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FOX & Friends offers a sympathetic ear to the Family Research Council's Tony Perkins, who wants the Southern Poverty Law Center to retract their designation of FRC as a hate group.

In fact, the reasons for the SPLC's designation are well-documented

Jeremy Hooper at Good as You also uncovered a document, as yet unreleased, which shows that FRC is developing a campaign with some of the other anti-gay groups which the SPLC labeled as hate groups, to try to spin the lie that they are the victims.

Watch Perkins spew lies on FOX & Friends, and read the document, AFTER THE JUMP...

Here's the document:

StartDebatingStopHating.com: FRC's ridiculous attempt to spin the SPLC list

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  1. Well, that opening sentence is an extraordinarily Freudian bit of dissonance:

    "The surest sign one is losing a debate is to resort to character assassination. The Southern Poverty Law Center, a liberal fundraising machine whose tactics have been condemned by observers across the politicial spectrum..."

    Uh huh. They don't even see what they just did there, do they?

    Posted by: Andrew W | Dec 10, 2010 7:02:49 PM


  2. "they can't win in this debate" LOL What mirror world do they live in?

    "the research we put out" "empirical peer-reviewed research"
    that's where they're lying (well, ONE place)

    SPLC is a "very marginal group"???? right!

    Posted by: KevinVT | Dec 10, 2010 7:08:27 PM


  3. no, i don't think i'll watch tony perkins spew his lies. i already know what he's going to say and that the folks at fox & friends (we should all be suspect of a purported news show that has the same name as a kids' show, anyhow)will say nothing to contradict him on his message of lies.

    Posted by: alguien | Dec 10, 2010 7:10:04 PM


  4. Hey there, Andrew W.,
    Rest assured that the FRC does indeed know what they've done there. They are more sophisticated than most bigots. After Tony Perkins listed his military and police background, he then asserts the "fungible" hate message, this time against gay folks, another time against "abortionists" both patients & their doctors, repeating their organization's Major Lie that they don't hate these targets of their intolerance. They merely spend all of their donor cash on attacking them with vitriol. As Will Rogers once said, "Never trust a man who keeps telling you how honest he is!" These barbarians in finely tailored suits & ties have as their primary goal the traitorous goal of an American Theocracy. These are well-practiced deceivers who justify any means to their ultimate goal of a Christian Dominionist takeover of all levels of American government in order to exterminate, in the name of God, all who differ from a New Testament co-opted message that sees the Jewish Jesus Christ as being born into swaddling clothes colored red, white and blue. They're stupid but cunning, and have no scruples in misleading the heathens amongst them in order to dominate, convert, or eliminate non-believers.

    Posted by: Tommy C. | Dec 10, 2010 7:21:20 PM


  5. The Southern Poverty Law Center is "a very marginal group"? The SPLC has been attacked by domestic terrorist hate groups before, and they still are.

    Posted by: Natira | Dec 10, 2010 7:37:05 PM


  6. Steve Doocy goes to my gym and I have seen him check out guys in the locker room. He's a total closet case. Creepy old lurker.

    Posted by: Dave | Dec 10, 2010 7:37:34 PM


  7. And they Klan never burned crosses in people's yards, either. BBQ's that got out hand, don't ya know? They were just being neighborly and wanted to welcome blacks into the neighborhood. Right.

    Nice try Tony. Freak.

    Posted by: Craig | Dec 10, 2010 8:48:28 PM


  8. "SPLC is a "very marginal group"???? right!"

    Yes they are.

    But that DOESN'T excuse the hateful and prejudiced antics against gay people done by FRC and others. SPLC has for the most part lost much of its cred by only targeting groups on the right, which means that they themselves ARE biased and in the end only inflict more harm than good to the groups they declare to defend.

    One way the SPLC can regain any form of credibility as to also pay attention to the hate groups on the LEFT. Maybe they can start with some commenters on here who foam at the mouth, bash, and spout hateful, demeaning rhetoric against those they disagree with (mainly non-liberal non-Marxist gays).

    Posted by: pepa | Dec 10, 2010 9:19:49 PM


  9. "One way the SPLC can regain any form of credibility as to also pay attention to the hate groups on the LEFT."

    They do. They list 932 hate groups. Some are "on the left". Not many, but that's not the fault of the SPLC.

    For example, they list Nation of Islam and The New Black Panther Party:

    http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-files/ideology/black-separatist

    Posted by: BobN | Dec 10, 2010 9:34:15 PM


  10. I love how the Fox & Friends host doesn't even try to be impartial. "If you're part of a conservative group, then you're a hate group!" Of course, that's not why the SPLC labeled the FRC a hate group. The host is either ignorant or is lying. Either way, they're hardly "Fair & Balanced".

    PEPA: Apparently, the SPLC hasn't lost any cred, considering how these newly labeled hate groups are foaming at the mouth. They keep saying it's a badge of honor, but based on their incessant need to go on TV to defend themselves, I think they might be lying... which is nothing new for them.

    Posted by: David in Houston | Dec 10, 2010 9:45:35 PM


  11. "Not many..."

    Exactly.

    "but that's not the fault of the SPLC."

    Not exactly. For one, how do I know its not their fault? I don't know if its laziness or what have you, but there is TOO MUCH hate going around from too many groups and left-leaning web sites...(ie calling others "closet cases" "faggots" "brainless" "idiots" "racists" etc etc)

    Secondly you cannot call out on other people's hate, when you yourselves engage in it as well. Again just for starters take a gander at some of the comments posted on here with respect to people who disagree with liberals. We are called every name in the book, even though I support gay rights.

    Posted by: pepa | Dec 10, 2010 9:48:03 PM


  12. "PEPA: Apparently, the SPLC hasn't lost any cred"

    In that case why hasn't the MAJORITY of people agree with them on the fact that FRC and the other "pro-family" groups are in fact hateful.

    The facts are in, and yes FRC is hateful. But whether you like it or not, the SPLC cannot convince a lot of people on this issue nor on many others. What else could it be besides lack of CREDIBILITY?

    A CREDIBLE agency/organization would have no problem convincing the public that these groups are indeed hateful. But unfortunately many people perceive the SPLC as being a left-leaning org with liberal sympathies and bias, therefore negating and jeopardizing its supposed objectivity. And it is a well known fact that the SPLC is left leaning and Fox News will run with it, in essence killing any possibility to actually convince the audience that indeed the FRC IS a hate group.

    Posted by: pepa | Dec 10, 2010 9:58:53 PM


  13. "For one, how do I know its not their fault?"

    Well, go out and identify the left-wing, organized groups you think are promoting hate and see if you find any that the SPLC doesn't list.

    As for your conflation of organized hate groups with anonymous internet posts calling people names, well, it's too silly to address.

    Posted by: BobN | Dec 10, 2010 9:58:57 PM


  14. "As for your conflation of organized hate groups with anonymous internet posts calling people names, well, it's too silly to address."

    It has the same effect though. The reason why FRC is a HATE group (the way that many understood it) was because it facilitated a platform for certain individuals to DEMEAN other people based on who they are.

    This is no different.

    Posted by: pepa | Dec 10, 2010 10:03:05 PM


  15. @pepa

    Us Liberals/Bold Progressives may certainly be pissed off to no end at certain things, but we aren't actively trying to take away other people's rights / dehumanize minority groups etc.

    Disliking someone for their views vs disliking someone simply for who/what they are (gender/sexual orientation/racial/ethnic/religous) are completely different things.

    Posted by: ravewulf | Dec 10, 2010 10:08:40 PM


  16. loosey goosey doocey is the last faggot that should be hitching his easter parade wagon to the falling star that is the extreme right-wing. fox news has its dependable whores. fox and friends is replete with subservient hookers.

    Posted by: nic | Dec 10, 2010 10:12:15 PM


  17. The influence of the SPLC is that groups on their list have a hard time getting insurance and donations from Corporations. Also, they are essentially one step removed from domestic terrorist organizations, in which case donations would be illegal. However, DTOs are listed on the AG level.

    Posted by: anon | Dec 10, 2010 10:22:52 PM


  18. @Pepa. Hate to tell you this, but just look at the tone of your own comments versus everyone else's. The right loves to throw this hate on both sides stuff, but frankly, I've been both a Republican and a Democrat, and an ultra conservative and a ultra-liberal to boot, and I just don't hear the hate speech on the left that I do from the right right now. It's why I left the Republican party in 2003 when Bush made gay marriage a central part of his campaign. The SPLC is a very respected organization, Pepa. FRC is a professional hate group, there's no other way of putting it. That's all they exist for: hate. They make big salaries to be professional haters on TV and radio. I can't think of a single organization on the left or center that does any such thing. My church is very liberal, and you won't hear a word of hate directed at anyone. I truly wish I could say the same for the religious right.

    Posted by: Craig | Dec 10, 2010 10:32:39 PM



  19. @Ravewulf: Thanks for shutting PEPA up.

    Posted by: tooboot | Dec 10, 2010 10:42:42 PM


  20. @ ANON: “The influence of the SPLC is that groups on their list have a hard time getting insurance and donations from Corporations.”

    Ah, now I see why they’re all getting do bent out of shape. They’re not offended that they are being called out as the hate mongers they are, they’re scared their cash flow is going to dry up (and rightfully so!)

    It always comes down to money...

    Posted by: ichabod | Dec 10, 2010 11:04:30 PM


  21. Sorry, meant to type “...now I see why they’re all getting SO bent out of shape.”

    Posted by: ichabod | Dec 10, 2010 11:06:52 PM


  22. Wow...Tony Jerkin, what a terrible closet you are in!!!!!

    Posted by: Theo | Dec 10, 2010 11:30:09 PM


  23. FAIR AND BALANCED!

    Posted by: ostracario | Dec 11, 2010 12:43:19 AM


  24. "Us Liberals/Bold Progressives may certainly be pissed off to no end at certain things, but we aren't actively trying to take away other people's rights / dehumanize minority groups etc."

    The Taking away of rights is another argument altogether, and one that needs to be looked at from all angles, and YES liberals have taken rights away from people, from imposing laws against the consumption of marijuana, the intake of SALT, to keep guns, and to keep the money that YOU make. In fact property (whether monetary or real) is a civil rights issue, all man have a right to life, liberty, property ... and I met to many liberals that HATE IT when people actually use their talents to gain WEALTH and want to take that away from them. This is a violation of their rights because YOU are taking away something they have dully EARNED. You cannot take away someone else's marriage license (a la prop 8) and same goes to their property and wealth. So I don't buy that BS that liberals don't take away rights, they DO ALL THE TIME.

    "Disliking someone for their views vs disliking someone simply for who/what they are (gender/sexual orientation/racial/ethnic/religous) are completely different things."

    We are not talking about "disliking" here, we are talking about HATE. And no, I don't see both perceptions differently because the FRC HATES gay people not just because of who they are but ALSO because of what gay people BELIEVE IN (tolerance and equal treatment etc). I've been subjected to hatred by liberals for being BOTH a non-liberal (libertarian) as in my IDENTITY and for what I BELIEVE IN.

    I mean look no further than the following comment:
    "@Ravewulf: Thanks for shutting PEPA up."

    Liberals are culpable as well for they are in many respects driven by ANIMOSITY.

    Posted by: pepa | Dec 11, 2010 2:32:42 AM


  25. "The influence of the SPLC is that groups on their list have a hard time getting insurance and donations from Corporations."

    We'll have to wait and see. However since the SPLC is viewed as a liberal organization, the designation of FRC as a hate group can do the opposite effect and embolden social conservatives and they will try to double or triple fund-raising efforts. Since, like in this segment of Fox and Friends, the FRC is being painted as a the latest "victim" of character assassination by the left. Trust me, they will play on that, and use it to strengthen (or it least try) their base.

    Posted by: pepa | Dec 11, 2010 2:41:04 AM


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