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  1. Alex says

    Yeah I remember too: I remember all of Obama’s promises about gay equality, and all his lies, and how he turned DOJ into the most homophobic department of government. I remember, so I’m not wasting my time voting for slimy dishonest Obama-style Democrats.

  2. ila lwara says

    The one thing that is good about this video is that they are pointing to accurate things that have happened, whereas tea-party videos are pointing to things that they claim will happen. (Because God revealed to them the liberal agenda)

  3. BenB says

    I don’t believe that to be the case. I’m not a Democrat supporter, I’m not even an American (though my boyfriend is), but I don’t think anything in that advert is false. It neglects to mention the Democrats’ contribution to America’s current situation, but it is a campaign video, and given the two party system in the US, at times mandated in state constitutions, it’s not like people have an awful lot of choice in who they vote for. The two party system is unfair and in the US all that people are going to get is the lesser of two evils.

    The Tea Party constantly warn of the horrors of a ‘socialist’ Democrat future. What condemns the Republicans is a glimpse of the past, the precedent of their behaviour, which this advert provides. Given that past, I don’t think anyone can be blamed for wanting to draw attention to it.

  4. ant says

    I CAN’T remember a time when I was such a dumbass about where my true interests lay – I’m talking to you Kipp and Alex – that I would vote against those interests. Or a time when I was so stupid I didn’t vote at all.

  5. Tollendyr says

    I love how people seem to assume that if you don’t vote Republican, you’re going to vote Democrat. Whatever happened to Independents and Write-Ins? The presumption honestly bothers me. It’s no one’s business *who* you vote for, and yet the assumption is that if you’re a disillusioned Dem, you’re either not going to vote, or doing something wrong in peoples’ eyes. If I go out, and write-in someone I honestly and truly think should have a particular position, then I’ve done my civic duty. It’s not my job, responsibility, duty or any *other* term they’d like to use, to get Dems elected.

    People love to say that voting for Independents or Write-Ins is “throwing your vote away” or that doing either is as bad as voting Republican.

    If the best America can offer me is the “lesser of two evils” then perhaps it’s high time to review this two-party system we have going, ’cause it ain’t workin’.

  6. DavidW says

    I see a lot of stupid Gay people that would rather swop apathy for being actively discriminated against. Buddies you’ve been spoiled for too long……look around the World and see your future under the Republithugs……maybe you won’t have the quick death of hanging from a crane like they do in Iran but you will die the slow one of marginalisation and then active exclusion. Think about it. I am not an American but being Gay I do care about my people……….I hope you care enough about yourselves to wake up and smell the roses.

  7. Paul R says

    Tollendyr, it’s called splitting the vote. Of course it’s always going to be the lesser of two evils. How many decent people would want to get involved in politics? It’s a career where your entire life is reviewed and attacked, where you have to be on and accurate 24/7, and where compromise is the name of the game if you expect to make any progress.

    I agree that voting is better than not voting, but voting for a candidate who has no chance of winning and wins a couple percentage points of the vote doesn’t display much to anyone except that your candidate lost by a wide margin. I basically agree with your high-minded rhetoric, but the reality is that American politics—like politics everywhere—is sludge. But yeah, you are throwing away your vote because its demonstration effect is minimal and ignored.

    And voting Green or independent invariably pulls votes away from Democrats; you have to recognize that. Republicans simply don’t vote for third party candidates (with a few exceptions in 1992 for Perot). If Ralph Nader hadn’t run in 2000 aside to boost his own ego, Gore would have won. Think the world might be a lot different today had that been the case?

  8. SteveC says

    I remember.

    I am not voting Republican.

    I am not voting Democrat.

    I am voting Green.

    It’s not my fault that the US 2 party system is undemocratic.

    And I do not feel pressured any longer to vote for the ‘lesser’ of 2 evils.

  9. Paul R says

    So, SteveC, why bother to vote at all? You know the Greens have no chance of winning. So your vote is a waste of time. Greens have won many elections, even in liberal enclaves like San Francisco?

    Some protests are crucial, but voting against your self-interest simply to express frustration serves no purpose whatsoever.

  10. DavidW says

    So SteveC…you quite obviously have never lived in a place where you are hounded and strung up for being Gay. sometimes you have to swallow your spoiled, Capitalist, me only petulance and learn to vote strategically…………..otherwise you will deserve what you get buddy.

  11. 21st Century Voter says

    I voted for all the Democrats because that is what is in MY best interest, for this midterm election, to get a more gay friendly Congress.

    As for the White House, THAT has to wait for 2012.

    As for the Tea Party — I’m afraid their pot is cracked. They mostly believe in the 18th century America where everyone who counted was white, grew his own vegetables and shot any stranger on sight.

    If you’ve talked yourself out of using your vote in your own best interest, then there’s nothing left but to sit on the sidelines and watch.

  12. says

    Where are all these Green Party candidates people claim to be voting for? Are we living in Europe, where Green candidates are viable?

    We have Progressives in VT as a viable party (Bernie was a Progressive). But Greens? Really? For Congress or Senate? For Governor? For what?

  13. says

    Brian: Obama is not running. Senators, congressmen, governors, state legislators: those guys are running. Our candidate for governor, for example, IS a fierce advocate and orchestrated 2/3 votes in the state senate for marriage equality. I’m voting for him. He’s a Democrat.

    The Republican came into politics because he opposed Civil Unions. I’m not voting for him. I remember.

  14. LincolnLounger says

    I remember Jimmy Carter and how good it felt when he got his clock cleaned in 1980.

    Tomorrow we stick it to the next incarnation of Jimmy Carter.

  15. TANK says

    ANd LL is another crazed extremist party line voter who deserves the scorn heaped upon him…but he’s largely ignored, which works for me…you are a spineless apologist, LL, who defends a party that largely wishes you didn’t exist.

  16. Robert says

    Bitching about our two party system and voting green is exactly how Bush got into office. I wish the bitterest of you bitter queens weren’t also so fundamentally stupid.

  17. LincolnLounger says

    “Crazed extremist party line voter”? That’s hilarious.

    For the record, I’m a squishy social moderate and fiscal conservative. Unfortunately, Barack Obama, Nancy Pelosi, and Harry Reid turned me into a raving Republican. Tomorrow, two of those will lose their jobs — hallelujah.

    The gay community will continue to get taken for granted by the Democrats and ignored by the Republicans until we get over the “all Republicans are evil” crap.
    We’re not all tea partiers.

  18. ricky says

    LL — Jimmy Carter lost the 1980 election because he committed the greatest sin in politics – he told the truth to the stupid masses like you. Yes, Carter told America to buck-up – oil was not endless – and we could not simply go into debt in order to avoid the hard choices – America never forgave him and voted instead for the actor who said the lines this lazy whore of a country needed so pathetically to hear – and though Reagan ran on a platform that said the national debt was the greatest threat to our national security – and then proceeded to increase that debt by more than any president since WWII – America loved him nonetheless.

    In you happiness at Carter’s loss – Reagan – may be burn in Hell for all eternity – also is responsible for deregulating banking and Wall Street — which — 20 years later gave America her worst financial crisis ever – that is far from even being close to over — thanks to your pathetic need for lazy lies told by bad actors.

    Your party has never been anything by incompetent half-men who treat you like a useless idiot – and you love them for it – do you just secretly whisper daddy or do you say it out loud.

  19. VAVA says

    Look at all these lil bitter gays in here, stickin’ it to the man! How adorable. Just see how your little stunt will feel when the GOP works on repealing hate crimes, blocking DADT and DOMA repeal, and blocking ENDA. Feel really proud of yourselves.

  20. Coffee&Chicory says

    Thanks to the Constitution, NO ONE has to settle. If a vote is valid, it is not wasted. If I decide to vote for my neighbor, because I believe he or she is more qualified to run this country and legislature than any of the “two-party” candidates, that’s my right and no can tell me I wasted my vote. Why does a vote out of the two-party system, have to be one thrown away? I vote based on my ideology, beliefs, and self-respect and if I don’t feel comfortable placing that vote with a Dem or Repub, than so be it, I’ll vote for someone who has my confidence. And don’t you dare tell me it was wasted, cause it’s MY vote. Not yours or theirs.

  21. LincolnLounger says

    Funny how nothing is Obama’s fault. It’s either George W. Bush’s fault or now it’s apparently Ronald Reagan’s fault.

    This recession, of course, had nothing to do with the demise of the housing market. Take a look at Fannie and Freddie and see who was in charge. How about Franklin Raines? Whose transition team did he serve on?

    Typical smug Obama liberal, Ricky. SO much smarter than the “masses” who are uneducated and ill-informed like you and the MSNBC crowd. It’s you and your ilk who are going to be screaming “Daddy” tomorrow night when those GOP votes roll in like a tidal wave.

  22. TANK says

    no, LL–I’ve seen you blatently defend some of the most repulsive republican tactics. Your support of republicans has nothing to do with fiscal conservatism, as I’m pretty sure you defended their opposition to small business tax relief as per your party’s marching orders…look, you’re just as much of a zombie as any other true believer party line voter, and should be ignored.

  23. ravewulf says

    I don’t need reminding, I am fully aware of how backwards they are on every single issue.

    I’ll take barely crawling towards progress and sanity over hurling head first into crazy-ville any day.

  24. ravewulf says

    If the US doesn’t wake up and move a hell of a lot more to the libertarian-left in the next decade, I’ll probably just abandon this country to rot (I love the concepts that this country was based on, but these conservative extremists (now known as mainstream conservatives) have so distorted what this country was ACTUALLY founded on, it’s insanity).

    http://www.politicalcompass.org/uselection2008
    http://www.politicalcompass.org/analysis2
    http://www.politicalcompass.org/euchart

    Sweden looks quite nice.

  25. SKOC211 says

    I guess the beauty of this country is that you are entitled to throw your vote away on a third party candidate. Unfortunately for those of us living in the real world we have a two party system that isn’t going anywhere. And having that pesky thing called a memory would of course bring to mind Ralph Nader in 2000 and George W. Bush’s “win.”

    This is not a referendum on President Obama. That would be the next presidential election in 2012. I suppose you could say this is a referendum on Nancy Pelosi, but the House happened to pass an abundance of exceptional legislation that died in the Senate – upwards of 400 bills. So if your remedy for dissatisfaction with House Democrats is to take away their ability to more easily pass progressive legislation not only are you insane you have spent the last two years not paying attention. Perhaps this is a referendum on Harry Reid who deserves some criticism. But if you don’t realize the structural obstacles of getting anything accomplished in the Senate and think Sharon Angle will fix that then you are just stupid.

    And still the 111th Congress presided over one of the most successful legislative periods in American history. It is also a fact that more is accomplished when both the legislative branch and the executive branch are under control of the same party. What did we get? We have gotten the Lily Ledbeter fair pay act, expansion of the powers of the FDA to regulate tobacco products, meaningful credit card reform, hate crimes legislation, a stimulus package that not only worked in preventing another great depression but also contained tax cuts for 95% of the country as well as more investment in clean energy and education than ever before, Wall Street reform, and Health care reform which is the closest this country has come to universal health coverage in the past century of people trying to get it done.

    As President Obama pointed out he was not able to transform everything in 18 months, but, especially with regard to health care, we at least now have the basic structures to work from for more meaningful progress. Rome wasn’t built in a day and social security wasn’t where it was today right at the start.

    I am frustrated with the lack of progress on LGBT issues but the Republicans will do nothing, they will continue to fight anything and everything, and have been abusing our community for decades. And you know what, I’ll take what we’ve gotten over the past two years. Policy over politics, as Rachel Maddow pointed out tonight.

  26. Matt says

    I remember, and I’ll vote for the lesser of two evils yet again. But I’ll find a line down ticket for the Democrat. I will NOT vote for the Dem on the Dem line. It might make them understand how disgusted with them we really are. “Change”? Yeah, right! WHEN?

  27. Shira says

    All you folks voting Green will get screwed either way. You’re handing votes to the conservatives on a silver platter, which means you won’t get equality any time soon, AND you’re giving liberal voters a way to scapegoat us, just as they did in 2004 when they blamed us for costing them the election by wanting to get married. If you really don’t care whether you ever see equality in your lifetime, go ahead, vote third party. If the country actually matters to you, pick from the people who actually have a shot at winning.

  28. Tranquilo says

    Pshaw. What a bunch of crap, Lincoln Lounger. You’re so invested in kissing the boot of Cheney/Bush that you conveniently forget that it was they and their party’s Congress who 1) took Clinton’s surplus and turned it into debt 2) exploited the grief of 9/11 to drive us into unnecessary war 3) was in charge when the ‘Great Recession’ began. You can scream your revisionist “Fannie/Freddie’ crap all day (along with its implicit blaming of the poor and minorities), but it was the corrupt Bush/Cheney regime that brought us here.

    Is this a defense of Obama? No. His leadership in getting us out of your party’s mess has been regretfully inadequate and weak. That doesn’t change where this began.

  29. Bill Perdue says

    “House Forecast: G.O.P. Plus 54-55 Seats; Significantly Larger or Smaller Gains Possible – Nate Silver in Mondays NY Times

    The election remains volatile because of the economy – we’re in a Depression. “We are now, I fear, in the early stages of a third depression.” economist Paul Krugman, NY Times 06 28 2010

    It doesn’t matter in the least whether the Republicans or the Democrats win today because the rest of us are going to lose.

    LGBT folks are going to lose this election, like we’ve lost every election since Stonewall. Bigots will win this election.

    Working people are going to lose this election no matter which party of austerity wins. So will unions. Both parties are run by union busters.

    Environmentalists and everyone affected by the growing destabilization of the atmosphere and oceans are going to lose this election. BP and Haliburton will win this election.

    Immigrants and imported workers victimized by racist decisions like Obama’s denial of health care and the Republicans immigrant bashing are going to lose.

    Thousands of GI’s and tens of thousands of civilians in Palestine, Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan are going to be crushed, burned, and torn to pieces because the Pentagon, BP and Haliburton are going to win this election.

    The nearly 17% permanently unemployed, the homeless and those callously thrown into poverty by the malign neglect of the Democrats and Republicans are going to lose. Both parties enrich the rich and deny passage of multi-trillion dollar bills to end unemployment, create a green economy and recreate a green infrastructure.

    We’ve had decades of right wing policies under Reagan, the Bushes, the Clintons and now Obama. Thankfully people, very large numbers of people, are beginning to learn. Vote for socialist or AFL_CIO Labor Party candidates, write in, or join the millions tired of being duped and sit it out.

  30. Martin Murray says

    Remember – the 2 Party systemm is fundamentally undemocratic.

    “SteveC, why bother to vote at all? You know the Greens have no chance of winning. So your vote is a waste of time.”

    So I have a choice between useless and even more useless if tyhe Democrats or Republicans are the onlyu options.

    Like I already said, it is not my fault that the US is not a democracy in any real sense.

    I am voting with my conscience. Yet sonehow that is a wasted vote.

    What a PATHETIC statement about American ‘democracy’.

  31. Martin Murray says

    Voting will not gain us our rights.

    It seems ever more evident that unless there is serious social unrest among our community, then no-one is EVER going to take the LGBT community seriously.

    Vote Democrat if you like.

    But accept at the same time that the Democrats will do NOTHING about DADT; DOMA; ENDA or marriage equality.

  32. says

    I have been voting since the 1950s, and by now I would of thought the Gop-heads would of given me one reason to vote for one of them running for high office… and they are still batting .000% with me. They are just for the the rich… and the same goes for the Log Cabin gays… Next time we’ll get even, because tea bags loose their strength after one use! WAKE UP AMERICA and VOTE DEMOCRATIC, as if your life depended on it, because it does!

  33. Rob says

    I thought that was a good, very accurate ad. To a person with a memory of any kind, they should be able to remember the facts this ad brings up.

    Only wish that they would have been showing this on TV instead of just the internet.

  34. Cracka says

    They remember when the Republicans tried to poison their meat and eggs? Yea…I’m not remembering that one. Looks pretty desperate to me. Boo Hoo they’re going to lose some of their power. They abused it so they deserve what they get.

  35. jdb says

    I remember a President who promised fierce advocacy, and instead has given us weak tea.

    If the Republicans run a seriously credible pro-gay candidate in 2012, they’ve got my vote. Unless President Obama somehow manages to repeal DADT after today’s election. If he can’t even keep that small promise, he’s not worth my vote.

  36. Wilkby says

    Hey LincolnLounger, Kipp, and Alex: Why don’t you go to CPAC and then come back and tell us how welcome they made you feel. Of course, all the republicans who openly hate people like you are threatening to boycott CPAC if you and all the other gay Uncle Tom’s show up.

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