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Watch: Rambling Video Made By Jared Lee Loughner

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The video consists of ramblings about currency, torture and mind control. Weird and creepy.

Watch, AFTER THE JUMP.

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  1. Sounds like he listens to Glen Beck.

    Posted by: Chrissypoo | Jan 15, 2011 5:05:07 PM


  2. its a shame he survived his take down. hopefully hes in solitary for life, i hear inmates consider solitary worse than execution.

    Posted by: mld | Jan 15, 2011 5:30:09 PM


  3. "Watch: Rambling Video Made By Jared Lee Lougner"

    Ummm, No thanks.

    Posted by: pete N sfo | Jan 15, 2011 7:03:04 PM


  4. PLEASE TAKE THIS LINK DOWN!

    The more press he gets, the more he "get's his message out." He's a sick F*ck. We already know that. Loughner isn't worth taking up precious space on your site.

    Stay with what you guys do best...promoting positive GLBT stories and making us aware of important issues, causes, needs, and worthy news stories.

    Posted by: KC | Jan 15, 2011 7:13:13 PM


  5. weird. schbozzy that must be one of his new words. well its ok to say weird things on a video and its ok to be in a bad place and upset about it. but he killed people and thats the problem hard to tell why he thought that was his answer. obviously some anger he seemed to be pissed at a professor for giving him a B.

    Posted by: mike | Jan 15, 2011 7:23:11 PM


  6. KC: I don't think he really has a message.

    Posted by: mike | Jan 15, 2011 7:24:50 PM


  7. Simmer down now, KC and get off your high-horse. Now you're telling Towleroad what they can and can not put up on their site?!

    Keeping the dialogue open about people with mental disorders and highlighting their behaviors so people not familiar with what to look for in an unbalanced individual IS an important issue. Well, apparently not to you.

    Posted by: Todd | Jan 15, 2011 7:30:18 PM


  8. Hey sell this guy a Glock and a couple 30 ammo clips. Everyone needs those to go deer hunting.

    Posted by: Bart | Jan 15, 2011 7:40:33 PM


  9. He says "I lost my freedom of speech to that guy", referring to the instructor who exits the bldg. as Lougner walks by. I'm pretty sure it's the same instructor I heard interviewed, who said Lougner interrupted classes continually and when asked to keep quiet, complained that his freedom of speech was being taken away. How many other unstable people are being slowly driven to insane violence by a constant news feed of lies, hate and misinformation? Granted, this young man was unstable to begin w/, but you cannot say entities like Faux News and the moronic rhetoric of (some) Tea Baggers don't share some of the responsibility.

    Posted by: nick vaginitis | Jan 15, 2011 7:43:44 PM


  10. He's suffering from an organic brain disorder called paranoid schizophrenia, aggravated by serious substance abuse. Simple as that. He should have received professional mental heathcare. He should have been forced, if necessary. Laws and attitudes regarding mental health, dating mostly from the 'Reform' era of the 60's and 70's, make this very difficult to do.

    Posted by: ratbastard | Jan 15, 2011 8:48:45 PM


  11. RATBASTARD is right on this one...though it is possible Loughner's paranoid thoughts were the result of substance abuse or psychosis due to bi-polar disorder, he is very likely a paranoid schizophrenic. He certainly presents that way. And only medication/psychotherapy can help that. Though clearly he should also be incarcerated to protect the public. At least for now.

    Posted by: peterparker | Jan 15, 2011 9:58:27 PM


  12. KC has it right. Anyone who doubts this should check out Charlie Brooker's Newswipe from March 25 2009, it's on Youtube.

    Posted by: Jesus | Jan 15, 2011 10:43:54 PM


  13. @Jesus,

    Naw. KC doesn't have it right. KC (and U?) are political shills or tools.

    Jared Loughner is severely mentally ill. Being a 'Progressive' I'm shocked at your mean spiritness and lack of compassion.

    Posted by: ratbastard | Jan 15, 2011 11:45:33 PM


  14. Just think of all the toob hits to be had from spraying a few people with bullets! John Waters was right. What becomes a legend most? Handcuffs and a life sentence in an institution for the criminally insane.

    As Americans, we spend our lives trying to escape the world in which live for the one we worship on the other side of the glowing screen. If only more people realized how easy it is to cross the great divide. All it takes is a gun and the will to use it as publicly and messily as possible.

    Posted by: Bryan | Jan 16, 2011 1:55:28 AM


  15. That nut-case is getting too much air time.
    Some other freak is going to follow him.

    Posted by: GaryJ | Jan 16, 2011 2:27:36 AM


  16. I agree with some of the other posters on here about his mental condition. As a Nurse Practitioner who has worked with thousands of patients like this over the past decade and as a Professor who has taught mental health, clearly he is a paranoid schizophrenic. I find it hard to believe his parents weren't saware of his need for help. They have claimed they were unaware of his political beliefs and were shocked by his actions. But surely, they had to have known their son was ill. If he received help, perhaps this horrible atrocity could've been avoided. I am glad I watched this video. I still think he is a monster. But this does give more rationale for why he did the horrendous thing he did.

    Posted by: Dr. Christopher Blackwell | Jan 16, 2011 2:30:43 AM


  17. There is a documentary called Hate.com that talks about how the modern access to media often emboldens, empowers, and mobilizes the warped or those with extreme views about society (i.e. racists, homophobes, militant types, etc). Where once this kind of crazy was a lone wolf, now he gets on the internet and can connect with hundreds just like him all over the world and feed off that collective outrage. This kid was probably on the internet being fed a constant diet of paranoia and vitriol that only fueled his rage and paranoid tendencies. Although he is obviously mentally ill, you can't create the perfect environment for these kind of violent attacks to happen and then throw up your hands and say it wasn't your fault when they do. Politicians and media people have the right to free speech, but with rights come responsibilities. That is the part so many of them choose to forget.

    Posted by: Mark | Jan 16, 2011 4:27:41 AM


  18. @Dr. Blackwell: I agree, but I'm sure his parents were quite aware of his need for help yet hoping he'd magically get better. Though if there's any family history of schizophrenia, they have much less excuse. (Unless he was adopted; I've no idea.)

    @Mark: you're correct, but long before the proliferation of hate media (online and otherwise), paranoid schizophrenics--who aren't exactly noted for their social interactions--shared many nearly identical views on persecution by UFOs, mind control, lost/stolen rights, enemies posing as friends, etc. Obviously much of that is just standard paranoia, but it remains baffling that the similarities track so clearly for so long, given that untreated paranoid schizophrenics live in an impenetrable state most of the time. And. those issues are so often so identical across socioeconomic classes, countries, cultures, etc.

    But I guess I'm overthinking it; I suppose it's basically always aimed at people or institutions that the ill fear could control them and/or they have no control over. Coupled with the delusions of schizophrenia...sad and bad (though usually to the person alone, not to others).

    So, as for the Tea Party and Fox, as much as a I loathe their ilk, I doubt they could penetrate and lodge a fixed place in his mind. Apparently he was a libertarian on some issues (which is usually either a bit or really nuts), but on others his views didn't hew to one party or the other. He's all over the map, because he's mentally deranged.

    Anyone know what drugs he was doing? I thought the drug thing was several years in the past.

    Posted by: Paul R | Jan 16, 2011 9:13:44 AM


  19. Here's an interesting short youtube video showing the POV of a paranoid schizophrenic

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpGY6o98QnA

    He used:

    weed
    salvia
    cocaine

    Posted by: ratbastard | Jan 16, 2011 10:32:22 AM


  20. Here's an interesting article from the Arizona Republic newspaper. It has info I didn't see anywhere else:

    http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2011/01/16/20110116gabrielle-giffords-jared-loughner-profile.html

    'At the end of Loughner's junior year, in May 2006, the school nurse had him taken to the emergency room. "Extremely intoxicated," the sheriff's report would later say. It was 9 in the morning.

    Loughner told a deputy that he stole a bottle of vodka from his parents because his father had yelled at him.

    Loughner was changing. Drugs and alcohol blurred some days, but what friends remember most are the things he thought. Theories, ideas, strange questions.

    In Loughner's latter two years of high school, friend George Osler saw him drinking and smoking marijuana more and more.

    He would go off on these tangents and then he would stop talking altogether," Osler said. "He struck me as odd. It was an uncomfortable feeling."

    Posted by: ratbastard | Jan 16, 2011 10:37:40 AM


  21. Seems pretty sane to me!

    Posted by: Nanny McBone | Jan 16, 2011 11:42:12 AM


  22. Enough already with this child killer.

    Posted by: jaragon | Jan 16, 2011 11:43:10 AM


  23. Its interesting to see "normal" people respond to tragedy. I often spend more time with the comments than what towleroad has posted because I like the views expressed. But I am dismayed with how much anger a number of you have expressed as if you were somehow harboring a personality we had not seen before. Is that mental illness? There are a lot of 'probablys' in these posts as well. But that doesn't seem to be stopping anyone from assuming facts not in evidence. A lot of "I am a professional...I have seen this before...I am the only one who knows wtf he's talking about" blah blah blah. As long as I have been a follower of towleroad, this has always been the case, yet you don't see it amongst yourselves and do not hesitate to limit your comments to what you do know in fact. Again I ask, is this mental illness as well? Thank you towleroad for all you do, for your continued guidance to material that the mainstream media overlooks, censors or just plain refuse to address. I share a majority of the material I have read here with my friends and family often with the response "omg, where did you get this stuff?" And to the other readers, thank you for your comments, insights and herlarious fodder for my stand up. :-)

    Posted by: Justice | Jan 16, 2011 12:56:24 PM


  24. Okay, let's say it's all the fault of progressives who sought to de-stigmatize mental health issues. Let's say anyone perceived as possibly dangerous should be detained (and longer than the 72 hours currently applicable in my state as well as others). Because if someone MIGHT kill, we should have the right to lock them up, right? Should this be along the lines of a citizen's arrest, or should someone with some sort of training be involved? What is the standard, the threshold, that should be met? Currently, imminent threat is the standard in most places. Should that become looser - should we be able to lock up people for acting differently, or in a way that makes us uncomfortable? Were gonna need a LOT of facilities. And we're gonna have to do a LOT of involuntary commitments, because if one fears one will be locked up for acting weird or having mental health issues, it doesn't make seeking help very attractive.

    From personal experience: I perceived a threat, as a clinician, from a paranoid schizophrenic with a violent history, who was unmedicated and recently delusional and homicidal. This was a person who knew he was troubled and had been on medication in the past but became non-compliant because of side effects. When finally found, this person denied intent, so nothing could be done. But here's the kicker: Had this person presented to the county mental health facility and asked to be voluntarily committed (as had happened in the past), he would have been turned away. Because of inadequate funding and high demand, the county hospital could only accept involuntary commitments. He would have to wait until he was dangerous, delusional, and unwilling to accept treatment before he got any.

    So, if we are going to blame progressives for de-stigmatizing mental health, who do we blame for de-prioritizing mental health? Who do we blame for cutting back services? Who do we blame for the attitude that says, "Get off your lazy butt and work for your health care, no government hand-outs for you!"(because people who are unstable surely are capable of holding down jobs, right?)? Progressives?

    Posted by: TJ | Jan 16, 2011 12:59:28 PM


  25. Jared Loughner's Mind Control Cult Video.
    Loughner embedded this on a post he made here:


    http://www.earthempires.com/jared-loughner-arizona-shooter-posts#thread_4


    The vid is here:


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mnNSe5XYp6E&feature=player_embedded#!


    It's fascinating to read his posts and watch the video. He talks about how it's ok to to rape if you're horny and lonely, retarded people are useless and should be killed, mind control and children, beating and abusing them, ETC., VERY nihilistic. He had VERY violent thoughts and ideas.

    Posted by: ratbastard | Jan 16, 2011 1:34:46 PM


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