1. ratbastard says

    I find it difficult to relate to the very wealthy owner of a professional sports franchise. Just as much as it’s difficult to relate to multimillionaire jocks. Much of what he says is also disingenuous imho. But, he certainly doesn’t owe me or the gay ‘community’ anything. It’s his life.

  2. jim morrissey says

    UM. How does Magic Johnson having HIV equate with him coming out or needing to? Did he say he was HIV positive? Is this guy for real? What an asinine question.
    Also, he wanted him to publicly out people?

  3. ratbastard says

    Also, what a pathetic joke Spitzer [and CNN for hiring him] is. This a**wipe while as part of his former job rigorously prosecuted prostitution and so-called ‘Johns’, all the while using prostitutes himself. Then he used his wife and family as a shield of respectability when he got caught. He’s nothing more than a vain, arrogant spoiled brat who’s led a very privileged life.

  4. Land This says

    He’s not the owner of Phoenix Suns, or at least, not the majority owner.

  5. ratbastard says

    As for the world of jocks, either HS, college, ‘amateur’, pro, etc., homophobia/anti-gay attitudes are real, widespread, and widely tolerated. Being a ‘jock’ has of course been used for eons as a barometer of whether someone is a ‘f*g’. Even though there are plenty of jocks who’re are bi/gay, almost all are on the DL. I played sports in school and now, and enjoy watching, etc., But it’s always bothered me how jocks at almost all levels are treated often inordinately better than others, and how they are worshiped by many. And it really bothers me how many gay and bi men emulate str8s in likewise worshiping them, even though they really do represent institutions that historically and even now are at the forefront of mocking and ridiculing gay men, regardless of what appears to be a fairly decently orchestrated PR campaign going on. I think some gay men suffer from Stockholm Syndrome in this regard.

  6. ratbastard says

    Yeah, you’re right. I meant to say president. Aside from that, I still stand by what I posted though.

  7. ohplease says

    I don’t get this mantra of “he doesn’t owe me anything”. That’s got nothing to do with anything. He’s decided to make his life public, or, in other words, to make it our business. We didn’t ask him to, but, now that he has, We’re going to have an opinion about it. All the dominating of a thread and all the scare quotes in the world won’t change that fact.

    It’s also wrong, because he owes the LGBT community everything for all that all the people who have been out for the last CENTURY have given him. He wouldn’t finally be living his life for the first time when he’s never had anything to lose if it weren’t for all the men and women who sacrificed everything they had to make it possible. It’s disgraceful that he’s only started paying that back and it’s disgraceful for anyone to erase the sacrifices of their betters by saying he doesn’t owe them anything.

    He’s a coward and an idiot. He’s a rich white man who denied his own dead partner when he was supported by his employers, his family and his friends. He could have been using his influence for decades to make things better, but he chose to cower for no reason at all instead, even while his own partner died. He’s a failure as a human being.

    That’s the only story to be told here.

  8. Rin says


    You know what…I hadn’t looked at it that way. Thank you.

    You are correct, the older people of the GLBT movement are owed “something” because they were out, pushing for equality and taking their lumps so that teenagers today can make mockery of them and the movement.

    He owes them something.

  9. Henry Holland says

    “But it’s always bothered me how jocks at almost all levels are treated often inordinately better than others, and how they are worshiped by many”

    That’s nothing compared to how people in the military have their asses kissed. At least athletes aren’t usually out there slaughtering people so we can have cheap oil.

    What OHPLEASE @ 10:14 said. Everyone around him knew he was gay apparently –he didn’t date women or getting straight-married it seems– but he let the charade go on for *decades*.

  10. Yeek says

    Well, OhPlease, I don’t agree with everything you’re saying but you’ve got some good points. This man is getting a lot of praise because he’s a public figure, but there are plenty of people who’ve taken much braver stands who are never talked about.

    I will say that I don’t think he’s asking for praise in particular, and I don’t think he’s portraying himself as a martyr. To his credit he refers primarily to his own personal weakness.

    Also: the pioneers of gay and lesbian rights struck out for their own liberation, and the principle of liberation for all. While they wanted to make a better world, I don’t think they’d demand that a retroactive debt be paid by an individual who didn’t ask them to take the brave steps that they did. He owes it to his own integrity to honor them. If he chooses not to, well, the law often allows what honor forbids.

  11. ratbastard says


    The military, police, jails, prisons, are very much necessary ‘evils’ [at least SOME aspects of these institutions and organizations could be classified as evil.] Our world is not a peaceful utopia, and there are plenty of bad people [including mentally ill] who would gladly hurt others, including innocent people, etc. This extends to politics on the world stage and interactions and relationships between nation states, even to some extent races and ethnicities.

    Professional sports, spoiled athletes, ARE NOT necessary.

  12. ratbastard says

    If someone say, for the sake of argument, Henry Holland, were in a situation where he was about to be turned into a lampshade in a concentration camp, I believe he’d be pleased if some ‘murderers’ i.e. soldiers, came to his rescue. Likewise, if he was being seriously assaulted, I think he’d be pleased if a ‘pig’, i.e. cop, showed up and stopped the assault. I assume he’d be pleased if his assaulter were tried, convicted and sent to prison also.

  13. Ty says

    Leave it to ratbastard and ohplease to bring the negativity, and suck any semblance of joy and celebration out of this incredible milestone. Good going bitter queens!!

  14. nodnarb says

    Part of me thinks he’s a coward for not coming out sooner.

    But on the other hand, I gotta hand it to him for not using his coming out as a means to flog a book or sign up for the Howard Bragman big gay sob story PR campaign. He really is doing it because he feels remorse and thinks it’s the right thing to do.

  15. says

    Yes it’s frustrating he didn’t come out sooner, but this is a good thing. What a week! Three high profile coming out stories…this can only help us even if we tend to think they came (out) late to the party!

  16. ratbastard says


    I’m not ‘old’, and I’m not a ‘queen’. You’re lucky you’re behind a computer screen and not standing in front of me,boss.

  17. Roger says

    Loved the quote at the end on marriage equality. “I’m still looking for the asterick.”

    I don’t care that he came out this late in life or this priviledged. Its another high profile move that only helps us all in the long run.

  18. daftpunkydavid says

    whether it’s for a book, or for “remorse” (what?), i am glad they come out.

    so long as our society treats us like we’re not full citizens, every gay person coming out is a hero in my book. the consequences of coming out were definitely dire in the past; and we are forever grateful to those who gave the ultimate sacrifice for us today. that is the case for every single civil rights issue. we stand on the shoulders of giants.

    but people forget that for each individual, coming out is very much akin to reinventing the wheel. so for some people to be standing behind their computers talking about money , race, etc. as reasons these people should have come out earlier is pretty ridiculous, and misses the point, really.

  19. BobN says

    I get that he was in the closet AT WORK to save his career and that his career was the most important thing in his life. But that’s not the same as HAVING to be in the closet, especially since many — if not most — of his colleagues and peers where aware he was gay.

    When you’re out to your mom and to your sister and you live with your partner for 14 years, openly, it’s a little weird to call that “in the closet”.

    On the other hand, who knows what goes on in other people’s heads…

  20. BobN says

    I’d also be more impressed if all these sports teams would, after calling to support him, institute non-discrimination policies in their organizations…

  21. nodnarb says

    If you do not know what remorse means, there are plenty of online dictionaries that will help you out.

  22. Bill says

    Elliot got it right when he said things don’t change because of PSAs, they change because gay people are out, they make it ordinary to be out.

  23. james Brown says

    This is truly the “final frontier”: we have tackled the Military… and almost everything else… this is the final hurdle!

  24. GregV says

    I’m very glad Welts is taking this bold step. Every coming-out has exponential positive effects on others’ decisions to also come out an/or be more open-minded.

    There were a few odd moments in the interview. “Can you name any gay sports figures?” / “No.”

    If asked the same question, I would have started naming various gay sports figures from past and present like John Amaechi, David Kopay, Brendan Burke, Martina Navratilova, Billy Bean, Esera Tuaolo…. I’m typing these off the top of my head and there are many others. He could have stressed the fact that typically they won’t come out till they’re retired, and that we can see from the list of names that they were there all along.
    To just say “no” suggests he doesn’t read much on the subject or suggests (inaccurately) that maybe there just never has been anyone gay in sports.

    I thought it was odd for the host to ask about the reaction to a straight guy’s (Magic Johnson’s) HIV status without any relevant tie-in to the subject at hand.

    The last question (“Your views on same-sex marriage: for or against it?”) struck me as something whose answer should be self-evident. It would be like asking Jackie Robinson: “Black people being allowed to vote: Are you for or against?”