied with George W. Bush, alarming reports of illegals carrying out violent beatings began to surface. In Santa Ana California, illegal aliens swarmed around in mobs invading schools, carrying out violent beatings and in one incident a county worker had a Mexican flag plunged into his chest.

    The violent protests that began on May 1 last year were characterized by throngs marching under Mexican flags, many of which were illegal aliens, as a “day without gringos.”

    Imagine what the reaction would be if white middle class Americans marched in their millions and called the event “a day without blacks.”

    The media continues to run defense for a violent militant movement that seeks nothing less than the eradication of blacks and whites through ethnic cleansing and the takeover of the southern and western states. This is a separatist junta that has over 30,000 ruthless gang members at its disposal once the call for mobilization is heard, along with millions of illegal aliens pouring across the border.

    These thugs have the temerity to call Latinos, blacks and whites who are opposed to uncontrolled illegal immigration racists when it is their own La reconquista philosophy that has spawned target hits in Los Angeles as part of a virulently racist ethnic cleansing rampage. It’s a bloodlust that can only spread to other cities as the realization of Aztlan is generously aided by billionaire Globalists who wish to see America balkanized, plundered and destroyed

    Link# 2 From Newsweek
    http://www.newsweek.com/id/61950

    A south Los Angeles Latino street gang targeted African-American gang rivals and other blacks in a campaign of neighborhood “cleansing,” federal prosecutors say. Alleged leaders and foot soldiers in the Hispanic gang Florencia 13, also called F13, are being arraigned this week on charges stemming from a pair of federal indictments that allege that the gang kept a tight grip on its turf by shooting members of a rival gang—and sometimes random black civilians. The “most disturbing aspect” of the federal charges was that “innocent citizens … ended up being shot simply because of the color of their skin,” U.S. Attorney Thomas O’Brien told reporters in announcing the indictments.

    No one is sure what started the war between F13 and the black gang known as the East Coast Crips in the Florence-Firestone area of unincorporated L.A. County. Simple neighborhood demographic shifts played a role, as formerly black areas have become majority-Latino. The two gangs are also rivals in the lucrative drug trade. Much of the F13 indictments lay out a conspiracy alleging that gang members controlled drug houses where they sold large amounts of cocaine, crack and methamphetamine. Some say the killings began after the Crips pulled a large drug heist against F13 several years ago. Whatever the causes, L.A. Sheriff’s Department statistics chart the war’s violent toll: 80 gang-related shootings in the past three years, including 20 murders.

    The federal charges name 61 alleged F13 members in two indictments. The gang-violence charges came in a 53-count RICO (Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations) indictment against 24 alleged gang leaders, charging them in a conspiracy to sell drugs, possess weapons illegally, and assault and kill black gang members and civilians. In the second indictment prosecutors charged the rest of the men on federal drug-distribution charges. More than 40 of the defendants pleaded not guilty at arraignments Tuesday, according to prosecutors. Michael Khouri, an attorney for Luis Aguilar, 35, says his client left the gang “several years ago” and served recently as a gang negotiator. “Mr. Aguilar will plead not guilty, and he is not guilty,” says Khouri. Fifteen of the accused remain fugitives.

    The indictments provide a telling snapshot of the changing nature of gangs in south L.A. According to federal prosecutors, F13 has grown into a tightly controlled gang of 2,000 members in 30 cliques led by convicts and parolees who are members of the prison-based Mexican mafia. It’s a far cry from the ’80s, when the black drug gangs, including the Crips and the Bloods, predominated, mining the crack epidemic with ruthless efficiency. Compared with looser Latino gangs that were seen as turf-conscious fighters, the black gangs were organized and disciplined. “The stereotype was that [the black gangs] were all about the [drug] business,” says gang researcher Cheryl Maxson, an associate professor of criminology at University of California, Irvine. With the black gangs, “there was a millionaire in every neighborhood” perched at the top of the crack distribution pyramid, adds gang expert Alex Alonso, who edits streetgangs.com.

    Now it’s the Latino drug gangs that seem tighter and more highly controlled. “The Hispanic gangs like F13 were incredibly regulated, from the street level to the leadership in the prisons,” says Olivia Rosales, a hard-core gangs prosecutor for the L.A. district attorney’s office who prosecuted F13 and Crips homicide cases for two years. She now heads one of the DA’s satellite offices. “The East Coast Crips weren’t as organized.”

    Top-down organization in F13 aided the assaults on black gangsters. The federal indictments charge that Mexican mafia leaders “make sure that all the F13 cliques were participating in the assaults of African-American rival gang members.” But the assaults went beyond rival gangs; they “target[ed] African-American individuals for assault,” according to the indictment. Gang leaders even allegedly instructed foot soldiers in how to hunt blacks in the most efficient manner, the feds maintain. A wiretap cited in the RICO indictment reveals that one gang leader allegedly told an underling that “when he went looking for African-Americans to shoot, only a driver and a shooter were needed.”

    Have an answer for that IDIOT?

    Why don’t your ass stay on topic. We know you don’t like African Americans and I don’t think they give a fuck. So you Rowan, and that other idiot who thinks likes you also can FUCK OFF! DUMB ASSES!

  26. Derrick from Philly says

    Jesus loves the little children–all the little children of world

    Red and yellow, black and JOHN IN BOSTON white

    They are precious in his sight

    Jesus loves the little children of the world

    JOHN IN BOSTON, you can’t be “out” in the Klan at the same time….unless the Knights have changed their criteria for admittance.

    I know, I know, Bean Town JOHN….ought to round up all American Blacks and send ’em back to where their ancestors came from: West Africa, Southwest Africa, England, Scotland, France, Holland, Ireland, etc.

    Send me to Brazil, Johnny Boy!

  27. mm says

    that looks like a male he kissed. its Pakistan, a Muslim country. how many women do you see in Pakistan without their hijab – the heads scarf, who also then wear a suit?

    it’s a rare. as a muslim its rare to see that type of woman walk around the streets in the middle east.

    and the man he kissed was probably just a family or a friend. its normal for men to kiss each other on the cheeks without it being a sexual thing in the mid-east.

  28. Bill says

    I agree with John in Boston. Enough with the anti-white bigotry. Many don’t want to take responsibility for the failures they created so they blame white people. Very much like how heterosexuals like to blame everything on gay people for their failures.

  29. Lloyd says

    Being of mixed race- half black and half white i can’t truly say that i fit in anywhere, and being gay on top of it probably does not help. The point being, racism is everwhere and it always will be- it just takes differing opinions from two people of different races to trigger an outlash of “racist slurs”. JOHN IN BOSTON- your comments are actually very true, why are black people rarely punished for making reverse-racist comments. Come to think of it, why is it even termed reverse racism when someone from a majority race is being discriminated against due to their race- isnt racism racism regardless of what side of the fence it comes from. We are all painted with one brush and that brush was dipped in the colour of humanity. That also goes for gays being treated as lesser people whether that be here or anywhere else around the world.

  30. John says

    For God’s sake, Obama being president for one year isn’t the white version of the “Trail of Tears.” Nobody is oppressing white people in this country.

    Or anywhere else for that matter.

    If African countries carved up Europe into spheres of influence, redrew your borders to suit their selfish needs, mined your mountains, polluted your rivers, moved your families from their ancestral homes, raped your spouses, introduced disease into your communities, and forced your people into slavery for a couple hundred years, then I suppose you can start complaining.

    But that hasn’t happened.

  31. Pinky Tuscadero says

    UMMMMMMMMMMM Lloyd unless I did’nt get the sarcasm in your comment. And you’re bi-racial? I bet I know which side of the black/white pendalum you wing with…and here’s a hint…Not the black side.

  32. nic says

    @NADA,

    you might be taken more seriously if you didn’t start your over-long and largely ridiculous comment with a cut-and-paste harangue from a paleoconservative, paranoid, conspiracy theorist’s website. both alex jones and paul joseph watson are certifiable paranoid schizophrenics (well at least it seems so).

    you might have saved everyone time and trouble by editing the Newsweek article. do you think that piling on mountains of other people’s verbiage helps your case? part and parcel of that article is:
    “No one is sure what started the war between F13 and the black gang known as the East Coast Crips in the Florence-Firestone area of unincorporated L.A. County. Simple neighborhood demographic shifts played a role, as formerly black areas have become majority-Latino. The two gangs are also rivals in the lucrative drug trade. Much of the F13 indictments lay out a conspiracy alleging that gang members controlled drug houses where they sold large amounts of cocaine, crack and methamphetamine. Some say the killings began after the Crips pulled a large drug heist against F13 several years ago.”

    so, neither the black gangs nor the brown gangs look good from that perspective. less than a racial issue, it becomes more a matter of turf control and control of the street drug business by thugs on each side. your copying the Newsweek article in toto is a useless exercise. it proves nothing (ziltch, zero, zip, nada) NADA.

    JOHN IN BOSTON may well be wrong, but he is relying on experiential reasoning. you, on the other hand, are depending on right-wing cuckoos and a Newsweek article that does not advance you argument at all. yet, you call others idiots.

  33. Sal says

    Its not genuine. At 1.33 a guy asks in Punjabi, what the deal is (quite loudly), at 1.43 another chap replies “these are those people that don’t let you walk the streets after 9 o clock… your mobiles, purses and jewelry, finished”. They’ve been charged with theft.

    Horrible as it still is, chances are they deserve a smack… better than getting their hands lopped off. It’s not great someone’s misleading like this, as much as the issue needs raising, let’s at least be honest.

  34. Khadim says

    NO, its not gay flogging. These are Pickpocketers and thieves who steal items and snatch shoulder bags etc(listen to the commentary in Punjabi language)and It’s not punishment but their-public-display because they belong to the same town, so people can easily recognise them NEXT TIME.
    BTW, There are plenty of real-issue to talk about Pakistani society but Western-Media shouldn’t invent lies to condemn Pakistan.

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