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Rachel Maddow: DADT Is The President's Victory

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Interviewed on MSNBC this afternoon were former U.S. Air Force Staff Sergeant David Hall, who was ousted from the military under DADT in 2002, and the network's talk show host Rachel Maddow.

Said Maddow: "Politically, the thing to not lose touch with here is that this is the President's victory. This is something about which the President took a lot of criticism, a lot of abuse, a lot of skepticism from his otherwise most loyal supporters. He continually insisted that this was possible that it would get done."

Watch, AFTER THE JUMP.

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  1. A victory for Obama and the Democrats who have been working tirelessly on this. Mountains of work was accomplished behind the scenes just to make it to this point. Also, thank you to NANCY PELOSI for being a fearless leader for LGBTs and getting this passed so quickly to prepare for today's Senate victory. Thank you to the Republicans who crossed over as well! It's too bad that we won't be able to continue accomplishing LGBT legislation when GOP takes over the House in January.

    Posted by: IndyTown | Dec 18, 2010 7:13:45 PM


  2. This is hardly Obama's victory. This was passed in spite of Obama.

    Posted by: eric | Dec 18, 2010 7:13:51 PM


  3. @ERIC: If the President hadn't been a strong supporter of this and hadn't worked in a feverish manner to make sure the Senate would take this up before the end of the year, we would NOT see this victory today. Period.

    Posted by: IndyTown | Dec 18, 2010 7:21:54 PM


  4. LOL. WOW!

    These were the same liberal hacks that said that Obama doesn't make the law and could only depend on Congress to repeal it... Hence why they protected and defended Obama's absence on this policy change...

    And NOW, they are saying "this is his VICTORY?"

    Bunch of HYPOCRITES. This is why I always say that these egomaniacs never have the interests of gay people or gay soldiers close to heart. They will relentlessly peddle this as a "VICTORY" for oppressive socialism.

    If you really think this through, this policy change benefits the military more than it would the gay community in the short term.

    Posted by: pepa | Dec 18, 2010 7:28:34 PM


  5. Luv Rachel but she's fallen off her rocker on this. So soon she forgets her own months of pointing out THIS COULD HAVE BEEN DONE LAST YEAR....HUNDREDS OF DISCHARGES AGO!

    Posted by: Michael@LeonardMatlovich.com | Dec 18, 2010 7:37:34 PM


  6. Victory has a thousand fathers, but defeat is an orphan.

    Posted by: cgd | Dec 18, 2010 7:40:15 PM


  7. IF the repeal had not passed all we would have heard was that this was a defeat and how Obama let the Gay community down by not fighting hard enough. For some he will never do enough.

    Posted by: dpbfeb | Dec 18, 2010 7:43:44 PM


  8. You people are demented. Obama and the Democrats got through 2 of the 4 pillars of "the gay agenda" (hate crimes, DADT) in the most hyper-partisan, GOP-obstructing, awful times. It was delayed, it was messy, but it was DONE.

    Make no mistake, these are progressive causes and progressive victories, helped out be a few RELATIVELY liberal Republicans. Then again, faithful log cabin types, maybe I'll be proven wrong when the Boehner House brings ENDA up for a vote. Right?

    HAHAHAHAHAHA

    Posted by: Scott | Dec 18, 2010 7:44:58 PM


  9. "If the President hadn't been a strong supporter of this and hadn't worked in a feverish manner to make sure the Senate would take this up before the end of the year, we would NOT see this victory today. Period."

    If the President HAD been a strong supporter of this and HAD he worked in a feverish manner with the Senate, this would have been done
    MONTHS ago. Period.

    Posted by: pepa | Dec 18, 2010 7:46:21 PM


  10. Amen, Eric. Obama did everything in his power to undercut this process while letting everyone else get their hands dirty and now he wants to claim this as a victory? His appeals were vile, he refused the stop loss, and at the last minute as we need the votes appoints Amos, a vocal and outspoken advocate of DADT as chief of the Marine Corps, and he wants to say this is "his victory"?!?

    Talk about delusional!

    Posted by: DR | Dec 18, 2010 7:47:26 PM


  11. If this was truly Obama's doing, he would have gotten a Democrat to introduce the stand alone bill.

    But no, it was Lieberman and Collin's stand alone bill that went through.

    There was a hell of a lot more that Obama could have done if he wanted to claim this as his victory.

    Truth is, it isn't.

    Posted by: eric | Dec 18, 2010 7:47:48 PM


  12. "You people are demented. Obama and the Democrats got through 2 of the 4 pillars of "the gay agenda" (hate crimes, DADT) in the most hyper-partisan, GOP-obstructing, awful times. It was delayed, it was messy, but it was DONE."

    And, in addition, in 2009 he and the Democrats worked to get the HIV immigration and travel ban lifted. Do you really think this day/vote would have happened with McCain/Palin?? They are demented.

    Posted by: AK_NYC | Dec 18, 2010 7:50:18 PM


  13. The President will never do enough to please some of you. Can you just give him and the Congress a little bit of credit? If he did not support this; trust me, it would not have happended. Do not believe that Lieberman or Collin's have that much political capital. The President had to call in some favors along with Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi. He does deserve some of the credit. As we know, he would have been given all of the blame if it did not pass.

    Posted by: BH3000 | Dec 18, 2010 7:57:34 PM


  14. You racist Obama haters will never give Obama credit for anything! You spent the last two years complaining that Obama was not doing enough to advance Gay Rights. Now that Obama is about to sign the repeal of DADT into law, you still refuse to give him credit.

    Prior to the mid-term elections, Obama promised to repeal DADT during the lame duck session of Congress. Guess what? Obama was right.

    You guys are a bunch of evil, nasty, racist haters. Grow up and show some appreciation. If it had not been for your beloved Bill Clinton, there wouldn't have been a DADT to repeal in the first place.

    I'm sick of the Obama haters on this site. Get on your knees and swallow your pride.

    Posted by: OnyxEsq | Dec 18, 2010 7:57:55 PM


  15. Obama kept saying it would be taken care of but he kept sending mixed signals. He speaks well, but he is not a true communicator. Any animosity from his base is his own doing. He seems to think we should automatically trust him without proof.

    I'm wondering if the cave-in on the tax bill had anything to do with this. As this last election showed, we were a powerful influence.

    Posted by: woodroad34d | Dec 18, 2010 8:00:03 PM


  16. It happened. Sorry it didn't happen soon enough for you. Maybe we all should have voted for McCain. Remember, the one who while campaigning didn't know what LGBT stood for?

    Though I will hardly be surprised if some GOP nutjob in the next Congress puts forth a symbolic, pointless, hateful bill to block gays and lesbians from serving in the military.

    Posted by: Paul R | Dec 18, 2010 8:01:44 PM


  17. The reason DADT got repealed is because Obama spent time getting the top military leaders on board. The study was his idea and repeal could not have been acheived without it. Did you see all the Senators who used it as their reason to vote for repeal. I'm sorry to see some of you Obama haters who let your bias cloud your judgment while ignoring the facts.

    Posted by: J.P. | Dec 18, 2010 8:02:45 PM


  18. "And, in addition, in 2009 he and the Democrats worked to get the HIV immigration and travel ban lifted."

    Most of us are actually responsible people and hence DO NOT have HIV.

    So why is this an issue anyway?
    -------------------------------------------
    "You people are demented. Obama and the Democrats got through 2 of the 4 pillars of "the gay agenda" (hate crimes, DADT)"

    How is the hate crimes law a "pillar" of the gay agenda? In the majority of the cases victims were unable to prove a hate crime or a bias motivated crime happened. Most gay bashers get a slap on the wrist, a few months in jail etc. So no I'm not buying it.

    Still under a DEMOCRATIC congress we were unable to repeal DOMA and pass UAFA. But then again you liberals just turn the other cheek and say "oh well, you win some you lose some." Surely you say this because we have a liberal President and Congress still.

    Posted by: pepa | Dec 18, 2010 8:03:22 PM


  19. "The President will never do enough to please some of you."

    And being opposed to gay marriage and having the same stance as Rush Limbaugh should please us... how?

    Posted by: pepa | Dec 18, 2010 8:05:02 PM


  20. Some of you people on here are full of sh*t. Had it not been for this President, this bill would not have been brought up period. Were some of you asleep the last 17 years while DADT was active?? Did some of you forget that it was a Democratic President that signed DADT into place the first place?? The fact is this President has exposed some of you on the left as being just as knee jerk and ridiculous as those on the far right. Just admit that you were wrong and he was right, eat your crow and move on to complaining about the next thing.

    And by the way, because this President is the most obstructed against President in history, they had to bring the bill up with an indepdendent and Republican to get the last few Republicans to go along. Some of you are way out of your league when it comes to politics. Disagree with this Presidents policies but to suggest that what this man has been able to do through a very broken system in such a short amount of time is not impressive is BS. Especially in a country that has been on cruise control for 30 years.

    Rachel was mature enough to admit she was wrong, hopefully she'll be mature enough in the future to allow this President to try to get things done his way and not dictate to him how to get it done. That was what the argument was about, some of you wanted this overturned how you wanted it overturned...this made no promises about how he would over turn DADT, he just said he would over turn it. Sitting on the internet backseat driving is not exactly contributing to the cause. So please give it a rest already. Also, Rachel did get one thing wrong, the people on the left who were bashing this President are not his strong supporters, they are fair weathered people who basically are too weak minded to see the bigger picture.

    Posted by: Jay | Dec 18, 2010 8:07:03 PM


  21. "You racist Obama haters will..."

    --And the conversation ends here.

    Are you liberals that racist and hateful that you MUST pull the race card out?

    Posted by: pepa | Dec 18, 2010 8:07:21 PM


  22. bitter tears, so many of them. Obama wanted repeal through the legislature, and got it. Victory for Obama- 1 Obstructionist and haters - 0.

    This is the real deal. Not some silly executive order bs. Even better than a regional court ruling, too. took a long time, but change does happen.

    As far as Lieberman- when everyone was calling for his balls after the elections in 08, Obama saved him.

    Posted by: rackt | Dec 18, 2010 8:07:30 PM


  23. "Not some silly executive order bs."

    Your right, that would have taken some BALLS.

    Posted by: pepa | Dec 18, 2010 8:11:22 PM


  24. Don't feed the trolls, everyone. This is a victory for Obama and the Democrats. Don't lose sight of that. We pushed this through and we got this done. We suffered many setbacks and had to make deals with the devil, but we got this law repealed through Congress the way Obama said he wanted it done.

    Posted by: sugarrhill | Dec 18, 2010 8:28:24 PM


  25. "Your right, that would have taken some BALLS."

    Because we love fighting the same old fights. It's so fun.

    Posted by: rackt | Dec 18, 2010 8:31:16 PM


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