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Dramatic Rise In Crimes Against Gays In Scotland

 ScotlandThe Scotsman reports:

"In Strathclyde, reported incidents have risen from 50 in 2004-5 to 286 last year, while in the Lothian and Borders area there was a rise from 45 to 167 over the same period."

"Rights organisation Stonewall Scotland revealed that two thirds of lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender (LGBT) people had been verbally abused in the past year, while a third had been physically attacked. The overall number of incidents is likely to be much higher as Stonewall said 61 per cent of victims did not report the crime to police."

"The freedom of information statistics show that homosexuals have been abused or assaulted in their own homes, while eating in a restaurant, on public transport and while on a night out. In one case, in the Central Scotland area, a lesbian and gay centre was set alight. After a Stonewall Scotland campaign, police have been required to separately report incidents since March 2010."

Last year, Scotland introduced a new hate crime law that serves to protect gays and lesbians as well as the disabled.

 

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  1. There was a time not long ago, when I thought with all the new technology etc the world would come together and live in peace with one another.
    I was wrong.
    For some time now around the world concervative values and standards have risen. At the same time societies are full of problems and people turn against minorities. In politics old fashioned right wing parties win election after election.
    I don't like what our world has come and I am proud not be a part of the people who think the recent development has been good.

    Posted by: Matt26 | Feb 6, 2011 2:56:26 PM


  2. this is disgusting.

    Posted by: mld | Feb 6, 2011 3:03:23 PM


  3. @ MATT26 ; It's not altogether bad......with the developments in technology we are at least aware of the bigotry and discrimination and bullying that is going on. It's much better to have it all out in the light where we can see and name it for what it is.
    It also makes people accountable for their homophobic attitudes.

    Let us hear about the bullying in schools, the discrimination in the work place. the bigoted actions of some police, the medieval regimes that think there are no gays among them.......and let us see the faces of Phelps, the conniving evangelists, the Rutgers, the meth toking faux-hetros in their hot tubs.......
    It's best that we see, and the world sees what passes for the high moral ground, and it's best that we all can gag on the stench of it.

    Posted by: JackFknTwist | Feb 6, 2011 3:26:08 PM


  4. What I don't quite understand is how hate crimes in this country went down against the LGBT community in 2010, even with more reporting, and also became more isolated in where they happened (+/- 2/3s in the south) yet hate crimes in pretty much all other countries one wouldn't think are anti-gay (UK, Scotland, Ireland, Canada, Netherlands etc.) have gone up. Is that because these countries are more complacent? Or that the extra openness has created a rise in hate in these countries? I think this is horrible and tragic news, and things need to be done to make sure LGBT persons are safe, but that isn't the case now.

    Posted by: Francis | Feb 6, 2011 3:52:27 PM


  5. @Francis,

    I see you've swallowed the Brit/Euro kool-aid that claims they're so superior and more tolerant than Americans. That's never been true.

    Why isn't there more statistics on these assaults, i.e. who, where, is there a pattern, etc., My educated guess is many of these assaults involve 'Minorities'. The Brits, Euros, Canadians, Australians, Americans have been letting in large numbers of 3rd world immigrants for a long time now, the U.S. for an even longer period of time and larger number of 'Immigrants'. The results of this social experiment with 'Multiculturalism' has been disastrous socially, politically and economically. Here's the gay angle: MOST of our [gay] fellow 'Minorities' are even more anti-gay and homophobic than the majority, traditional populations of North America, UK, Europe, Australia.

    EVERYBODY, except some of the tools and shills who post on here and elsewhere online, know this is true.

    Posted by: ratbastard | Feb 6, 2011 4:04:38 PM


  6. And contrary to chronic [mostly leftist inspired] anti-American propaganda, the U.S. has always done a superior job in integrating it's immigrants compared to Canada, UK, and Europe.

    And there's a reason so many non-American gays from Eastern Europe, South America, Africa, Asia would cut off their right testicle to get legal entrance to the U.S. A destination preferred even to Europe, the UK or Canada.

    Posted by: ratbastard | Feb 6, 2011 4:11:10 PM


  7. @Ratbastard: Do you mean LGBT should be accepted as minority group, but ethincal minorities shouldn't? If so, I disagree.

    I can honestly tell my opinion is multiculturalism is a wonderful thing and I strongly support it.

    I don't like your name calling at all. I've heard words like weirdo, queer etc too many times.

    And naturally when you write "true" it means your opinion which is differ from mine. Right?

    Posted by: Matt26 | Feb 6, 2011 4:11:23 PM


  8. ah the mystical minority conservative anti-gay 3rd worlder. of course, it makes sense, loads of these strange but violent non-westerners have been beating gays and increasing hate crimes. its such a great explanation, if it had a grain of truth to it. the multiculturalism has failed rhetoric refers to non-western cultures integrating into western cultures. most of the 3rd world and poor nations whos immigrants move about the uk are from other western countries, nearly all of which are in europe, eastern europe.

    blame mystical immigrant minorities - its so easy to do, it doesnt matter if its true!

    Posted by: mld | Feb 6, 2011 4:21:31 PM


  9. LOL @ Ratbastard. Nice try, to pawn off disgusting Western homophobia on foreigners. Xenophobia is not a good color on you, honey.

    Pray tell, which immigrant ethnic groups do Maggie Gallagher, Fred Phelps, and the entire Christofascist ultra-right hail from?

    Even if you did have data showing that homophobia is X% more common among immigrants than native-born Americans, it is not immigrants who are getting on TV and going on political stump speeches to turn anti-LGBT sentiment into divisive political issues & secure political victories for homophobes. And I doubt you even have said data to begin with. If you do, please share.

    Posted by: redball | Feb 6, 2011 4:23:52 PM


  10. It's delusional to think that the U.S. is the only First World country with significant homophobia problems. It's a very real thing here in Canada, and I imagine it's the same on the other side of the pond too.

    As for the whole immigrant population issue that people are bringing into the discussion, where I live currently is mostly white people and there is no shortage of hate here. I know it's easy to point to people with a different skin colour from you and say "They're the problem, not us!" but the reality is that they're really not all that different.

    Posted by: Pira | Feb 6, 2011 4:28:28 PM


  11. I wonder when I ever said or gave off the impression that Europeans are more accepting and tolerant of "difference" than Americans? Oh wait, I didn't. Try not putting words in my mouth next time, Ratbastard.

    Posted by: Francis | Feb 6, 2011 4:34:03 PM


  12. @Ratbastard: Your comments about higher anti-gay crime among ethnic immigrants is accurate in regards to Europe (majority Muslim and other Asian) and inaccurate in regards to the U.S. (majority Mexican). A gay writer pointed out how Europe sweeps this under the rug ("While Europe Slept"). In Mexico, Argentina, etc. there's nothing to sweep under the rug. They are at least as pro-equality as most of the U.S. Several Mexican states have marriage EQUALITY, as does the entire Argentine Republic, and Latin American public opinion corresponds.

    Posted by: Phil | Feb 6, 2011 4:41:25 PM


  13. Jesus, can't we get over the delusion that homophobia is ethnic based ?

    The evangelicals are busy stirring up Uganda, the Pope has called us "defective",
    the televangelists and preachers tell us we're all going to hell, the States want to keep marriage for straights only, some of the military want us to shower separately from straights, .......and these posts are fiddling on what ethnic group to blame while Rome burns.
    What the F@%$* has this got to do with my ethnic background ?

    Posted by: JackFknTwist | Feb 6, 2011 4:48:49 PM


  14. @Ratbastard again: One more item. Please review the pro-LGBT and anti-LGBT votes in the United Nations. There are still countries in Central and Eastern Europe which vote "absent" or even anti-LGBT. However, Latin American countries have an almost 100% record of voting pro-LGBT. Muslim and African countries (except South Africa) vote overwhelmingly anti-LGBT. Go ahead, look it up.

    Posted by: Phil | Feb 6, 2011 4:49:59 PM


  15. @phil,

    I've never thought there was a big violent homophobia problem among immigrants from Latin America. From the Caribbean? Yes. From Eastern Europeans? Yes. From Africans? Yes.

    And yes, the UK and Europe have greater problems with their immigrants than the U.S., partially because they've never integrated them as well as America.

    Posted by: ratbastard | Feb 6, 2011 4:51:32 PM


  16. Eh, Europe, USA, Latin America....
    homophobia.....which is the least homophobic ?
    is this a competition ?

    Posted by: JackFknTwist | Feb 6, 2011 4:55:57 PM


  17. @Jackfkntwist: I agree that your ethnic background is irrelevant. However, the different ideologies/religions that dominate different parts of the world produce very different results for LGBT people, and that is not irrelevant. I tried to examine this in my two posts above because I hope it produces some insight. We ignore this to our peril.

    Posted by: Phil | Feb 6, 2011 4:56:31 PM


  18. Although Latin America does in general have a huge violent crime problem, extreme social and economic stagnation, and a major issue regarding race and racism, which Latin Americans and Brazilians do cover up or deny.

    Posted by: ratbastard | Feb 6, 2011 4:58:04 PM


  19. @rb: who are you, bill oreilly? if you dont like the statistics, change the argument?

    before you spout a single additional 'opinion' without citation and claim it as fact, please do us a favor and actually read the survey on which this article is based

    http://www.stonewallscotland.org.uk/documents/stonewall_scotland_community_safety_survey_final.pdf

    but i guess facts dont incite arguments and wouldnt be effective for trolling.

    Posted by: mld | Feb 6, 2011 5:07:22 PM


  20. RATBASTARD,

    I seem to recall a whole heck of a lot of violent anti-gay violence by the natives of Poland, Russia, Serbia, and Latvia.

    Are there violent anti-gay immigrants in Europe? Of course. Just as there are anti-gay indigenous Europeans.

    I seem to recall some very violent anti-gay action taken by police officers in Texas. I also recall reading about a gay man shot and killed by a police officer in Pennsylvania while he was cruising in the woods. There was also the California police chief who stated how much gay men revolted him.

    Homophobia does not have a color.

    Posted by: Mark | Feb 6, 2011 5:14:58 PM


  21. @Jckfkntwst again: Like you, I hope that no one is trying to score points for their "favorite" region or culture. There are poisonous belief systems that demonize LGBT people: fundamentalist Christianity (not much of a problem in Scotland, but a big problem in the U.S.); fundamentalist Islam (a bigger problem in the Middle East and Europe than in the U.S.); the toxic residue of totalitarian ideologies in Eastern Europe; the toxic residue of British Victorianism in Africa.

    These belief systems are part of our world and they kill. It isn't ridiculous to understand their poisonous danger.

    Posted by: Phil | Feb 6, 2011 5:29:09 PM


  22. @MARK said,

    I seem to recall a whole heck of a lot of violent anti-gay violence by the natives of Poland, Russia, Serbia, and Latvia.

    Are there violent anti-gay immigrants in Europe? Of course. Just as there are anti-gay indigenous Europeans.

    =============================

    @RATBASTARD said,

    I've never thought there was a big violent homophobia problem among immigrants from Latin America. From the Caribbean? Yes. FROM EASTERN EUROPEANS? YES.

    ==============================

    @MARK said,

    seem to recall some very violent anti-gay action taken by police officers in Texas. I also recall reading about a gay man shot and killed by a police officer in Pennsylvania while he was cruising in the woods. There was also the California police chief who stated how much gay men revolted him.

    Homophobia does not have a color.

    ===============================

    Mark, WHERE did I say ONLY a certain group are homophobic or commit violent crimes? Where? Never did. I have said STATISTICALLY many violent crimes are DISPROPORTIONATELY attributable to a small demographic, and homophobia and anti-gay violence is worse and more wide-spead and culturally acceptable among some demographics/ethnicities compared to others.

    Typical propaganda...mix truth with lies or exaggerations, and rely heavily on sentiment.


    Posted by: ratbastard | Feb 6, 2011 5:34:40 PM


  23. @MLD said,

    @rb: who are you, bill oreilly? if you dont like the statistics, change the argument?

    ====================

    WTF does a TV entertainer/talk show host have o do with this? Do you always name-drop O'Reilly or whomever to shift the direction of the conversation? Did you learn this somewhere or from somebody?

    Solid police,judicial and other government statistics do actually back up what I've said.

    Posted by: ratbastard | Feb 6, 2011 5:38:37 PM


  24. @phil said,

    ...fundamentalist Christianity (not much of a problem in Scotland, but a big problem in the U.S.)...

    ======================

    Phil, fundamentalist Christians are a 'Problem' in a certain section of the U.S., the Protestant 'Bible Belt'. You are aware this section of the country was settled overwhelmingly by Scottish [Scotch-Irish, i.e. Protestant Northern Irish] immigrants who are still the dominant ethnicity today?

    Posted by: ratbastard | Feb 6, 2011 5:44:43 PM


  25. @rb: oreilly uses the same argument tactics. youre an up and down straw man. what do immigration and multicultural statistics (neither or which you have demonstrated or cited, not that is matters) have at all to do with this article?

    how highly do you regard yourself that you think this forum needs to be blessed with your off topic and trollworthy comments?

    lets break it down: show your solid police, court, and government statistics that prove or otherwise give beyond a reasonable doubt a correlation between the rise in anti-gay crimes in scotland in direct relation to immigration and failed multiculturalism in the united kingdom, more specifically scotland.

    you have failed to realize that having a healthy skepticism, which you beg everyone in the forums to do, also applies to any opinion or baseless rant of yours.

    its awfully easy to be misanthropic cynic, but its down right lazy to not have at least supporting evidence. your qualified to chew the fat with pensioners at a bingo parlor, but we are on the internet, bring facts along with the gift of your presence or pack up.

    Posted by: mld | Feb 6, 2011 6:28:57 PM


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