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  1. Craig says

    First, how was that recorded in reverse (notice the 5 in the corner)? Second, I thought they handled the bully thing really well – now maybe all bullies will be seen as latent gays by their peers and they’ll stop bullying to avoid that stigma. However I doubt any bullies actually watch Glee (or will admit to it).

  2. DR says

    Good twist; Blaine would have been way too obvious a candidate, and the buzz has been about Kurt getting a BF who is a jock and afraid to come out….

    I hope the show continues to explore this issue instead of having it resolved in one ep. Kurt needs a bit of redemption after the creepy stalker dude plots he’s gotten with Finn and, to a lesser extent, Sam. He needs a good gay friend in Blaine, but does NOT need Blaine to be his Knight in Shining Armor.

    I was glad Kurt stood up to him, now he needs to keep it up. I was disappointed with the last scene; not with Max Adler (who plays Dave Karofsky), but with the fact that Kurt just took the abuse again… the writing needs to be tighter. I know Kurt won’t become Superman in the span of an episode just by meeting Blaine, but he needs to keep standing up for himself.

  3. naughtylola says

    I sat bolt upright with my jaw hanging open at that scene, it really packed a punch (no pun intended there). I was a leeetle bit sorry that the smooch was not with Blaine for a couple of reasons, 1) because I am a weak, squishy romantic soul and want everyone to have true love, and b) it was actually an extremely unpleasant event (minor on the scale of life-altering trauma, but a huge bummer nonetheless).

    He doesn’t need Blaine to be his knight in shining armor, I agree with that. But he could use a little romance. EVERY OTHER MEMBER of the glee club has romance (Artie & Brittany!?) and to single Kurt out for no lovin’ is just a capricious way of singling him out yet again for being “the gay kid”. For pete’s sake, let him have a good old fashioned awkward teenage makeout session where nobody knows how to get buttons undone, zippers get stuck, people fall off beds and bonk their heads on coffee tables, etc.

  4. TampaZeke says

    I was having a snack when the scene aired. I was caught completely off guard and damn near choked to death!

    That was one of the most unexpected scenes I’ve ever seen. Totally blindsided. GLEE did a great job keeping this twist under their hats. I hope they continue to develop the story of the jock and don’t make this a one-off and done plotline.

  5. patrick nyc says

    I watched the show for the first time last night and have to say that considering what is on the tube today it is very well done, especially when it comes to gay content. Colfer does such a great job with his role, the scene with him talking to Blaine after he is caught spying, and he starts to tear up when telling him how he’s bullied is heartbreaking.

    I hope they keep Blaine as a strong role model, and develop the bully into coming out and becoming an ally, then he can find another for the romance.

    The other story lines were well done, the Coach story was also well played, showing kids how much they can hurt as well. This show is great for their target audience, kids will take this with them. The line about besides parents high school can really fuck you up.

  6. says

    Well, I was disappointed with the whole scene. This goes back to the idea that those who are violent against gays are “in the closet”; nothing could be further from the truth. It is a typical plot and we have seen it in numerous gay movies over the years.

    If the writers do not have the football player declare that he is gay and want to be Kurt’s boyfriend…then it will be a BIG failure.

    Mercedes is black and overweight of course she is right next to Kurt in line for not having any romance or anyone finding her desirable.

  7. Rob says

    “Glee” is the only network series I follow weekly. I love the way the writers are weaving the Kurt storyline into the show. The football coach’s storyline was a nice touch last night, too. I also like most of the music choices selected for each episode. Way to go Ryan Murphy and associates for giving me something enjoyable to look forward to watching, hearing and recording each Tuesday evening.

  8. says

    God forbid a gay kiss isn’t rife with drama and pain and complications. God forbid we can’t simply have two gay guys who kiss because they want to and it be simple and good rather than something that one of the characters have to run from.

  9. Bobby says

    The spotlight that GLEE put on bullying and fear of who you are and who people think you are and even showing self-hatred is simply some of the best television I’ve ever seen. How they can approach subjects like Britney Spears in one episode and have one with such meaning as last night’s is a testament to the actors, writers, musicians, producers and directors of GLEE. I am awed by the talent and the message. THANK YOU powers-that-be for such an amazing television experience.

  10. Q says

    Fuck this show! They reduced Mercedes to nothing but background fodder. She went from the stereotypical fat Black sassy singing diva (but at least she was given EQUAL TIME) to zero in two season. Instead of giving her a romance and a LIFE, they added the most ARYAN new character they could find and gave HIM more air time!

  11. Hue-Man says

    Why has no one mentioned that after the first kiss attack, Ham Hock lunged in for a second taste of those soft Kurt lips? Isn’t there a rule that admits for a possible “accident” on the first kiss but absolutely no doubt on the second attempt? I’m afraid that this football player has a serious case of the gay.

  12. patrick nyc says

    TRUE WORDS you say that the writers got it wrong with the bully having issues over his own sexuality,

    ‘This goes back to the idea that those who are violent against gays are “in the closet”; nothing could be further from the truth. It is a typical plot and we have seen it in numerous gay movies over the years.’

    Sorry to disappoint and kill your theory, but Murphy, who created the show, says the storyline is based on a true story of someone he grew up with.

    http://artsbeat.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/11/10/teenage-dreams-and-nightmares-talking-never-been-kissed-with-ryan-murphy-of-glee/?hp

  13. naughtylola says

    Mercedes and Puck were hooking up briefly, the product of their union being one of the best numbers that Glee has produced to date (“The Lady is a Tramp”).

    I don’t think this is any kind of sign that Kurt is going to end up with this guy, I think it was a left hook to shock people into paying attention. As a teaser, there is an audio track floating around out there of Blaine and Kurt singing “Baby It’s Cold Outside”, so I’m crossing my fingers that that’s the direction the writers are going…

  14. JJ says

    glee has been a disappoint for me (what ive seen at least). the show usually feels forced. but whenever i see it, that kid that plays kurt – his acting is ON POINT. he deserves an emmy

  15. says

    Give Colfer an Emmy NOW.

    And to all those bitching about Mercedes being in the background, I totally miss her, too. BUT, last season everyone bitched about “Asian Guy” getting no lines. Now, Chang is an actual character, not just a background dancer. The show has so many characters, they’re going to have to take turns. I’m sure Mercedes will be back in the spotlight at some point. Love how little face time Rachel and Finn got in this episode.

    PS – Screw Sam, Blaine is way hotter.

  16. Hollywood, CA says

    WHAT THEY DID RIGHT – Fantastic emmy award worthy episode! So many favorite parts. When Blaine comes out and says he’s gay and these guys are straight, it’s perfection. No big showy production about it, or jokes to “take the edge off.” I’m gay, they’re straight, moving on. That’s they way everyone should be with it.

    Kurt/Chris is doing some amazing work for a new actor. He puts so much emotion into the scenes, we watched them all twice last night.

    In the back of my mind I thought the jock was gay because of the intensity of his hate for Kurt, but I still gasped when he lunged for a kiss… so amazing!

    The Katy Perry acapella version was genius. I would have loved to attend that school!

    The Start Me Up/Living On A Prayer mashup was great! The girls looked amazing!.

    Many more things, but great episode!

  17. Hollywood, CA says

    WHAT DIDN’T SEEM RIGHT – Far overshadowed by the awesomeness of the episode, some things made me pause:

    Why on EARTH would Mr. Shue tell that poor woman that the guys think of her to lose their wood?! One of the most cruel things I have ever seen doen on this show. It was bullshit, and he could have gotten out of it. Made me hate his character, which hasn’t been very likeable this season.

    Why is Puck fat?

    Kurt’s mother was wealthy, so in actuality, having him attend the boys school would be a no brainer. His only real friend is a barely there Mercedes, so I really have to see a good reason for him to stay.

    Why did they let the black guy go? He gets the boot, and then they hire the blonde blue-eyed Sam? Doesn’t seem fair. And it’s a glee club with 4 straight football players, 5 if you count Artie? Is that really reflective?

    Sam and Quinn storyline = Blah.

    Tina and Mike Chang storyline – Beyond Blah.

    Less Mercedes = Less fun.

    I use to love Finn’s character… not so much anymore. What happened?

    And what is up with the over the top production numbers??? The 1st season was great because it was a bunch of misfits coming together with one voice that touched everyone’s heart. No special effects or lavish costumes, just their voices. Something kids across the US could relate to and emulate. Now you have most of the kids looking like AB Fitch Models (Sam, Finn, Quinn, Brittney, Santana, Mike), Rachel Berry seems to have stopped eating, and the numbers look like music videos. Can we pull back a bit, please?

  18. GregV says

    @ TrueWords: Everyone I’ve ever known who was violently opposed to gays showed signs and/or eventually admitted that he was terrified of his own sexual feelings. Sometimes they’re gay and sometimes they’re afraid of any sign of sexual feelings for males that they feel within themselves. A psychologist told me he sees that ALL THE TIME.
    When I was closeted, straight-but-gay-friendly guys never made any kind of sexual move on me, ever.
    Homophobic guys tried all kinds of very awkward and sometimes inappropriate things (just like Ham Hock did here) and then would get even more awkward trying to cover the tracks.
    This is a real-life phenomenon and based on a real-life experience.

    PS to others regarding Mercedes: Well, she did have a fling with Puck.

  19. pParkerT says

    I thought that kiss was so awkward and that’s why it was so perfect. Is anyone’s first gay kiss perfect? Is anyone’s first kiss, gay or straight, perfect?

    Bravo! I hope this storyline goes somewhere.

  20. Dan says

    If you didn’t see this coming, you have probably never watched any gay media involved with bullying. It’s a cliche to suggest all bullies are closeted, and ignores the fact that there are a large number of people who hate the gay community and are happily straight.

    I also completely agree with Q. It’s insulting that a show so “committed” to championing the outsiders has completely written off Mercedes (except when they need a belter), brought in another straight, pretty white boy, and makes Kurt an endless victim. Iwon’t say this show is bad. It’s just the least ground-breaking show ever posing as something important.

    And while I’m on a rant, the Puck and Artie story last night was incredibly boring, and their song was the least convincing part. I’ve seen 3 episodes of this show, and definitely won’t watch another one on air. Let’s stop deluding ourselves into thinking this is life-affirming,

  21. Poppins says

    MMmm if only a jock would have kissed me like that in high school…anyways he’s not mad at kurt but mad at himself…maybe he knows he’ll get no support from family or friends. I thought he was cute but that personality made him an ugly @##$hole

  22. TANK says

    like most thing associated with the gay community, this latest fascination is, too, embarrassing. But it does confirm that many gays are stereotypically over the top and flamboyantly effeminate…not that there’s anything wrong with that…just a little much most of the time.

  23. BigBlonde says

    I think another important aspect is having a potentially pudgy gay character. Growing up gay and chubby can be horrible. You’re ostracized for being gay and then ridiculed and made to feel like crap by other gay people if you’re not in shape and hot. When I was in high school I had no idea about the bear community. I figured if you were gay and fat you were unworthy of love (kinda like how coach beast felt in the episode). I really hope the bully character comes out and can help give other pudgy gay kids some hope–showing them you don’t have to be a skinny or muscular body type to get your gay card.

  24. says

    Well, my bully from high school sucks dick now, so I’d say that this is an accurate representation of one type of bully. I think that forgiveness is a big life lesson too, learning how to do it, so if Kurt and his Bully do end up together it will show growth in that respect. I’d actually like for them to continue with the Bully character, I think it could turn into something great.

  25. says

    I’m glad I’m not the only one who wasn’t that surprised by the kiss. The gay bully stereotype doesn’t get nearly enough play. When Frontline did their episode, “Assault on Gay America,” they even found research from the University of Georgia linking homophobia to latent same-sex attraction http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/assault/roots/

    Just like we might tell a little girl that the boy that taunted her on the playground might be acting out a crush, maybe we should be telling gay youth that your bully would rather stick his tongue down your throat then his fist. If that were the first thing that came to mind with gay bullying, then maybe it would be a little more embarrassing for the bully.

  26. says

    I like that they went there with Kurt. I’d like to see Kurt enter some type of relationship with Karofsky but I don’t see it as being especially interesting for his coming out to be the end result. Glee isn’t necessarily a show about happy endings. Let’s not forget the pilot that established the high school as a concrete nightmare filled with sociopaths in athletic uniforms. I don’t think there is enough time in the season to turn Karofsky into someone anywhere near ready to come out.
    Instead, they could use this as a means of letting Kurt settle more comfortably in his identity. By kissing Kurt, Karofsky had him an incredible amount of power. I’d like to see Kurt use that power to his advantage so that he can stop being a victim and start being bad ass… even if that means he still gets bullied.

  27. MarkDC says

    GLEE SUCKS.

    Thank god for HULU. I can fast forward through all the dreck turning an hour of torture to a tolerable 20 minutes of boredom.

    ANY scene without Heather Morris is a waste of time.

  28. naughtylola says

    @Charles, my concern with your message is that it essentially tells the victims of bullying that they should really be flattered by the attention because the person tormenting them really is secretly in love with them. I had a jr high school teacher tell me that same thing about the two guys who tortured me every day in school for a year. It didn’t stop them from shoving me into the blackboard in her own classroom while she stood at the back of the room watching everything.

    I do, however, fully support your notion of Kurt turning the tables and exerting some power. I am reminded of the scene in “Batman Begins” when Batman shows up on Sgt. Gordon’s fire escape. Batman tells him he’s a good man and Gordon replies “But I’m just one guy” and Batman whispers “Now we’re two.” Kurt was just one guy, but now there’s Blaine, and sometimes just knowing there’s someone out there who has your back is utterly transformative. Even if it doesn’t fix your problems, it makes it so much easier to confront what you can’t and bear what you can’t.

  29. says

    Haven’t seen the episode in full, but I liked how Kurt backed away when HamHock went in for another kiss. Kurt a stereotype? He didn’t instantly jump into bed with the first guy that showed him affection.

  30. Deidre says

    At the beginning of this episode, I sorta sensed something was up with the bully, as in when in grade school,, the guy with the crush on you is always the one teasing you and hitting you. With the bully Karosky this makes sense because he’s obviously repressed these feelings and on top of that he hates himself for even feeling this way. I thought the kiss scene was great. Karofsky/Max Adler is a great actor; all at once he was furious, then relieved at having finally kissed Kurt, shocked at himself for actually having done that, upset that Kurt rejected him and then terrified at the repercussions for himself. You could see the confusion and pain on his face, like he was gonna burst into tears at any moment. I thought the scene with he, Kurt and Blaine was great too. He looked at first upset that Kurt was with his maybe boyfriend, then disgusted and yet again terrified that they were actually confronting him in public where anyone might hear. Great story line. I really hope he and Kurt work this out and there is a love triagle of sort between Kurt, Blaine and himself. After he works out his cruel bullying. I felt sorry for him.

  31. says

    @NAUGHTYLOLA I didn’t mean to imply the Kurt should just be happy to think that he might have a crush. This might sounds pretty vindictive and it probably is but that concept, true or not, is a means of turning the tables. If you make a well enough placed crack about how throwing you into the chalkboard for no reason is a proxy for sucking on your penis then that bully would probably be humiliated. If he’s as much of a doucheface as Karofsky then others might find it hilarious and the idea would catch on. By doing that, you turn his attempt at humiliating you into a public humiliation of him like bullying judo.

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