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Vatican Prelate Compares Gay Marriage to Decaffeinated Coffee


Father Gonzalo Miranda used a new metaphor to describe gay marriage at a press conference on Wednesday, On Top reports:

“A gay relationship is like decaffeinated coffee, you do not wake up."

On Top:

"The marriages of gay and lesbian couples are an imitation, the bishops said, Mexico's El Universal reported. Miranda, along with Monsignor Elio Sgreccia, president emeritus of the Pontification Academy for Life in the Vatican, are in Mexico participating in a series of academic conferences commemorating the 20th anniversary of the founding of the School of Bioethics at the Universidad Anahuac in Huixquilucan state."

Added Miranda: What just happened in California is very significant. On two occasions people spoke out against the legal recognition of gay marriage and twice a judge changed the popular vote with a ruling. In Mexico, I don't know well the mechanism used, but the people were not consulted, there's wasn't a referendum either.”

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  1. But... isn't caffeine bad for you?

    Posted by: Kuhnsy | Sep 7, 2010 11:20:07 AM

  2. Being a priest is like having no coffee at all.

    Posted by: raybob | Sep 7, 2010 11:21:08 AM

  3. So does that mean bisexuals are comparable to half-caff?

    Posted by: Jubal Harshaw | Sep 7, 2010 11:22:34 AM

  4. Looks like it's gone down from being an abomination to an imitation now. Small mercies...NOT.

    Posted by: Sherlock | Sep 7, 2010 11:23:37 AM

  5. Oh, sure, The Vatican wants to have it both ways (just like so many right wing bigots here in the US): when civil rights restrictions are put to a "popular vote" and passed but then struck down by a judge as unconstitutional, it's BAD; however, when civil rights are kept down by The Vatican, there's no "popular vote" among its parishoners to change the Papal edict so it's GOOD. Nice try, fellas, but it ain't gonna fly with free-thinkers. Directives from the heart of the Papacy are but imitations of the true loving and accepting nature of God and his laws for all mankind.

    Posted by: Rob | Sep 7, 2010 11:28:18 AM

  6. That's because he's the only one in OUR government who's had the balls to tell it like it is...

    The issue of "gay" rights is a 'civil' right afforded to "WE THE PEOPLE"... who are to be treated equal according to our laws. It shouldn't have been brought up for a "vote" in our country in the first place.

    Anti homosexuality is not a 'civil' issue, it's a 'religious' issue... and OUR country have laws that 'seperate' church and state... plain. and. simple.


    okay /rant

    Posted by: aleabeth | Sep 7, 2010 11:36:25 AM

  7. Keep on dreaming, Mr "I believe in my imaginary god".

    Posted by: Richard | Sep 7, 2010 11:47:42 AM

  8. Once priests can get married, actually know what the hell they are talking about, it'll be time to listen to one of them compare marriage to coffee. Why not tea? Or milk? Maybe it's like 2% or maybe non-fat.

    And once he actually figures out that American has three branches of government so that one cannot make laws that are against the Constitution, either of the country or individual state, then maybe this man who knows nothing but nothing about our government can make a semi-intelligent statement. And even then it would only be semi-intelligent.


    Posted by: Bart | Sep 7, 2010 11:55:10 AM

  9. Being Catholic is like being a child molester. They both suck kiddie cock.

    Posted by: Olive Yurdich | Sep 7, 2010 11:57:19 AM

  10. Once again-The Vatican speaks of a subject they know absolutely nothing about-
    do you actually think you have any credibility left-idiots.
    Spend you time more effectively and go shopping for more Prada's.

    Posted by: Nick | Sep 7, 2010 11:59:46 AM

  11. I have always felt that a man or woman's relationship with god was a relationship between that person and god. Not another person and another man or woman and god. Somehow religion has turned into do as I say not as I do kind of thing. Having been raised a Catholic I am familiar with their version of Christianity, where it differs from what Christ preached as well as those few areas where it follows his teaching. Interestingly enough both the President of the Latter Day Saints and now Glenn Beck receive messages from god so the Pope is no longer on exclusive ground there.

    Posted by: Forrestabbey | Sep 7, 2010 12:08:57 PM

  12. So gay marriage is full-bodied & rich tasting. You can't tell the difference between it & regular--it just doesn't make you jittery if you have a lot of it.

    Posted by: hank | Sep 7, 2010 12:25:44 PM

  13. Actually, there's far more 'caffeine' in my 12 year relationship than most of the hetro marriages in my group of friends, which is exactly what the bigots probably fear.

    Posted by: DJSauvage | Sep 7, 2010 12:27:16 PM

  14. Next.

    Posted by: latebrosus | Sep 7, 2010 12:43:07 PM

  15. This is not what I'd call a stinging rebuke.

    Posted by: anon | Sep 7, 2010 12:53:54 PM

  16. I like the analogy, don't like his interpretation.

    Decaff- Same thing as coffee without certain risks. Like unexpected pregnancies or extra trips to the bathroom.

    Posted by: jexer | Sep 7, 2010 1:01:57 PM

  17. When you have to attempt to dumb down the marriage debate to your flock in such simplistic and nonsensical metaphors as "caffeinated vs. decaffeinated" it certainly doesn't say much for the regards you have for the intelligence of your flock. It merely proves the simplistic and simple-mindedness (and narrow world view) religion has of a complex and rich world of diversity.

    Posted by: Keith | Sep 7, 2010 1:08:10 PM

  18. That's just bizarre. I like caffeinated in the mornings and decaffeinated in the evenings. And men all the time :-)).

    Posted by: Andy | Sep 7, 2010 1:16:08 PM

  19. Another man in a dress explaining something s/he doesn't know anything about to those who actually do. Honey, I think your purse is on fire.

    Posted by: A. Beaverhausen | Sep 7, 2010 1:26:14 PM

  20. Father Gonzalo Miranda is not a father. Fathers do have children, he doesn't (does he?). He has no idea of a father-child relationship.
    And he certainly has no idea of human relationships as part of a couple, be it heterosexual or homosexual.

    In fact, Mister Miranda is an outsider to these questions. The whole Catholic Church is an organization of outsiders from life. His sayings have nothing to do with personal experience, but everything with the parrotlike repetition of a catholic doctrine created and perpetuated by the ritualized repetition itself.

    Mister Miranda is talking clergyshit. It's as simple as that.

    Posted by: Roman Bolliger, Switzerland | Sep 7, 2010 1:35:53 PM

  21. oh great. Is there a movement around to make decaf illegal now? What am I going to drink after dinner?

    Posted by: Brian | Sep 7, 2010 1:46:56 PM

  22. So would that make Mormons gay since they are against caffeine?

    Posted by: Scrammy | Sep 7, 2010 1:48:45 PM

  23. The 'people's' referendum argument is so near sighted. Where exactly does it end? Are we going to vote on Religions? Should we vote on how to handle the massive cover up of sexual abuse in the Catholic Church for the last 70 years? or, whether we allow virginal men who wear dresses and call themselves 'Father Miranda' to tell the rest of us how to live?

    Posted by: James | Sep 7, 2010 2:17:06 PM

  24. i don't need a stimulant to wake up

    Posted by: r | Sep 7, 2010 2:35:26 PM

  25. I agree with Rob^ that "Directives from the heart of the Papacy are but imitations of the true loving and accepting nature of God and his laws for all mankind."

    An important role of the judiciary, at least in the United States, has been to protect the minority from the tyranny of the majority. Do you think there would have been a majority vote for school integration in Arkansas or Alabama, for example?

    The Roman Catholic church (see especially their Knights of Columbus and Opus Dei subcultures) and the Mormon Church are both enemies of gay liberation and equality. Both institutions often have been on the wrong side of history, and everyone rational knows that they are on this issue also; just stumbling blocks to the inevitable in the case of full gay equality.

    I pray everyday that the members of the Roman Catholic church and Mormon church realize that they are the victims of fraud by their church leaders.

    Posted by: Fahd | Sep 7, 2010 2:35:54 PM

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