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Watch: Ron Paul on Gay Marriage, DOMA, Heroin at the GOP Debate

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Ron Paul addressed same-sex marriage and DOMA at last night's GOP Presidential Debate, as well as the legalization of heroin and his definition of liberty.

Check out the clips along with some commentary from around the web, AFTER THE JUMP...

A new CNN poll, taken before the Bin Laden news, showed Ron Paul as the only current GOP presidential hopeful with a chance of beating Obama in November:

According to the poll, taken before the announcement of Osama bin Laden's death, President Barack Obama has an edge over all the top GOP candidates in hypothetical match-ups.

Who does best against Obama? Paul. The congressman from Texas, who also ran as a libertarian candidate for president in 1988 and who is well liked by many in the tea party movement, trails the president by only seven points (52 to 45 percent) in a hypothetical general election showdown. Huckabee trails by eight points, with Romney down 11 points to Obama. The poll indicates the president leading Gingrich by 17 points, Palin by 19, and Trump by 22 points.

Jeremy Hooper at Good As You writes:

Congressman Paul's description is completely lacking on the practical level. In truth, DOMA not only involves "protecting the states," as it were, but also involves limiting those states that do have equal marriage rights from honoring their married same-sex couples in the same way as heterosexual marriages. So while it may be consistent with his larger goal to see benefit in DOMA section 2 (the part that prevents states from having to honor other states' unions), Congressman Paul's lack of acknowledgement for DOMA section 3 (the part that prevents states that currently have equal marriage from receiving the same federal recognition that heterosexual couples currently receive) gets back to his unwillingness to focus on the here and now and instead focus on the theoretical future. In the here and now, there is inequality under the law. A member of Congress (and certainly a president) has to deal with the present bull crap, even if he thinks the odor runs deeper.

And here's a question about the legalization of drugs and liberty:

Eli Sanders at Slog writes:

As Ron Paul starts in on his heroin lecture he's basically being laughed off the South Carolina stage. Then, in just two minutes and thirty seconds, he manages to gently point out the GIANT contradiction in a bunch of small-government, freedom-first conservatives cheering for government to interfere in people's private lives.

Now, the presence of this kind of contradiction isn't news or a revelation to anyone who pays attention to politics. But it's not easy to explain the contradiction to a crowd like this, to basically tell a bunch of South Carolina conservatives that they're being unthinkingly inconsistent. Ron Paul does that, and at the end of his two minutes and thirty seconds he essentially has a hall full of Republicans cheering for heroin legalization.

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  1. Baby steps, Mr. Paul, baby steps, how about we legalize marijuana first?

    Posted by: Henry Holland | May 6, 2011 10:11:45 AM


  2. You might want to bring that point on DOMA to his attention. He didn't vote for DOMA, and I don't know that he read it, since he didn't vote on it. He knows why some people want it, is all. He changed on DADT when supporters pointed out to him that it wasn't the nonfraternization policy he had thought. He's a good man.

    Posted by: JKR | May 6, 2011 10:13:56 AM


  3. So the old dude with a nutty streak is leader of the Republican pack? I don't this will be what keeps Obama up at night.

    Posted by: Ernie | May 6, 2011 10:24:14 AM


  4. JKR

    Paul is NOT a good man, he is crazy

    -No dept of education
    - The smithsonian closed and no museum in america to get fed funds "The federal government's job is to not educate the public"
    - ALL national park lands and Gov managed lands sold off to big biz oil and mineral companies
    - NO FDA
    - NO social security
    - No medicare

    etc etc

    The only thing the fed government should be allowed to do in radical extremist /fanatical libhertarian ron paul's world is patrol our borders and NOTHING else


    Posted by: mstrozfckslv@yahoo.com | May 6, 2011 10:25:54 AM


  5. I'm also not totally convinced that he understands all the nuances of DOMA. Thus, we get his comment about just not interfering with the states. I don't think that changes the fact that he's 100% against it.

    Just my take. What do I know.

    Ron Paul is kind of awesome. But, like another straight-shooter Howard Dean, he'll never be president. Not if that clapping of all those idiots is any indication. That was a prime example of sheep without brains.

    Posted by: DaVinciSmetana | May 6, 2011 10:27:26 AM


  6. DAV

    paul is awesome?

    He is against SS and medicare 100%

    Sign your SS checks over now to someone else and refuse medicare when your old

    Ron paul is a libertarian jihadist

    Posted by: mstrozfckslv@yahoo.com | May 6, 2011 10:30:52 AM


  7. mstrozfckslv@yahoo.com is right, Paul is just another Randian extremist. We need someone who looks for practical solutions over ideological purity.

    Posted by: Wes | May 6, 2011 10:31:02 AM


  8. A true Libertarian believes that Government should not interfere at all with the citizens personal lives and that people should have the freedom to do whatever they want, such as drugs, so long as that person does not harm another unwilling participant in the process.

    However, getting to Equal Marriage involves more than just non-government intrusion, even in a perfect Libertarian state. Since the government has to grant or extend some rights for the marriage to be equal, it will require action and not passivity which is my biggest complaint about Libertarians. I agree with their ideology; however, they rarely have the balls (or political power) to change the existing system.

    Posted by: Chadd | May 6, 2011 10:31:29 AM


  9. He may be a good man - but he's an idealogue in the worst way.

    Posted by: AERES | May 6, 2011 10:35:50 AM


  10. It's unfortunate that the rest of the country can't deal with him, He would make the worst president if elected now, But in his (entirely obtainable!) perfect world, he would be pretty awesome.

    His son is a total jag though, has none of Ron's values, intelligence or honor.

    Posted by: Fenrox | May 6, 2011 10:36:43 AM


  11. Ron Paul is a civil libertarian, he is not crazy. If you want unfettered freedom, and are willing to accept that a lot of conveniences will fly out the window...then go head, child!

    I used to be a progressive Kucinich style, but if I had to pick from a typical Democrat or Ron Paul...I'm going with Paul because he votes consistently pro-Liberty. Do I agree with everything he says? Nope, but...he always votes what he says.

    Meaning he is at least trustworthy. More freedom makes the world scarier, it means you need to take ownership of your own life, but that's better than having to deal with the moral oppression of the Palin-Beck types and the aw shucks lip service of Clinton.

    Posted by: Rin | May 6, 2011 10:40:35 AM


  12. @mstrozfckslv,

    Nobody here is voting for this guy, Nobody thinks he will become president, he is 99% ideology.


    SO CALM DOWN, what did Ron Paul do to you? Did he not give you lollipop in 1982 when he was a doctor?

    Posted by: Fenrox | May 6, 2011 10:40:37 AM


  13. Do all the heroin you want! Oh, so long as you don't have an abortion... Ron Paul wants to legislate making abortion illegal, yay for personal liberty and non-intrusive government?!

    Ron Paul's spiel is a lot more popular with the Concerned Citizens Coalition (KKK-lite)... no pesky laws to protect minorities.

    Posted by: Richard | May 6, 2011 10:42:18 AM


  14. FCK YOU BIGOT PARTY

    Posted by: curtis | May 6, 2011 10:47:38 AM


  15. FENROX

    The issue is he is part and parcel of moving the center to the extreme right which is anti-maerican and traitorous. Since the reagan era the center in america has moved right and continues to this day to move right. Acceptance of paul and his radical idiocy just helps to contribute to moving the center to the right

    libertarianism in practice would see america cease to exist and best case scenario a bunch of big bizz as monarchies running small feudal states

    Posted by: mstrozfckslv@yahoo.com | May 6, 2011 10:48:42 AM


  16. Another science denier. He can spew all he wants, but isn't allowed anywhere close to the big red button.

    Posted by: bilitis | May 6, 2011 10:54:17 AM


  17. @mstrozfckslv:

    That's OK, because as a young American, I'll probably never see a dime of Social Security anyway. I don't particularly enjoy being forced to subsidize/support the baby boomer generation and face receiving jack squat in my old age...

    @Curtis:

    My, what a nuanced, thought-out position...

    Posted by: Jack | May 6, 2011 10:55:01 AM


  18. @Ernie,

    The 'old' dude is no dummie. Are you an MD? If not, go try for a medical degree.

    Of course it's easier just to call people names.

    Posted by: ratbastard | May 6, 2011 11:10:14 AM


  19. He may lack what we call a social conscious but his main role in life is to keep people honest. He lead the ultimately unsuccessful revolt against the Wall St. bailout in the House. Now, there was a trillion dollars that would have helped the poor, etc... His anti-hubris policies would go a long way towards ending/preventing govt. fiascoes of all sorts. However, even libertarians need to account for public goods, externalities and crimes of deception that Ron Paul's generation tend to ignore.

    Posted by: anon | May 6, 2011 11:13:14 AM


  20. @Jack,

    You support in taxes and other 'fees' for all kinds of stuff, just like me. Take advantage of everything you're entitled to. Don't be like a lot of 'middle class' Americans who're easily embarrassed to stake their rightful claim. Big businesses and other institutions lobby governments for hand outs and goodies!

    In fairness, these 'boomers' also paid into a system [most of them anyway] and rightly expect to collect.

    The biggest problem of the past half century isn't social security or really any other 'entitlement', it' s our industry has been decimated by unfair trade agreements [American workers can not compete $ wise with 2nd and 3rd world workers]. Also, crony capitalism, few criminal prosecutions of insider deals, weakening of anti-trust laws, and massive level of corporate welfare are the main culprits.

    Posted by: ratbastard | May 6, 2011 11:20:18 AM


  21. And ridiculous regulations that are deliberately created to benefit the powerful few

    Posted by: ratbastard | May 6, 2011 11:21:53 AM


  22. @Richard

    Actually his opinion is that these cases should be turned over to the states per the Constitution regardless of his personal opinion.

    With everything in politics not everyone will agree with you 100%. You look at the big picture.

    The drug war has cost us billions and billions of dollars. It has criminalized behavior that is no one's business but your own and put non-violent offenders behind bars and made drug traffickers billionaires.

    Abortion affects fewer people than the drug war. Look up marijuana usage statistics. These laws have made more criminals than ever before.

    I'm a female and I can't say that the right to choose an abortion is more important than the right to choose what I put in my own body. Right now the government tells me I can't have raw milk if I want. I can't smoke pot. I can't eat a mushroom that grows naturally...but I can go have a surgical procedure that corrects a mistake I made 8 weeks prior. To me...its all the same. The right to choose to have an abortion is no different than the right to bend over, pick up a magic mushroom and eat it.

    Hell I can buy drano and drink it, but I can't smoke pot?

    OKay...

    Posted by: Rin | May 6, 2011 11:32:15 AM


  23. So he doesn't support government interfering and limiting heroine use but does support the government interfering and limiting equal marriage rights for all citizens?

    Typical buffet "libertarian". Take what you like and leave what you don't.

    Posted by: TampaZeke | May 6, 2011 11:57:03 AM


  24. he is honest?!

    Serial killers are honest, they want to kill you. How sweet, gawddd bless them for their honesty

    Ron and son Rand Paul both want to NIX the FDA

    The US Food and Drug administration for crying out loud.

    All you = He is so honest nit wits

    Fine lets put arsenic and a thousand other poisons in your food and medicines because that is "Freedom" and so "Honest"

    Idiots

    Luckily many modern day repubs consider ron paul a complete nutter

    Posted by: mstrozfckslv@yahoo.com | May 6, 2011 11:57:03 AM


  25. @MSTROZFCKSLV@YAHOO.COM,

    Seriously, are you a useful idiot tool or paid shill?

    Posted by: ratbastard | May 6, 2011 12:07:45 PM


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