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Watch: Rachel Maddow Interviews Ugandan MP David Bahati, Author of the 'Kill the Gays' Bill


Rachel Maddow last night interviewed David Bahati, the Ugandan MP who authored the 'kill the gays' bill, which is still, unfortunately, alive and well in that nation.

Says Bahati: "I want to make the record straight...I do not hate gays, but at the same time I must protect our children who are being recruited into this practice."

Maddow confronts Bahati about his claims of evidence that children are being recruited into homosexuality, and asks Bahati what he believes will happen to gay people in Uganda because of his bill.

Says Bahati: We don't believe homosexuality is a human right in Uganda. IF we take it as a crime, who is engaged in this will face the rule of law. This is a learned behavior that can be unlearned."

Finally, Bahati says, "God's law is always clear that the wages of sin is death."

Rachel will air part two to this excellent interview tonight.


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  1. yikes.

    Posted by: me | Dec 9, 2010 8:42:55 AM

  2. He has a lot in common with conservatives in the US -- he's asked a question, and he responds with a talking point which attempts to justify his cause but does not answer the question.

    Unfortunately this really can't be classified as an interview. Rachel asked excellent questions; what she got back, however, was a "Kill the Gays" promotional pamphlet.

    I do wish she would have challenged him further on the assertion that homosexuality is learned behavior. Bahati DID mention very briefly that they had on video teachers telling children it is okay for a man to sleep with another man. Evidently, THAT is what he defines as recruitment: simply telling kids that homosexuality is okay.

    I'm assuming she missed it, because she kept asking him for his proof that children are being recruited. Just hearing him say what was on the video should have been enough to challenge what it proves.

    Posted by: sparks | Dec 9, 2010 8:43:56 AM

  3. Gawds law also says that since he shaves his beard he must be stoned to death

    Gawds law = the wages of shaving your beard = death

    Posted by: | Dec 9, 2010 9:17:15 AM

  4. Excellent point MSTROZFCKSLV. I bet his suit had mixed fabrics too and of course the Bible said that Black skin was the result of a curse.

    Posted by: Bobby | Dec 9, 2010 9:50:14 AM

  5. how many readers of this blog could have remained as level-headed as Maddow when faced with the level of ignorance and animus that Bahati displayed? Maddow was wonderful ... allowing Bahati's own words to do the job. Great work, Maddow.

    Posted by: mepaul | Dec 9, 2010 10:12:56 AM

  6. That's the Mormon Bible Bobby.

    This MP is a lying sack of shit. The Theocrats in The Family are just using dicks like this as a dry run for what they want to implement here.

    Posted by: Polyboy | Dec 9, 2010 11:44:05 AM

  7. The whole time I wanted to see his reaction to her telling him that she is a lesbian.

    Maybe tonight?

    Posted by: anon | Dec 9, 2010 12:04:17 PM

  8. Speaking of recruiting, where are the laws preventing children from being recruited as soldiers in the regional warfare in Uganda? Google "child soldiers Uganda" & see how many horror stories come up. I wish we could recruit children, maybe they'd have a chance of finding a loving, supportive community. An opportunistic politician is all he is-- he'll change his tune depending on where the money is coming from.

    Posted by: 2cents | Dec 9, 2010 12:53:17 PM

  9. I think it's good that she didn't up set him and have him storm off. Her cool demeanor just let him soak in his own stupidity. He never answered a question, just gave some bullshit TEA PARTY like misdirection. He says that homosexuality is a sin. She asks him what the bible says should be the punishment for homosexuality? He should have said "imprisonment and execution," because that's what there bill says. Instead, because they know they can't back that up and it's wrong, he says "protect the children over and over and over.

    Posted by: Hollywood, CA | Dec 9, 2010 3:48:06 PM

  10. "That's the Mormon Bible Bobby."

    @Polyboy: The idea that mixed fabrics and shaved faces are an abomination come from Leviticus and the idea that black skin was a curse was cited commonly by "Christians" in the US in the '50's by referring to the Bible's story of Ham, Shem and Japeth.

    I did wonder how he would have reacted if Rachel had called him on the fact he obviously has no regard for any of the numerous other Levitical laws he was obviously breaking even during the interview.
    He also must be somewhat less than fully literate on Jesus' teachings if he believes that "a certain Jewish carpenter" ever said one sentence that would even remotely agree with the hateful agenda he's pushing.

    Posted by: GregV | Dec 9, 2010 4:21:33 PM

  11. Religious Fascism is the world's biggest threat at home and abroad -- always has been and always will be.

    Posted by: Tony X | Dec 10, 2010 10:48:13 AM

  12. Wow freaking unreal and just crazy! Being a heterosexual male I can't even imagine this guy speaks for a country. I believe from every fiber of my being that you are born gay and its not a choice or leaned process. This just pushes away people from Religion and mans stupid interpretation of the Bible. All I can say is "Holy Shit" and boycott this crazy country.

    Posted by: wslandry | Dec 10, 2010 11:03:53 AM

  13. "The Family" here in the United States should be held accountable for this too! free speech is one thing, but preaching and promoting hate and harm to any minority group is wrong. THAT should be against the law. Would love to see a few of the haters in that disgusting group of zealots held accountable. Every damn word that this moron says sounds like it was puked out by a far-right wing-nut from here in the US and force-fed to him, just so he can puke it out on his own people.

    I say let's have an inquiry into the actions of the 'Family' in Africa and see if they have crossed any legal lines and bring them down!

    Posted by: CKNJ | Dec 10, 2010 12:52:45 PM

  14. More on Bahati:

    Posted by: Ole | Jan 13, 2011 3:32:44 AM

  15. Well, David you and Rebecca Kadaga have succeeded in bringing in a law that will persecute homosexuals - and you, David have done it under the disguise of morality. Gays do NOT engage children and you know it! This is a fear tactic to further your cause.
    "Rachel is weeping for her children," a Biblical text that accounts for a mother's sorrow when her children are gone/killed/jailed.
    Jesus told us not to judge - but you seem not to listen to Jesus.
    Jesus gave us the Good Samaritan Parable where the most despised of His day (the Samaritan) is raised to the level of a hero above the Jewish bible thumpers like you. Jesus told us to love one another, but you do not listen to Jesus.
    David, you are now responsible before God for the innocent blood of your homosexual brothers and sisters.

    Posted by: paulakey | Dec 23, 2013 11:13:50 PM

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