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How one gay dude in a wrestling singlet overcame his bias and learned to love Barbra.


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  1. Thought-provoking.

    Posted by: Jack | Apr 1, 2011 2:48:44 PM

  2. Very very smart video.

    I experience this more and more with 20something gays - which is fine except that being closed minded makes you miss somethings great - and one of the great things about gay culture is being OPEN to things that "uncool"!


    Posted by: reality 101 | Apr 1, 2011 2:49:54 PM

  3. Cute. Very cute.

    Posted by: Rocco | Apr 1, 2011 2:51:47 PM

  4. thats awesome. Way back in the day my mom and I had a "Barbara Week" ...Funny Girl, Yentl, A Star Is Born, On A Clear Day... it was great!

    Posted by: jim | Apr 1, 2011 2:56:29 PM

  5. HaHa OMG that is SO GAY!

    Posted by: Sargon Bighorn | Apr 1, 2011 2:58:42 PM

  6. That was great..thanks for the laugh.

    Oh, and digging the background.

    Posted by: Jeff in Brooklyn | Apr 1, 2011 3:11:58 PM

  7. Youing guys can be stupid. I never was. The icons are icons for a reason. Dude, watch "What's Up, Doc?" She is gorgeous and hysterical.

    Posted by: Rob V | Apr 1, 2011 3:24:59 PM

  8. That put a smile on my face.

    Posted by: Maverick69 | Apr 1, 2011 3:32:43 PM

  9. I have never, ever understood the gay male obsession with some straight female entertainers and their "iconization" of them. Where does it come from? What are those of you who do the iconizing relating to that you seem incapable of relating to in another gay man, much less a straight man, or even a lesbian. I don't get it--not because I want to appear "butch" by saying I don't get it, but simply because I really and truly don't. Can someone explain it to me? And while you are at it, explain to me why so many of you also express such hostility towards me or any other gay man that actually does like football or other sports, again, not because we want to appear "butch" but simply because we like them, presumably for the same reasons straight men (and many women) like them. I dare anybody to give an honest answer.....

    Posted by: Rick | Apr 1, 2011 3:43:00 PM

  10. Who's expressing hostility, Rick? I like punk rock. I like rugby and baseball. I also enjoy Barbra Streisand. Why? Why not? I think her voice is superb, the message of the film YENTL is profoundly emotional, and she's spent decades, DECADES, being a champion of the LGBT Community, especially in a time when it was unpopular to do so.

    "What are those of you who do the iconizing relating to that you seem incapable of relating to in another gay man, much less a straight man, or even a lesbian."

    -You're projecting. None of us are incapable of relating to another, we're showing that we're also capable of relating to this.

    I'm not sure what answer you're looking for, Rick. You don't understand why some of us relate to a person's art. Ok. I can't understand why someone like you can't like football AND Barbra Streisand. I don't see why it has to be one or the other.

    I'm not sure what it is about certain female icons that you're not understanding. Are you unaware of their long histories of championing the LGBT Community? Are you simply not one that enjoys certain kinds of art or performance?

    I have no issue with guys who like football or sports or anything. I just think it's odd when a guy goes out of his way to let everyone know that he's "not into stereotypical gay diva icons"

    Seems indicative of insecurity, to me....

    Posted by: Little Kiwi | Apr 1, 2011 3:53:40 PM

  11. Very nice and cute. And so gay. I did that, too (with Barbra and Patti LuPone) and still do. The first time I know I am not alone in this.
    @Little Kiwi, I agree, good post.

    Posted by: Matt26 | Apr 1, 2011 3:59:59 PM

  12. Little Kiwi - well put. For the Win!!

    Posted by: jeff in brooklyn | Apr 1, 2011 4:01:37 PM

  13. to be clear, Rick: i also relate to the music and work of David Bowie. Morrissey. The Ramones. Annie Lennox. Melanie Safka.

    Judy. Barbra. Madonna. Cyndi Lauper. Bjork. David Byrne & Talking Heads. Linda Ronstadt. Lena Horne (LEGENDS LIVE FOREVER!)

    It's odd that you feel that those of us who like Barbra are "incapable of relating to in another gay man, much less a straight man, or even a lesbian", that's an utterly incorrect assumption.

    I'd wonder what it is about you that is stopping you from being able to relate to women who have been "iconized" by some in the gay community.....

    ...sounds sorta like what this video is talking about, eh?

    Posted by: Little Kiwi | Apr 1, 2011 4:01:57 PM

  14. You don't HAVE to like any performer.

    Posted by: anon | Apr 1, 2011 4:10:46 PM

  15. Little Kiwi:

    Name anyone who is not a heterosexual female that would be considered a "gay icon". I don't think you really can and that speaks volumes--I mean, at this point, there are plenty of even straight male entertainers out there who have been emphatic in their support of gay rights, but I seriously doubt they will ever become "icons", regardless of how much talent they might possess and how pro-gay their activities and politics are.

    And I also have to point out to you that many such gay icons have eventually proved to be homophobes--Donna Summer and Gloria Gaynor, just to mention a couple--but even that did not seem to diminish their status as "icons" any more than any amount of pro-gayness enhanced the status of anyone who is not a heterosexual female.

    There may be other actors and singers that many gay people like or appreciate, but that is different from being an "icon" and I think you know what I am talking about....

    As for "going out of my way to let everyone know I am not into gay stereotypical diva icons", I didn't go out of my way--this whole "story" raised the question and I was simply posting in response to it, as one would any other story on this site......I suspect that my post just touched a nerve with some whose self-examination that it might have provoked might reveal some less than flattering truths about themselves

    Posted by: Rick | Apr 1, 2011 4:21:36 PM

  16. Dear Rick, the reason "we" like such iconic divas like Barbra, Bette, Dianna, Judy etc. is because 1) they are/were the best in their field 2) were never afraid of expressing their emotions openly and broadly and 3) were gay friendly to the max in their private lives and enjoyed early success thanks to their gay fans.

    Posted by: BobH | Apr 1, 2011 4:21:57 PM

  17. Basically, drop the insecurities and be yourself without making apologies. That really goes for anyone, gay, straight and otherwise, with life in general. Unfortunately, most people are too insecure to do that.

    Posted by: Francis | Apr 1, 2011 4:22:58 PM

  18. @Rick:

    It's harmless to iconize (i.e., have fun with) female ENTERTAINERS, as long as it all stays in the realm of art and music. I think that's what Little Kiwi means by "You don't understand why some of us relate to a person's art."

    However, Rick, you might have an intuition about how the business world and national politics work, although you don't come out and say it. It's very dangerous for gay men to insist that women should occupy positions of power simply because they are women. Very -- f**king -- dangerous. This tendency is becoming less common as the years pass, but I still see it occasionally. If you follow that logic, some misguided souls would vote Republican (or not vote) in 2008 because Obama committed the "crime" of beating a woman, and Sarah Palin was on the Republican ticket. If you look at the younger generation of gay and bisexual men, you can see that this tendency is going the way of the dinosaur.

    Posted by: Phil | Apr 1, 2011 4:24:00 PM

  19. Just out of curiosity, Bob H, would not all three of your criteria fit Barry Manilow, as well, who is actually a gay man, himself. Is the reason he is not an "icon" to gay men, despite meeting the three criteria you set, that he is a gay man rather than a straight woman? Do you see the point?

    Posted by: Rick | Apr 1, 2011 4:28:40 PM

  20. @ Rick, I agree with you and @ kiwi, how many post are you going to make, I think I see what you have in common with the female Icons, Diva much.

    Posted by: RONTEX | Apr 1, 2011 4:37:11 PM

  21. Quentin Crisp. Morrissey. David Bowie. Audre Lorde. Ian McKellen. Rainer Werner Fassbinder. Jake Shears. Freddie Mercury. BD Wong. Elton John. Harvey Milk. Margarethe Cammermeyer. Bernie Taupin. Gianni Versace. Mark Tewksbury. Greg Louganis. Billie Jean King. Mart Crowley. Andy Warhol. Ethan Mordden. Armistead Maupin. E. Lynn Harris.

    those are just a few non-straight-female Gay Icons.

    the only thing you revealed, Rick, is that either you're still in a very insecure stage in your own life, or you've annexed yourself off from "the community" in such a way that all you're aware of are uneducated straight people's concepts of what a "Gay Icon" is.

    You didn't touch a nerve at all. You just repeated the same things that young gay men who are still insecure about being gay say all the time.

    This video is in fact talking about guys like you, who distance yourselves from something because of an inaccurately perceived " negative Gay Stereotype."

    Your true colours are showing.

    Posted by: Little Kiwi | Apr 1, 2011 4:38:13 PM

  22. Straight females have female icons

    Straight males have male icons

    lesbians have their lesbian icons

    How come the gay icons are females?

    Posted by: Noname | Apr 1, 2011 4:42:17 PM

  23. @ Little Kiwi:

    In my reply to Rick, I posted your sentence, "You don't understand why some of us relate to a person's art." I agree with that sentence because it's intolerant to diss someone for artistic/musical taste.

    However, further down, you say "Are you simply not one that enjoys certain kinds of art or performance?...Seems indicative of insecurity, to me..." That last part of your post also seems a little incapable of understanding other tastes. I don't think an honest dislike (not based on being bullied by society) is indicative of insecurity. If it's honest (as Rick seems to be), then it's taste. Live and let live?

    Posted by: Phil | Apr 1, 2011 4:42:42 PM

  24. Barry Manilow is also not openly gay.

    Posted by: Little Kiwi | Apr 1, 2011 4:43:40 PM

  25. @ Rick let these men embrace who they want to, and you can, well, find excuses as to why these men have made them into icons. At the end of the day if you can belt out a note that has the Met give you a standing ovation for 42 mins, and you are a straight black woman in the 60's I am sure you can understand why a 'few' gay men would 'gasp' make her an icon. (her name Leontyne Price)

    Posted by: hassia | Apr 1, 2011 4:46:50 PM

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