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  1. says

    Let’s see now:
    “minister of information”
    “world alive ministry”
    “human rights commission”
    THOSE are all Western imports that perhaps they should fight against. Homosexuality and transgenderism (which the marriage case seems to be about) are not.

    Especially they should reject Christianity, which is no doubt a Colonial import in Malawi.

  2. Kayla says

    These people are backward savages, their homophobic attitudes are probably their most sophisticated ideals. They are mostly illiterate, malnourished primitives, do you really expect them to be pro-gay!?! This is a part of the world, after all, where a young girl’s vagina is sewed up after clitoris is sliced off, albinos (including children) are killed and consumed in the hopes of gaining mystical powers, and people still believe that trees have spirits. Oh, and if your neighbor pisses you off you pick up your machete and hack him to pieces.

    By the way this isn’t racist, just a fact, I’m a black West Indian immigrant living in the U.S. There’s a much more subtle usually (not always) non-violent version of this in the Caribbean, though tourism dollars and proximity to the U.S. and our past mostly British colonial history (which heavily influenced our culture, much more so than say Nigeria), means some semblance of sophistication does exist in West Indian societies. They are hopeless, completely incapable of complex thought and the last thing they could ever comprehend is tolerance for anybody different, let alone gay people!! It’s called primitive thinking people!!This is their normal!

  3. Dan Cobbb says

    IF ANYONE OUT THERE IS READING THIS: Can you please tell me what I need to download so I can view the video clips on TOWLEROAD.COM? As it is right now, the video is blank and there’s a small square in the upper left-hand corner that has a smaller square (red), a blue triangle and a green circle in it. THANKS for any info!

  4. SONNIE says

    Heaven forbid, but if a natural disaster were to hit Kenya or Malawi, I would not send a FUCKING dime to help them out! There is no excuse for hatred and bigotry.

  5. Derrick from Philly says

    “Oh, and if your neighbor pisses you off you pick up your machete and hack him to pieces”

    Then we’d better keep President Obama away from Republican Minority Leader McConnell. (hack, hack)

    KAYLA, many Ugandans, Kenyans and Malawians looked at that video footage and probably felt the same way you did.

  6. JimSur212Jim says

    We are all very fortunate to be living in the United States in the year 2010. Many of our brothers around the world are a century or more behind us in human progress.

  7. bading says

    Kenya:
    Male/Male Illegal Female/Female Legal
    Malawi:
    Male/Male Illegal Female/Female Legal

    Of course, we can safely assume that these laws were drafted by str8 men!

  8. says

    And in Uganda, where they want to execute gay people, polygamy is legal. Guess the American Christian Extremists who helped push lawmakers in that country to the brink of genocide don’t have a problem with that, nor the other gross violations of human rights of gay men and ALL women happening in some of these countries.

  9. Kayla says

    @Kevin, what does Oprah have to do with this?? Umm…she’s black…these savages are black… Okay now I get it, I’m a little slow on the uptake, sorry!! Does this mean that I’m also culpable?? Maybe I should release a statement too, certainly the fact that they and I retain similar levels of melanin in our skin means that my words will magically change their bigoted thinking!!

    …Or maybe not. Maybe(and I know this will surely make your head explode)the truth is Oprah has no more influence over the actions of these people than does Angelina Jolie or George Clooney!! Wonders never cease!!

    As for the disgusting Charlatans, Jackson and Sharpton, well we all know that they don’t give a crap about what happens over there, since it rarely ever involves Whitey. And those two specimens of human vileness only lift a finger when Whitey’s involved anyway. Then they can cry racism, threaten to sue, force whitey into shelling out some dough which they nobly utilize to procure themselves and their posses a few extra trinkets.

    On a side note, I want to say that I hold, the Elite White Media completely responsible for continually foisting these two idiots (who seem incapable of stringing together a coherent sentence) on all of black America (though I admit there are some degenerates who follow them like sheep). Since they’re the ones who put a camera or microphone in front of these men’s visages every time a faux racism crisis arises. We never even got a freaking vote, but apparently the White Media Elites, in their infinite wisdom, have decided who our spokesmen are (who’s the voice of white America?–I vote Sarah Palin!) and we can’t do shit about it!!

  10. TANK says

    “These people are backward savages, their homophobic attitudes are probably their most sophisticated ideals. They are mostly illiterate, malnourished primitives, do you really expect them to be pro-gay!?! This is a part of the world, after all, where a young girl’s vagina is sewed up after clitoris is sliced off, albinos (including children) are killed and consumed in the hopes of gaining mystical powers, and people still believe that trees have spirits. Oh, and if your neighbor pisses you off you pick up your machete and hack him to pieces.”

    How does one reach people that are that deluded? It seems like the only way is by brute force…that’s the only negotiating tool. So much for those who insist that cultural superiority doesn’t exist.

  11. GrabbinNewscum says

    >>More likely it is the American evangelists who have come to Africa to stoke and encourage this hatred against gays, an enemy perhaps many of these people didn’t know they had until they were taught it by their Anglican pastors.

    And your evidence for this is….?

  12. John says

    “gross indecency”

    “crimes against nature”

    Now, where have I seen these terms before.

    The 19th century British legal code that was enacted in their colonies throughout the world, perhaps?

    You know, white people love to cause trouble. And then two hundred years later they show up to purportedly solve problems they created in the first place. But, of course, they don’t assume any actual responsibility for any of this. Because they are perfect in every way. No, it is the “barbaric” and “savage” nature of Africa that’s the issue.

  13. TANK says

    Don’t blame the british legal code for the language, john…as that language preceded it (as did homophobia), and it just reflected it. Let’s pass the buck, too, from the american evangelists who were raised to believe this, and were “influenced” by their environments to adopt this hateful belief system…for if we’re to use your reasoning, they’re no more to blame for their actions than these africans. If we’re going to infantilize one racial demographic, we should do it for all them…or else it’s just racism.

  14. says

    From the looks of that video, these people are animals. Is there any sense of civility in Kenya or Malawai? I understand poverty is pervasive in most parts of Africa. But even the poor should know that human rights for EVERYONE is essential. This is simultaneously sick and sad.

  15. Strepsi says

    I really feel terrible for the incredibly brave couple who just want to be a couple! They are the Rosa Parkses od Kenya. They are heroes.

    I wish they were not already jailed, because if there were ever a case for political asylum this is it. And the U.S. and Canada better NOT reject any gay refugees from these countries!!!

  16. GrabbinNewscum says

    Clearly, all dark-skinned must be gullible and easily brainwashed by light-skinned people. That is, after all, the only bizarrely racist conclusion that can be gained from the leftist party line that infantilizes dark-skinned people such that they are not held responsible for their own behavior.

    Taken to its (il)logical conclusion, it could be argued that, ultimately, no group or nation is responsible for any discrimination or hatred directed at any group, as nearly every nationality has been invaded and/or oppressed by some other group at some point in history.

    Also, one can imagine that if the white man had never set foot on African soil that the continent of Africa tend would be Eden on year, with no strife, war, poverty, or discrimination.

  17. Derrick from Philly says

    “Also, one can imagine that if the white man had never set foot on African soil that the continent of Africa tend would be Eden on year, with no strife, war, poverty, or discrimination.

    No, but it would be a place where gay drag queens could live in peace as they did 300 years ago.

    THese comments always show a contempt and hatred for black people long before homophobia was ever thought of.

  18. says

    Grabbin is as usual full of it.
    Colonial regimes, including forced conversions, were hardly “infantilizing.” They were brutal. And they very brutally destroyed any native traditions that looked queer and taught people good old Christian values, like kill the fags.

    Why is it infantilizing to claim that Western homophobia has been exported around the world? Why do you think in the early days so many gay men wanted to go abroad as explorers in the first place? Jesus, learn some history, for god’s sake.

    Bleys’s Geography of Perversion, for example.
    Or Robert Aldrich, or Dennis Altman.

  19. TANK says

    I think we’re now in perpetuating the myth of the noble savage, or that before big bad white man came, everyone lived in harmony, and wanted for nothing. This is factually false, for there was always war, famine, and genocide. And no, africa wouldn’t be the land of gay tolerance sans colonialism. It’s infantalizing because we’re talking about their responsibility for their awful disgusting behavior right now. They are, right now, responsible for it. There is no excuse.

    And you can, in fact, make the argument that no one is responsible their beliefs and actions, white or black…if you wanna go down that road (which you are by treating these grownups like children who can’t be held accountable).

  20. JT says

    Tank : We mustn’t excuse some of the worst aspects of colonialism, but the “noble savage” idea really IS greatly a myth (like those who refuse to believe the Native Americans weren’t torturing and slaughtering each other over hunting grounds before Caucasians ever got to American shores). And it’s racist the way others try to claim Africans are such controllable pea-brains that whites can just put ideas into their heads. But for the poltically-correct, that’s the only alternative left to actually putting the blame for African homophobia directly on Africans.

  21. JT says

    (correction : “..were torturing and slaughtering..”) P.S. : By p.c. conclusions, why wouldn’t all of Central and South America be as homophobic as Africa? Mostly former colonies of religious fanatic Spain.

  22. says

    There never was a gay wedding. The BBC amongst other news outlets simply reported the fantasies of the local media based on outrageous statements by local clerics.

    I have been reporting this story using local gay sources who are ACTUALLY THERE. They report an attempt at genocide of gay men in the area, which is close to Mombasa.

    None of this is reflected in media reporting, which has singularly failed to speak with Kenyan gay organisations to even get their opinion, let alone to find out whether the gay wedding claim was true.

    Here’s the main points of what actually happened:

    # Six gay men arrested, two saved from being burned to death by mob
    # One man pointed out for wearing teeshirt with pink triangle (the man in the screenshot)
    # Mob organised by religious leaders and supported by police
    # Major media incitement and misrepresentation
    # Clinic serving people living with HIV/AIDS centre of violent attacks
    # Spark was joke about a ‘gay wedding’
    # Kenya gay groups planning legal action against incitement

    Reporting – with sources – is here http://madikazemi.blogspot.com/2010/02/five-gay-men-arrested-in-mombassa-kenya.html

  23. Oval Beach says

    I find it interesting that in early American history, within the groups of native American people, if you were “homosexual” or “trans” so to speak, you were revered…respected and associated with a higher power…yet in Africa…just the opposite exists. I will not feel one sad moment when tragedy befalls such a people…not anymore.

  24. TANK says

    Yeah, the noble savage myth is very popular amongst some elements of academia and certain political groups. They need to know it’s not about race. Maybe then they’d be more willing to give it up. There was no garden of eden or golden age, and it was always bad throughout the course of human history…always rotten, always miserable…though, comparatively, some times were less miserable than others through chance and act. But never good. Extreme suffering has always existed everywhere with every group.

  25. Lazlo says

    Thanks Paul Canning for posting the link. I guessed this when I first read about “gay weddings” taking place in Kenya. It’s all a ploy by clerics to stir the shit. Maybe in order to get people to give more when the collection plate is passed. Or it could be to distract people from their poor living standards(which happens here in America). Or maybe political elections are going to be held soon? It’s all a way to control and distract no matter what part of the world you live in. I do think Africans should be held accountable for their behavoir but I also feel you can’t discount the affects of colonialism and the deep interference of Western Christian fanatics like Rick Warren and his ilk of today. Paul are they having any elections soon in Kenya or Malawi? And once again where is Madonna?!? I would totally stop all my charity work in Malawi if I was her. Sorry that’s pretty cruel but no more Mr Nice Gay.

  26. says

    Lazlo

    I don’t know about elections in that area but one of the worst inciters to violence was a former local MP.

    It is very important to draw a distinction between African countries (just as you would European). Kenya has a strong civil society and they have been supporting gay groups. It is Kenyan human rights workers who have investigated the attempted pogrom.

    If you read stuff like the comments on gay-related news items in African news websites you find many Africans calling for tolerance, including from a religious perspective.

    In Malawi it is a civil society group which is supporting gays – and consequently being attacked.

    All support, I would suggest, should not be withdrawn but targeted to such groups.

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