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  1. Glenn says

    You know, it’s a pretty good rule of thumb that if you have to “clarify” that you’re not a bigot, you are one.

  2. says

    Ugh, can someone please tell the “sanctity of marriage” camp that the whole idea of marriage being sacred is a complete and total joke? Sure, it would be ideal if people held themselves to their commitments, honored their spouses, stayed with each other till death, but we all know that seldomly ever happens.

    Conservatives act as if all straight couples treat marriage with the utmost respect or something. Have they watched reality TV lately? Have they taken a look around them and seen what the divorce rate is?

    Bottom line: find a new argument. Please. If for no other reason than to keep this debate interesting.

  3. Soren456 says

    “It will always be wrong.” Purely a value judgment and not an “argument” at all.

  4. chris says

    Wow, he sounds like a real backpedaling idiot who should be sterilized before he passes along his traits.

    To clarify, this is not hatred or bigotry toward idiots. It is not intolerance in any form.

    I just think idiots should have their rights of free speech taken away. This is my personal viewpoint. I do not hate anyone

  5. Randy says

    I believe we’re all equal but some people are more equal than others?

    How do people like this get jobs?

  6. Phil says

    If that is just his personal viewpoint, then why does he find it sad that someone else has a different viewpoint? Is he suggesting that pro hockey should speak with one voice against homosexuality?

  7. Kathlene says

    This is even more ridiculous because same sex marriage is legal in Canada, has been for a few years now.

  8. Randy says

    Oh, I totally missed the line about the guy who likely wrote it being the son of the Agency’s owner. THAT explains how people like this get jobs.

  9. ratbastard says

    @Randy,

    They get jobs because daddy owns the company.

    ==================

    Maybe the gentleman had just come back from a liquid lunch when he made the initial tweet.

  10. Luminum says

    “All animals are equal”

    “But some animals are more equal than others”

  11. says

    Are people surprised by homophobic statements in professional sports? The only thing that surprises me is when men like Sean Avery break that stereotype.

    I assume most professional athletes are homophobic until they prove otherwise.

  12. Bill says

    Regarding, “You know, it’s a pretty good rule of thumb that if you have to “clarify” that you’re not a bigot, you are one,” don’t forget the Twitter exception: you can’t say much in 140 characters or less, so any statement with a few caveats is going to need some clarification.

    What I think he really wanted to clarify was that it was his personal opinion, not the official opinion of his company. If it were the company’s position, they could find themselves losing clients who wouldn’t want to be associated with such nonsense.

  13. Hollywood, CA says

    @ Glenn – HEAR! HEAR!

    If you let someone run the Twitter for your company, then you should accept any fallout for things they say on Twitter. I hold the Hockey Agency responsible and I think Todd Rynolds should Tweet from his own account and not hide behind that agency.

    B-I-G-O-T

  14. jexer says

    Could one of the ‘traditional marriage’ types explain to me what’s ‘sacred’ about allowing adulterers to re-marry?

    Please? I’m really curious here.

  15. Francis says

    Actually, pro athletes tend to be less homophobic overall in comparison to their agents, fans, and associates. Since athletes don’t have *as much* to prove to themselves and others, because they generally go to college and have at least some form of an education, and because they travel a lot so they have more of a sense of the world and at least a little more sense of diversity.

    Anyway, back to the story at hand, this dude first of all, has just ruined his dad’s business image. I’m sure his dad is a bigot too, but for him to go out of his way to do this makes him and the business look like bigots. Serious PR disaster. What Avery did wasn’t to do anything but stand up for what he believes in, and attacking him in the way Mr. Reynolds has done here is wrong on all levels.

    Secondly, going out of your way to justify yourself shows that you clearly do realize that your actions are going to be considered wrong by most. If Todd Reynolds says his beliefs are his own personal views, why attack others who think differently? And then go out of your way to try to deflect any criticism he’s getting? If he thinks everyone is deserving of equality, why does he think it’s wrong if same-sex couples marry and why does he think that it would hurt the integrity of marriage? He’s a hypocrite!

    At the end of the day, people like Todd Reynolds simply don’t view gay people as equals so therefore they don’t see it as inequality to deny gay folk equality. Well, we see that is an increasingly untenable position to hold in society today. Guy is just going to have to take his lumps instead of making excuses.

  16. Bill says

    Regarding, “If you let someone run the Twitter for your company, then you should accept any fallout for things they say on Twitter,” what companies normally do is to have policies on what sort of things gets posted on the company’s twitter account, and that normally excludes anything not business related and not in accordance with the company’s official positions.

    There is a standard technique for handling any serious fallout: “Our policies/positions are such and such, Mr. SoAndSo is no longer with the company, and (if asked) we do not comment on personnel changes.”

  17. Craig says

    The only argument anyone needs to prove that marriage is not sacred (sanctity) is the fact that atheist are allowed to marry. If they really cared about the “sanctity” of marriage they would be trying to stop atheist from marrying also.

  18. Dickster says

    To clarify. Same-sex marriages have been occurring in Canada for a decade.

    This tweeting twit has unknowingly unleashed the wrath of hockey nation upon his agency’s head.

  19. Jon B says

    The NHL has actually been pretty great in terms of standing up against homophobia recently. Ever since Branden Burke came out, his father and his team have been vocally pro-equality. His father and brother, both involved in the NHL, marched in the Toronto Pride parade. And the NHL allowed the Stanley Cup to be part of the Chicago Pride parade. Sean Avery has always been a friend to us.

  20. Michael says

    The agency isn’t all that major–not one of the players you read about at deadline time, anyway. Nor are any of its clients on the list at the start of the story really A-list players. According to the NHLPA, there are more than 150 accredited agents for hockey players to choose from. Every year, The Hockey News puts out an annual list of the 100 most influential people in hockey. The highest agent on that list this year (at no. 44) was Pat Brisson of CAA (whose clients include Jonathan Toews, Sidney Crosby, Eric Johnson, and, in the past, Mats Sundin, Jaromir Jagr, and Sergei Fedorov). Don Meehan (of Newport Sports) was 55, and Allan Walsh (of Octagon) was 95. They were the only three agents to make the list.

  21. bandanajack says

    here’s daddy’s email address (i didn’t bother writing to the pinhead son)

    don@uptownsports.ca

    i blistered a few electrons, in a very dignified manner, and even clarified that a non apology apology would only make matters worse. i also suggested he might want to rethink who he lets handle the twitter account that represents his company to the WHOLE EFFING WORLD, and what is to be said in the company’s name.

  22. ratbastard says

    @DICKSTER,
    ‘On July 20, 2005, Canada became the fourth country in the world and the first country in the Americas to legalize same-sex marriage nationwide with the enactment of the Civil Marriage Act which provided a gender-neutral marriage definition. Court decisions, starting in 2003, each already legalized same-sex marriage in eight out of ten provinces and one of three territories, whose residents comprised about 90% of Canada’s population. ‘

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Same-sex_marriage_in_Canada

    Same-sex [gay] marriage in Canada came about [aboot] through court rulings. A majority Liberal government made it law. Canadian people didn’t vote for it. Obviously, many Canadians disapprove of it.

    And it’s been legal in Canada since June, 2005, 6 years.

    =================

    ‘Same-sex marriage in the U.S. state of Massachusetts began on May 17, 2004, as a result of the Supreme Judicial Court of Massachusetts ruling in Goodridge v. Department of Public Health that it was unconstitutional under the Massachusetts constitution to allow only heterosexual couples to marry. Massachusetts became the sixth jurisdiction in the world (after the Netherlands, Belgium, Ontario, British Columbia, and Quebec) to legalize same-sex marriage.’

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Same-sex_marriage_in_Massachusetts

    Same sex marriage became law in Massachusetts one year before the whole of Canada [but after B.C., Ontario and Quebec.]

  23. Dastius Krazitauc says

    The father and owner of the company’s statement is even worse:

    “It’s sad. I mean, my personal position is that I do not support gay marriage, and I think it’s wrong, as well. It’s not politically correct to, I guess, give your opinion about a thing like that. It’s politically correct on the other side, for people to say, ‘sure, I support gay marriage.’ But the majority, I think, of Canadians would say that they don’t agree with gay marriage – that man and woman were created to be married, not man and man or man and horse, you know?”

  24. says

    I love it when bigots say they’re ‘for equality,’ and then list off a bunch of exceptions, as if they somehow don’t count. If they’re going to be opposed to our equal rights, then at least be honest about it.

    On another note… in the even-a-stopped-clock-is-right-twice-a-day category, I like the word “same-gender” marriage more than “same-sex.” I usually refer to it as marriage equality in general, but I may actually steal same-gender as an alternative going into the future, because even though gender is a synonym for sex in the way that it’s used in “same-sex marriage,” the two words impact people in different ways and we always lose when we allow bigots to paint our relationships as something that’s just about sex, instead of love and commitment, like any other committed relationship is thought of as being about.

    So, ah… even if he is a bigot, thanks dude.

  25. dizzy spins says

    If that;s his PERSONAL viewpoint, why is he espousing it on the company’s official Twitter account, where presumably he is speaking for the entire staff and all their clients? Twitter accounts are free—why didnt this guy just post this on his own personal account?

    And how many times do we need to tell people that if you dont support marriage equality you are discriminating against gays. You’re entitled to that opinion, but you have to accept the stigma that comes with it.

  26. Badly Drawn Boston Boy says

    This guy actually played NCAA Hockey at my alma matter, Northeastern University. Funny – cause I’ve had sex with half the hockey team.

  27. beth says

    Another hockey player has come out in support of gay marriage. Paul Bissonnette (BizNasty) on his twitter:

    “I agree with Sean Avery and his comments on the same sex marriage issue @NortonSports. If 2 people are happy together let them be happy.”

    Hopefully, we’ll see more players take a stand! :)

  28. Ty says

    This story is so infuriating. Why should this guy be saying this hateful stuff on their company’s twitter account? That’s just bad for them in so many ways. Apparently, he doesn’t see the big picture. Being a bigot doesn’t make anyone a better person (or company).

  29. Justin in Oaklawn, Dallas, TX says

    Oy! Way to make the company look good, TODD!

    And, by the way, it’s not “marriage” with quotes. It’s marriage — without quotes. It’s real. It’s good. It’s everywhere. And, it’s not legal in this republic… yet. I hear tell it is in Canada, though.

    Um.. wait. WAIT! You’re CANADIAN! The article says you’re based out of Ontario. YOU’RE critical of a New York citizen, a worker and taxpayer of New York State, who’s participating in free speech about the operation of his own government, and YOU diss him for expressing an opinion WHILST expressing a CANADIAN opinion of your OWN on the matter? How dare you? Where do you get off with that? What a JACKASS! In other words, NOBODY WHO COUNTS ASKED YOU.

    I’ll hand it to ya — you’re as ballsy as you are pompous.

  30. reacenyc says

    Here is Todd Reynolds email address as found on Uptown Sports Management website.

    todd@uptownsports.ca

    Todd and his wife Holly live in Burlington, Ontario and have three children: Samuel, Hope, and Maxwell.

    Lets hope that Samuel, Hope, or Maxwell dont end up being gay…with an open minded role model like Todd for a dad, it would be a hard life.

  31. Justin L Werner says

    Good for Avery. It gives me a warm feeling when somebody stands up for others. As the bigotry noise ratchets up another notch, it takes stories like these for me to keep my hope up.

  32. Josh says

    In the US some states recognise same sex marriage/unions “as long” as u r from the US, if your relationship is bi-national you are invisible-so much for the “United’ states being lad of the free. As for the religious people claiming marriage as theirs, do some research on hand-fasting a pagan union that was taken by the church as money making entity-pagan old faiths have been performing it for centuries prior to the church [just like easter/xmas etc]. How many str8 marriages are performed for religious reasons?? not many-how nuts is that-but nope,,, no double standards there.

  33. Mike says

    But why get pissed because someone else is supporting gay marriage? It’s nice that he clarified he doesn’t hate anyone… Especially since his first tweet was a bit harsh! But he doesn’t have a right to that other guys opinion either.

  34. oliver says

    I wonder if, two days ago, this Todd Reynolds held Arnold Schwarzenegger and Maria Shriver up on some pedestal of Christian marriage perfection?

  35. John Freeman says

    “In Canada and the U.S. it’s a hot-button topic right now.” Huh?
    Its time someone clued these two idiots in to the fact that same sex marriage is legal in Canada. Its too late to shut the stable door, the horse has gone.

  36. Tim NC says

    @Mike…. It’s nice that he clarified he doesn’t hate anyone????

    His statement contains this:

    I believe in morality and I believe in right and wrong.

    That statement is saying that he believes that same gender marriage is both wrong and immoral. One would guess that he also believes that in general about same gender relationships. That qualifies for hate in my eyes even if he wants to deny it.

  37. Hue-Man says

    With the Conservabigots winning a majority in the Canadian Parliament, you can expect a lot more of this hatred from politicians and wingnuts. Their views haven’t changed from 2005 when they spoke and voted against marriage equality.

  38. AJ says

    I find it hilarious that they both say they are not bigots, but the first guy put marriage in quotes as if two people of the same gender cannot possibly equal opposite gender couples in the marriage area, and the second guy literally compared it to beastiality. Like father like son?

  39. excy says

    Same sex marriage has been legal in all Canadian provinces and territories since June, 2005. Of course it is a hot topic in the USA as you march towards equality. It is only a hot topic in Canada for bigots and homophobes that think they can turn back time.

    I imagine they are commenting on Sean Avery’s message because Sean is a Canadian. Todd and Don Reynolds should shut up as they are in the minority up here. This, though, is a wake up call. The newly elected Conservative government has said they will not revisit this decision and will not remove rights. Histoire à suivre.

  40. TampaZeke says

    Here we go with the false equivalence of bigotry again. The old, my fight against the civil rights of other people is just as legitimate and just as righteous as that people’s fight for their own civil rights, argument. We heard it all across the South in the 50’s and 60’s and it stinks just as bad today. Unfortunately, the media still feels that the two arguments ARE equivalent; at least when it applies to the civil rights of gays and those who fight against them.

  41. chris says

    to all those that were hating on Avery….save it for the people that are real bigots…real racists….and who prefer to harm people rather than help people.

  42. says

    Some people don’t do themselves any favors by having a Twitter Feed. As others have pointed out, Canada has had marriage equality for several years now.

    Team Daddy/Boy are basically lying: In Canada, their home base, it is not a raging social debate, nor a hot-button topic. Marriage equality is settled in Canada, non-controversial, supported by the majority, and even the Conservative government knows that revisiting marriage would win them no political points.

    These fools are laughably out of touch with their own country.

  43. says

    These people are from Bumfuck Smallsville Ontario. They think their uneducated, bigoted opinions are “the majority” because they’ve never really left their small towns.

    They’re in for a tonne of shock when they get out into the rest of Canada….

    Canadian people did not vote for Marriage Equality because our government understood that a minority’s rights and freedoms should not be voted on by a third-party majority.

    Gentiles don’t get to make laws for Jews, Whites don’t get to make rules for non-whites, gay people’s lives are not dictated by the limitations of straight people.

    It’s rather simple.

    And while federal marriage equality has been in Canada for a few years, we are in fact the first country to have a legal gay marriage, as our first gay marriage (which got the whole ball rolling) took place in 2001.

    The way it passed legally is a triumph of the legal system: there are no intelligent, factual nor logical reasons to keep LGBT citizens from marrying. None. Only bigoted “opinions”, which alas are given far too much weight in the USA.

    Similar to how Toronto and a few other cities in Canada have legalized female toplessness. Why? Courts were unable to prove, with factual logic and credible reason, why exposed female breasts are somehow more inherently harmful and “wrong” than exposed male breasts.

    it’s called logic, folks

  44. anon says

    Hockey’s been in decline for well over a decade. They must be sweating pucks that it might now get labeled as the “gay” sport. This is really a message that any gay image for the sport will kill off TV ratings for good.

  45. says

    My parents and I proudly marched with Brian Burke, with PFLAG, in Toronto’s Pride Parade last year. Brian had promised his son they would march together, his son’s death (of course) prevented that from happening.

    This is why we march. We march for those who cannot. We march to defy those who say we SHOULD not.

    Write to the people at uptownsports.ca

    write to them. A LOT.

  46. wimsy says

    Gee, that acorn didn’t fall far from the hateful bigoted sanctimonious tree.

  47. bandanajack says

    still waiting for one or more of his clients to jump ship. here’s hoping other management firms put the word out they will be glad to take the refugees.

  48. mcNnyc says

    Im still trying to wrap my head around this one.
    A CANADIAN Hockey agent goes after a US Citizen and Resident of NY State who is exercising his CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT of FREEDOM OF SPEECH by passing a VALUE JUDGEMENT on Sean : “Very Sad” “misguided” “Wrong” and this parasitic “agent” who does no real value to the sport is claiming moral victimhood?

  49. says

    I just don’t understand what sanctity means. Definition: holiness, saintliness, or godliness. There are many Episcopals, Methodists, Lutherans, and other Christians who think any life long relationship is holy regardless of gender.

    Even more so, I don’t understand the “I have nothing against gay people” argument. That’s like saying “I have nothing against Arkansas, I just don’t think husbands and wives should be related.”

  50. walter says

    hockey players should avoi these agents at all costs and fans should avoid the players who use these agents . maybe if father and son bigots lose clients they will display a little more understanding. but as of right now they feel their words won’t have consequences. teams and playersmust find other agents to deal with.

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