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Listen: NY Archbishop Timothy Dolan Speaks Out Against Marriage Equality Bill, Says Cuomo Reached Out to Church


NYC Archbishop Timothy Dolan appeared on Talk1300 am this morning with the New York Post's Fred Dicker and spoke out against the marriage equality bill, praising lawmakers who are standing up against it, Think Progress reports.

Said Dolan: 

This is just perilous, Fred, we feel, to have the state tamper in one of the sacred and established and constituent definitions in the human project, namely the definition of marriage. We just feel it would be detrimental for the common good. We’ve got to admit we come at this from the posture of religious belief, of biblical morality and we find it unjust and immoral from those grounds. But this goes a little bit beyond this. This is a very violation of what we consider natural law that’s embedded in every man and woman and we’re really worried as Americans that it’s going to be detrimental to the common good.

Capital Tonight writes:

During an interview with Fred Dicker on Talk1300AM, Dolan specifically thanked several of the undecided Republican Senators, Greg Ball, Andy Lanza, and Stephen Saland for strongly considering the impact a yes vote on same sex marriage will have on religion.

He also addressed the ongoing discussion about drafting a bill with carve outs that protect religious organizations. Dolan says Governor Cuomo reached out to the Catholic church and asked them if they would lend some of their lawyers to help draft legislation. Dolan says they were happy to help, but they still are adamantly opposed to passage of the bill.


In related news, Brooklyn Bishop DiMarzio was spotted entering Majority Leader Dean Skelos' office this morning.

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  1. impact to the church: 0
    impact to the church's ego: 100%

    Posted by: amaezm | Jun 17, 2011 12:35:23 PM

  2. That's some news there...Cuomo is then considering changing the bill. I hope it goes no further to protect discrimination than laws in other states like NH.

    Posted by: Bruno | Jun 17, 2011 12:37:12 PM

  3. Sounds like some NY bishops are up to their elbows in politics. It's time to yank their tax exempt status.

    Posted by: Boone | Jun 17, 2011 12:42:54 PM

  4. Note to Dolan: In a society with no established religion or state church, like the United States of America, no church, not yours, not mine, gets to tell everyone what to do. In this country, marriage is defined by the states, not by the dominant religion, not even by the federal government.

    You're not worried "as Americans" that it's detrimental to the common good. You're worried it's another erosion of the power of the Catholic church.

    The erosion of the Catholic church's authority to define everything for everyone began in the Renaissance, the Protestant Reformation, and the Enlightenment, over 500 years ago.

    You're losing. Get used to it.

    Posted by: james | Jun 17, 2011 12:44:56 PM

  5. Dear Archbishop Dolan,

    You are the reason that your Catholic flock is dwindling. Will you continue to be the fount of negativity or a path to enlightenment?

    And yes...I am quite sure that you are reading this.

    Posted by: AllBeefPatty | Jun 17, 2011 12:48:37 PM

  6. tell this clown in a dress to shut and keep his beliefs to himself not everyone follows his tenants and he should not be able to force them on everyone else. and if he doesn't stop making veiled threats to elected representatives remind them they work the electorate not the church.

    Posted by: walter | Jun 17, 2011 12:50:50 PM


    Posted by: David Ehrenstein | Jun 17, 2011 12:58:26 PM

  8. He even admits his position is religious bigotry, but still thinks it should be his way and his way alone. Where the Hell does he think he lives, the Vatican?

    Call Archbishop Dolan and tell him to keep HIS religion out of OUR government. It's a government of the PEOPLE, by the PEOPLE, and for the PEOPLE...NOT of the church, by the church and for the church!

    Contact: Archbishop Timothy Dolan
    Phone: 212-371-1000

    Oh, and be polite(ish), no threats, etc.

    Posted by: AggieCowboy | Jun 17, 2011 12:58:36 PM

  9. AAAAAAHHHHHH! Marriage is not sacred!! Atheist can marry.

    Posted by: Craig | Jun 17, 2011 12:59:34 PM

  10. I think these anti-marriage new yorkers need to get out and travel a bit. The archbishop and that NOM football player talk like this is the first time in history that gay marriage might be leaglized, and predict all sorts of anarchy and national failure as a result. But we've had gay marriage for years in New England and in lots of other countries, and so far, I haven't noticed mobs rioting in Vermont. When they make these crazy predictions they should be challenged as to why these calamities haven't happened elsewhere.

    Posted by: Brian | Jun 17, 2011 1:04:51 PM

  11. I am in no way religious and don't believe for a moment that religions like Mormanism, Methodists and most notable Catholicism should be able to wield as much power as they do in free society. As far as I'm concerned they should be shown the back door. For any one group to be able to discriminate for centuries against a minority aiming to destory that minority is unforgivable. Not one church should be granted tax-exemptions of any kind.

    Posted by: OS2Guy | Jun 17, 2011 1:12:02 PM

  12. You know what's bad for society? Pedophilia. You know what's also bad for society? Misogyny, lying, manipulation of the weak, a growing division between rich and poor, and voters who cast ballots based on religious dogma instead of a thorough understanding of the issues.

    Marriage isn't sacred for everybody. Often, it's a means to an end. People get married for immigration purposes, tax purposes, child-rearing purposes, inheritance purposes, to get the ecclesiastical go-ahead to have sex with someone, or at the behest of the millions of audience members calling in to vote on who gets to marry the person on a given reality TV show.

    Also, it's important to rememeber that the Catholic church isn't considered Christian by many people, including much of my home state. They're not Christians. They're idolaters who bow to a roman dictator. So Dolan can shut his fat, myopic mouth and quit spouting off about something he doesn't understand in the slightest.

    Posted by: The Milkman | Jun 17, 2011 1:16:25 PM

  13. It just infuriates me that we still look to ring leaders in the largest pedophile ring in the history of mankind for our moral guidance and advice on what is right and wrong.

    And without ANY shame, they are more than happy to step forward as moral authorities.

    Posted by: TampaZeke | Jun 17, 2011 1:21:43 PM

  14. Dolan his church assets in Milwaukee to prevent them from being given to priest molestation victims

    Posted by: homer | Jun 17, 2011 1:30:53 PM

  15. Correct me if I am wrong, but doesn't biblical morality says that you should kill you children if they talk back at you?

    Posted by: RandyN | Jun 17, 2011 1:31:46 PM

  16. They still hide their child molesters..
    And they walk like a political party, they squawk like a political party......they are a political party.
    @ BOONE : yeah, they should lose any tax exempt status and they can just be as political as the Teabaggers.

    Posted by: JackFknTwist | Jun 17, 2011 1:34:21 PM

  17. This guy is a fool.
    How anyone could take advice on marriage from an unmarried, celibate person is beyond ludicrous.

    Posted by: SteveC | Jun 17, 2011 2:50:54 PM

  18. If I were you guys I'd be emailing this dude about what he said when the issue of paedophilia came out.

    Nasty bigot.

    Posted by: Rowan | Jun 17, 2011 3:16:16 PM

  19. If the purpose of marriage is for the procreation of children, then a man and a woman who do not want children, but want to be married, should be denied the right to marry. And senior citizens, if they find someone to love, should not be allowed to marry beyond their child-bearing years. And sterile people should not be allowed to marry. But, better, the Catholic Church should realize they are in a democracy in America, not in a theocracy, and not everyone is an intolerant kind of Christian.

    Posted by: trees | Jun 17, 2011 3:29:14 PM

  20. A Catholic priest expressing an opinion on the subject of marriage makes no sense whatsoever. These men have no idea what they are talking about. I might start listening to them opine on marriage when they are allowed to get married themselves.

    What's next? Dolan conducts a lecture series for women on what childbirth feels like?

    Posted by: Azgaard | Jun 17, 2011 3:48:11 PM

  21. @Trees -- You covered my sentiments exactly. Procreation is not the basis for marriage -- except, perhaps, in so called "shotgun marriages" when love is not the motivating factor.

    Posted by: Joe in CT | Jun 17, 2011 4:51:15 PM

  22. When this last came up in Albany and the Orthodox Union got involved with lobbying Senators for No votes, I called them up and cancelled my membership and now when contacted by their various charities, I inform the callers, that because of their political actions I can no longer support them. Perhaps members of Dignity and gay friends who are K of C should take similar actions. Hit them in the pocketbook, that's where it hurts.

    Posted by: Bob | Jun 17, 2011 6:46:09 PM

  23. You and your "likings" are evil people -- and you pretend you are Christians.

    I left the church [Catholic Church] many, many years ago -- your bigotry and hatefulness is despicable.

    May she have mercy on your soul.

    Posted by: C Magnus | Jun 23, 2011 6:54:03 PM

  24. You are all a bunch of fools. Read the book before you criticize the holy followers." And even as they did not like to retain God in [their] knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; "

    "And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence [sic] of their error which was meet."

    Posted by: Readthebook | Jun 27, 2011 7:53:11 AM

  25. Read this with an open mind. If that's possible...

    Posted by: Mart. | Feb 14, 2012 7:51:26 PM

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