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  1. veg says

    After seeing the other young men on youtube hatefully spew sexist and homophobic rhetoric and after hearing this young man this morning I now think that things just don’t add up and that, whatever happened, this is more about getting money than anything else. These young men were NOT children! There was no rape as even they claim. They accepted lavish gifts and it seems that they may want more.

    Seems to me that NOBODY’s hands (or ass) are clean in this affair and that Pastor Longs to pay these men off and make them sign non-disclosure agreements.

  2. Jerry says

    Another so-called religious “leader” bites the dust. One can only hope that this will be a wake-up call to all those involved in Black churches to the homophobia and manipulative sexual behavior of the down-low (& really low) sexual proclivities of those who would lead and indoctrinate their “flocks”. Is it any wonder that HIV is epidemic among Black inner city males?

    While not an example of child sexual abuse (they were technically adults before Long put the “make” on them), this may certainly be an example of sexual bullying and abuse of authority, and perhaps a form of prostitution (gay for pay).

  3. Howard says

    They were under age and preyed upon by a homophobic and hypocritic “man of God.” If true, the actions were against the law, both man and God’s, and he should be punished by both man’s law and God’s law. Bye, bye megachurch and mega lifestyle. Long is beginning to look a little Haggard now.

  4. veg says

    Actually, Howard, the age of consent in Georgia is 16 years old. Thus, whatever happened was NOT against the law. This is about money, power, and reputation.

    Yes, Eddie Long is a sick, filthy homophobic monster, and a vicious cult leader.

    But based on the videos I’ve seen of them, these young men are not innocent waifs. They are grifters and players who accepted lavish gifts and are engineering for more.

    I am a lesbian woman who is the survivor of rape. No means no. I said NO and fought like hell. After a certain again you know fucking damn well when someone is seducing you and some of these young twinks play up their wiles to get attention, money, and whatever it is they want.

    I am not letting any of these characters off the hook.

    All of them are fucking freaks to me.

  5. Bart says

    Eddie Long better hope he can settle this out of court and buy their silence. Because not only will the gay predator rap follow him but the IRS will be looking closely at him using un-taxed funds to buy young men jewelry, houses, cars, whatever. And what’s with this private jet? Who is this bastard, the Pope? You gotta wonder what is going through the minds of his congregation after they’ve been dumping their hard earned money into his collection plate every Sunday.

  6. scar2 says

    Veg & Jerry: I see some of your points & these guys may be wanting some money. However, these were poor & father-less kids taken in by the pastor when it all started. Predators go after the most vulnerable & that’s what this pastor is. He waited until they were of age to protect himself. Long is a monster.

  7. crispy says

    Vag is using the time-honored tradition of projecting a personal experience on everyone else in the world. Because these guys didn’t “fight like hell” they must be culpable.

    Try to demonstrate a tad more intellect.

  8. RW says

    Veg, you cannot possibly compare your situation to these boys’ situation.

    Being “raped” and being “groomed for consensual sex” are two very different things. Long preyed on these kids when they were too young to understand what was happening. And when you believe in someone with authority, they can do no wrong in your eyes. Especially when everyone around you (numbering in the THOUSANDS) reveres that man as well. So you feel special being selected by that authority figure to be lavished with attention and gifts. You might have had a point if Long had started to groom them AT the age of 16. But that is not the case. These fatherless men were indoctrinated as kids. Religiously, sexually, psychologically, physically. So of COURSE you are going to hear them spout the same homophobic, sexist bullshit that their surrogate father-pastor is spewing. It’s a cult, just like any other church.

  9. MichaelJ says

    Veg: I understand why you think Parris et al. are not simply victims and are in some ways complicit in being manipulated, and to some degree I agree with you. On some level they knew they were being seduced. But I think it’s pretty harsh to simply dismiss them as “fucking freaks.”
    I am more interested in Long not being let off the hook. I hope nothing is settled out of court and that the lawsuits go forward to reveal how nasty and hypocritical Long is. He is a monster, for what he has done to these young men and for the virulence of his preaching against homosexuality and gay people.

  10. ohplease says

    “If” they’re telling the truth? That’s about as heartless a statement as you could possibly muster. Gee, I wonder if that young man whose life has clearly been destroyed by Eddie Long is telling the truth? Gosh, could it be?

    And I don’t know what degree of sickness you thought Eddie Long possessed before these revelations, but he’s a man whose entire public life has been dedicated to destroying innocent people. DESTROYING INNOCENT PEOPLE. That wasn’t sick enough for you? And is it so hard to believe that he would also do it private?

  11. says

    Veg, it is absolutely horrifying to see someone who survived such a terrible ordeal flip the situation and partake in prototypical victim blaming against these young men.

    I am honestly agape at your inane comments in this post.

    Think before you speak, because right now you look incredibly ignorant.

  12. ratbastard says

    The age of consent between an ADULT and young adult / child is 18 in GA and elsewhere. 16 is the age of consent between two teens of similar age, I think no greater than a two year age difference.

    The reverend is a fucking pervert. Would anyone blame these dudes for using un-PC language under the circumstances? If It happened to me I think I’d kill Long. And these dudes probably aren’t gay to boot. They appear to me to be genuine victims.

  13. JTlvr says

    If they weren’t before, the IRS and other authorities have got to be looking at this organization now. Private planes, $300,000 Bentley, Rolexes, luxury mansions and lavish international trips… and boy toys.

    Televangelists with megachurches are running a big scam, all tax-free! It’s big business.

    I do believe that God wants us all to be happy and prosperous, but abusing power, money and others for greedy, selfish motives is not in that plan.

  14. veg says

    I can see where most of you guys are coming from (some of your comments–like calling me “VAG”–are predictably sexist but I’m used to this).

    I’ve met a lot of survivors, let me tell you. And we aren’t SAINTS. Some truly are gold diggers who do not admit to all sorts of things. PLEASE remember that a small percentage of those who have been sexually assaulted in their lives go on to become predators, scammers, or grifters themselves.

    I was on the side of many of you BEFORE I saw the youtube videos and BEFORE I saw this vid here.

    Furthermore, PLENTY of women and men grow up without FATHERS and DO NOT then claim to have had sexual relations with a 50 year old man.

    At some point we have to draw lines.

    If all of a sudden after 50 years you remember a “repressed” memory, then (as many psychological professional have also claimed) something may be awry in your claims of abuse.

    If you accept YEARS worth of gifts, NEVER complain of any abuse, and then, after breaking into a man’s office and making sexist and homophobic videos for youtube you get with a shady lawyer and file suits for civil damages against a pastor then something is wrong and you are not telling the whole story.

    Does this absolve Pastor Long? FUCK NO! He is a monster and scum who deserves the worse.

    But, like I fucking said: no one’s hands are clean in this shit.

    And NO means NO!

  15. Ben says

    I watch that video…and it makes me ill.

    His word choices, his tone, the inner conflict between his knowing what happened and lingering feelings for his abuser…it’s all so creepy. He call Mr Long ‘father’ and professes love!

    The situation reminds me of the Catholic priests and all that. That quiet seduction. But Mr Long is worse in knowing how to coax them early, but not engage in anything blatantly sexual until they’d reached legal age. Atrocious.

    What’s wrong with our world that this kind of stuff happens? And if it’s happening like this here…imagine what happens in less…I guess the word would be civilized parts of the world. Reminds me of that scene in I Am Because We Are where they meet the little boy who was randomly attacked by thugs who mutilated his genitals for no good reason. Just the evil within man.

  16. crispy says

    I think Vag has a rewarding career ahead of her writing pamphlets for high school guidance offices.

    NO Means NO!
    There’s a Hair Down There
    I Can’t Stop Touching Myself
    Cut Paper, Not Your Arms

  17. MissRambo says

    Wow!!! Did he or did he not use his position to munipulate these young men, the age in which the sexual act actually took place is sooooo irrelivent and anyone who thinks otherwise is ridiculous.

    He speaks out as being Anti-Gay but is committing homosexual acts, also making him a hipocrit. Not to mention he is a MARRIED MAN cheating on his wife in the worse possible way.

    He is a liar, cheat, pervert and doesnt deserve to hold the title of BISHOP…

    The very first time I saw him televised, I knew he was a down low brotha by the way he talked, moved, dressed. Im surrised that it took as long as it did for his indesgretions to be revealed.

    Im afraid people that this will be a dominoe effect and there will be more pasters and men positioned in leadership. A lot of covers are about to be pulled off a lot of people, so hold strong in your faith and know that GOD is GOD all by himseld and stop putting all FAITH in MAN, because they fall short, some more than others.

  18. RW says

    Veg, you are still not getting it.

    First of all, it’s interesting that you think being called Vag is sexist but calling these men “fucking freaks” is a-ok. I’m just saying.

    Anyhoo, this isn’t an issue of “saints and sinners.” This is an issue of right and wrong. You can’t judge these men based on the “golddiggers” that you know. Every situation and every person is different. Of COURSE plenty of fatherless kids grow up without having sex with adults. BUT THEY WERE NOT BEING GROOMED TO HAVE SEX BY DEIFIED PREDATORS EITHER! And what teenager do YOU know is going to complain about receiving gifts, starting at the age of FOURTEEN? Especially from someone who is considered a trusted mentor and a part of the family? And how do you know the lawyer is shady, exactly?

    All I hear from you are presumptions. I would think that you would avoid blindly judging people since you are so “used to” it happening to you.

  19. Ken says

    veg I guess I’m a f**cking freak too since my molester started buying me any my family clothes,food ,school supplies taking me to practice etc after our father died.For 3 years he was like a father 2 me. He never did anything inappropriate until I turned 14 . Then tickling turned to massages them to fondling and then to sex by the time I was 15. This went on for 2 years. I didn’t tell my mom for 10 years because I felt such shame. I also engaged in gay bashing so my friends wouldn’t think I was gay. So I’m not a victim because I was 15 and I knew it was wrong and I accepted gifts from this man, right.

  20. veg says

    RW: They ARE fucking freaks and my comments were a lot more nuanced than your dithering make them out to me. And if you think calling someone Vag is not sexist then you are an idiot.

    Crispy, you sound like just another sexist queen. So sad.

    Eddie Long is a scum homophobic pervert.

    But these young men also don’t sound like pure innocents. Some sound quite creepy and freakish.

    Here’s the youtube video of some of the other accusers, Anthony Flagg and Maurice Robinson:

    And here are the photos:

    http://hiphopblog.com/news-mainmenu-35/11359-exclusive-more-eddie-long-photos.html

    Don’t seem like everything’s on the up and up to me!

    Just my 2¢.

  21. stiltwalker says

    Veg, your comments are crazily disturbing. I am fortunate to not have experienced the hurt, violation and anger you have; however, I’m also fortunate I’m not as hurt, volatile and angry that you are at the world (or better yet your attacker).

  22. Shaun says

    Veg,

    Some women wear clothing that some people find provocative and walk in areas where crime is more common. They know what they are doing, and when they are sexually assaulted (physically or verbally), they are no less victims because they made a decision to do something that contributed to an unsafe situation.

  23. TANK says

    It’s too bad that isaac hayes never released a song about the downlow. He could’ve called it, “livin’ on the down low,” with had backup singers, and everything…with fitty and p diddy…etc, etc., etc.

    But this isn’t just about the closet. DUDE’S A KIDDIE RAPER! KIDDIE RAPE! It’s wrong…I feel like I need to take a stand here against KIDDIE RAPE because so few people are willing to condemn it as evil…I’ll be the outlier, as usual…rapin’ kids is wrong.

  24. Angel Valderrama Jr says

    If This Unfortunate Event Really Took Place, Then they SHOULD ALL BE TESTED FOR HIV/AIDS….ASAP!! This Whole incident can be a Matter of Life & Death…This Action can end up Changing The Lives of Those Who Were Involved…..in the Past,Present & in the Future. (Male or Female Partners)

  25. SFshawn says

    Just another example of how the mix of FREEEEEEE taxpayer money(in endless supply),unaccountable power,religion and complicit government support(what part of Seperation of Church and State does the US government not comprehend?)allows for this kind of abuse and manipulation to not only occur but to flourish. “Bishop” Long will get away with it no doubt about it. He has connections to the highest level of power in the US and money to burn. He’ll pay them off and it will be a non-issue until another set of KIDS report the RELIGIOUS child abuser/rapist. Makes me wonder if all the churches were burned to the ground would the world be a better place?
    Religion=DEATH.

  26. RW says

    Veg, if you are so thick that you cannot see your own hypocrisy, then there is nothing more that I can say to you. And your comments are hardly “nuanced.” You presented a bunch of poor examples and presumptions that have nothing to do with this case or these defendants. The photos and videos that you provided prove absolutely nothing. If you want to call them freaks, that’s your prerogative. But after listening to you rant on, I think Crispy hit it right on the head with “Vag.” And it has nothing to do with your sex.

  27. Oxxar Wilde says

    “This is not about the money”. Yeah, sure. Translation: “This amount of hush money is unacceptably low.” Poor Eddie Long couldn’t tell who was playing who.
    Veg makes many good points, but all the twink-adorers on here want to identify with the perpetually innocent youth rather than the middle-aged man in the mirror.

  28. Oxxar Wilde says

    “And these dudes probably aren’t gay to boot. They appear to me to be genuine victims.” says RATBASTARD above. Are you suggesting what I think you’re suggesting? Incredible. For all the moralizing on here, I sense a LOT of self-loathing and mixed feelings about gay people.

  29. jaragon says

    I love to know what scripture was used to convince these young men to have sex with the reverend? He is pure evil but at the same time it’s hard not to see these guys as just wanting more money from “Daddy” Long.

  30. Robert says

    No wonder Bishop Long disapproves of my marriage; my sons have two fathers, so they’re being Longproofed.

    I think these young men are now bitterly regretting the decisions they’ve made. I wonder if the Bishop is doing the same.

  31. sal says

    veg must be one of them loony folks,POWER,RELIGION LEADERS ABUSE OF POWER!!!!!POPE DOT DOT DOT DOT MORE MORE MORE WHEN WILL THEY WAKE UP AND SEE THESE PERVS FOR WHAT THEY ARE AND FINALLY LISTEN TO THEIR KIDSSSSSS OVER THEIR SPIRITUAL LEADERS ??????!!!!!

  32. Howard says

    Veg, some of the sources say the boys were 17 and 18 others say (vaguely) that they were young teens. Regardless, a pedophile who psychologically and physically abuses young people is still a pedophile. The physical abuse may stop, but the psychological effect is forever. Also, your word choice is very telling: “grifters, players, young twinks.” Jamal Perris certain does not any of these in the clip I saw.

  33. veg says

    Howard: I respect your view, but I disagree. I think Jamal Perris sounds better than the other 2 who made videos. But, truth is, there truly ARE some young men AND women who are grifting and scamming.

    And as I’ve said before, I think Eddie Long is a predatorial bastard, no doubt–homophobic and totally vile. At least on that point all of the commentators agree with me.

  34. Randy says

    Good grief.

    It seems this case has a lot to do with revenge, blackmail, and jealousy, enabled by a fabricated moral panic.

    A bad relationship, or breaking-up, or adultery, is not an excuse to file a sexual misconduct lawsuit to keep the money flowing, or every groupie in the world could sue for sexual misconduct.

    This man’s statements tell me that these men knew exactly what they were involved in, and loved it until the cash stopped flowing to them. Now they want to pretend they weren’t willing participants.

    These men make a mockery of laws that were put into place to stop actual abuse.

    Long and these men are pathetic examples of humanity. Religion destroys everything.

  35. TANK says

    Hey Randy….RRRRAAAAAANDY! Your NAMBLA membership’s due to expire next month. WOOOWOOO, freakshow. Stay away from children. Puttin’ the rapes on kids is all sortsa wrong.

  36. veg says

    Actually, I see where Randy is coming from. This is exactly what I mean when I say that there are different classes of people who say that suffered attacks or “seduction” as these men say. There are those like me who were forceably raped and assaulted and who never invited it, wanted it, accepted gifts, accepted money or anything like that; and then there are these young men who were on the dole for YEARS accepting money, gifts, travel perks, and everything. They call the interactions “seductions” and they say he pressured them but did not force them. I didn’t have a father either. He died in Korea. But I never then had sex with someone to fill that void. Nor do I want money or a civil suit from my rapist. I want him to stay in jail. So I think Randy is on to something.

    AGAIN: this does not absolve Eddie Long. Long is SCUM.

    But everybody here in this affair is FREAKY.

  37. janedoe says

    Eddie Long was in control. He could have ministered to the needs of these young men. Yet, he chose to abuse them, have a sexual relationship with them, and to hide his relationship one from the other. What a jerk!!!! What a greedy jerk to take money from his congregation to satisfy his unnatural needs from young, vunerable men. Shame. Shame. Shame on you Eddie. You are not worthy to be called bishop. So many good people gave to your church and you were luring young men with the money for your own personal unnatural needs. You need to be in jail.

    You need to beg God to forgive you.

  38. Explainyourself says

    Veg you say the “twinks” play up their wiles to get attention, money or whatever it is they want. Are you saying 16-17 year olds are seducing chickenhawks 50 plus years old?

  39. TANK says

    Isn’t that some sick shit, explainyoself? OMG! Sounds like a fuckin’ NAMBLA convention, e.g., “Those kids are tryna seduce me! Look at that little strumpet on the seesaw makin’ eyes at me!” LMAO! OMG! People are very, very sick…

  40. TANK says

    I don’t think it’s just a power imbalance, and I suspect, strongly, that pastor long’s targets were and are younger. This guy’s a pedophile, and only on a gay blog would the diffy between the categories of kiddie rapers matter.

  41. Vegemite says

    Pedophile? I think not. He seemed to like adolescents. Hint to Tank and others blinded by concupiscent rage: just because it’s tacky or illegal does not make it diseased. These youngsters were still at least sexually mature in the physical sense. Save words for their correct meaning, will you?

    And why do you call Randy names—do you know something we don’t? It’s entirely possible that Pastor Long’s real faux pas was in indulging his taste for variety, thereby setting off competitive passions among his seraglio.

  42. JT says

    Eddie Long also graduated from North Carolina’s NCCU, along with Crystal Mangum. Remember her? Belonsky and Andrew Towle sure jumped onto the bandwagon lynch mob with that one.

  43. Vince In Weho says

    I still disagree with Vag. I can easily see myself having ended up like those young men, had I been in their circumstances. Call me naive. Call me a late-bloomer. I don’t give a f*ck. You can judge those young men all you want and call them “freaky.” But, you can’t assume that they knew exactly what was happening when they were 14. When I was 14, I didn’t know sh!t. But, I also had two parents who protected and looked out for me. Either Jamal Parris is great f*cking actor or give ALL teenagers way too much credit.

  44. TANK says

    Damn…you rattle a few cages, and the pedo perps come home to roost. There’s a lotta perps here defending their own repulsive behavior, it would seem. Ew…don’t make the religious right…right…

  45. Vegemite says

    Tank, speak for yourself. After all, what Towleroad regular and perpetual nudge twinkophile spake thus, “Facial hair’s disgusting. He’s almost as gross looking as that rugby player featured yesterday. WTF is up with the bear parade as of late? Ick.”? Shall I link thee?

    There’s no sanctimony like that of people thisclose to the line…

  46. Tyler Anthony says

    Speaking from the inside. We call him a monster for preying on these ‘young’ men. Something that is seriously rampant in the gay community at large. Church, Gay Club, Gay Ghettoes & vacation spots. Ageism is a serious problem in gay male ‘culture’ and the younger you are or at least can try to continue to look the better.
    The pots calling the kettle black, no pun intended.

    I think hate or disdain for religion has clouded a lot of the gay men here,opinions. And some of you are coming from educated thought out opinions. But whether it was at the church or the gay youth help center this kind of thing happens all the time. But it’s more hypocritical when it’s coming from the gay community and it’s happening more than it is at the church.

    I look to see it played out, E.Long isn’t automatically guilty because he preaches against our sexual orientation. I want to see this played out.

  47. Tyler Anthony says

    Jerry,
    Yeah I forgot all black youth are inner city. There are a lot of wealthy rich upper class and middle class Black americans in Eddie Longs church. Including famous people Atlanta is a hot spot for it. So to conclude black = inner city is very ignorant of you.

    But I do agree that if true, an abuse of authority or sexual bullying is what it may add up too

    But like I told my dad, If it’s not in your appetite it can’t turn your head.

  48. TANK says

    Just because you’re a bitter old man does not the gay community make a bunch of pedophiles, tyler. Even ageism within the gay community and larger mainstream heto community does not equate to this kind of sexual exploitation (this is not common in the gay community, faggot). Elderly repulsive men bitter about their lack of sex appeal will say things like that, though.

  49. Paul Ruffins says

    Friends:

    Some people are demanding “facts” in this case. Well at this point, the facts are that four different young men who were all members of his congregation have made very detailed sworn statements that he molested them.

    All of these statements give examples of a pattern of very similar behavior. And so far, no one-including Mr. Long, has come forward to deny any of the specific circumstances- such as this boy never went on a trip with Mr. Long. or identify any contradictions in their stories.

    In addition, please note even though these teenagers were of legal age, in Georgia this case falls under the laws governing the behavior of people in positions of influence or authority over someone, like doctors, teachers, ministers, and counselors. please also realize that Long employed at least some of these men
    so that his behavior would also fall under the category of workplace sexual harassment.

  50. wan says

    forgive them father because they know not what they do! our flesh that weak, we really know not what we do, this is so sad, why do grown man, want to sleep with young boys, I just donot understand, do any one trully no the answer to this question, it is happening to much, what is going on, why would u want to sleep with a young boy and have a wife and family at home and three boys of your own?

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