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  1. HadenoughBS says

    How, oh how, can you be both gay + GOPer? How can you support any current Rethuggist presidential candidate when none of them have YOUR best interests in mind?? How can you live with yourself by supporting a party, a platform, a candidate that would rather see you and others like you deep in the closet – out of sight and out of mind??? Conservative GOPer gays…as hard as I try, I just don’t get them.

  2. Tracy says

    $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ It’s all about the money. They don’t care if they are treated unequally, as long as they can protect their inheritances and bank accounts.

  3. TJ says

    So boys, when do you become men? When do you stop being your parents, and switch to being from them but your own person? When do you start, and stop, questioning? If you choose this for yourself, well, I guess it’s your business. But believing that your rights are unimportant and have less value; believing that you are less deserving of respect and equality, is worth questioning.

  4. says

    I’ve heard the phrase spoken by many Republican gays,

    “I feel more comfortable being gay around Republicans than I do being Republican around gays.”

    One only needs to read comments on threads like these to see why miopia is in the eye of the beholder.

    “It is worth noting, however, that none of these men showed support for the most anti-gay candidates … so clearly there is some LGBT interest afoot.” You write this condescendingly like expected them to be mentally retarded, but found out they weren’t.

  5. Frank says

    I’m not inclined to say that one cannot be both gay and conservative, but these guys just reflect some flawed logic.

    “I come from a farming family, so it’s conservative or Catholic.” What? There are no liberal Protestant farmers? How does he feel about moderate Episcopalians?

    “His [Ron Paul] views are more towards letting the people, which would be all of us, make the decisions to shape our country.” The gay Iowan who said this is somewhat accurate, at least when it comes to Mr. Paul, but I think he would change his tune about people power when the population centers on the coasts – i.e. where most Americans live – start insisting that all Americans, even conservative gay Iowans, live by their values and social mores.

    In the end, these guys reflect a socially myopic view that only sees the world from their very limited vantage point. Of course, I could be wrong and they could have traveled the world and immersed themselves in other cultures and ideas in order to broaden their perspective – but I’d bet they haven’t.

  6. Strepsi says

    There’s a huge difference between saying “I vote for this person simply because they want same-sex marriage” and saying “I vote for this person even though they want to destroy my family, impose their religion on my freedom of religion, and negate my civil rights.”
    And those are just the national party platforms!

    Boys, NONE of the candidates (save perhaps Romney) are constitutional originalists, as they want to CHANGE the constitution to make new laws (or preserve laws like DOMA) that are unConstitutional!

    FInally, I do not get the “Way I was raised” argument — you can not say that and be gay. You can not.
    If you want to act the way you were raised, then repent, marry a woman or become a celibate priest.

    You can not have your cake (or c*ck) and eat it too.

  7. says

    These guys need to grow up. Just because you born on a farm, come from a religious family, or from a family that votes Republican doesn’t mean you have to act like a robot and vote for a candidate whose political party would sentence you to jail or prison if given the chance.

  8. Fred says

    I have no doubt the church impacted the view of these young men, considerably.

    The farmers I know, both gay and str8, all care deeply about global warming, health care, fiscal prudence, as well as equal rights. The only republican farmers I know are those who own or manage large corporate type farms and who care less about the land they pollute through excessive runoff and running family farms off the map than the money they can make.

    Iowa has many wonderful sensible people, both gay and str8, hopefully Chris Johnson was able to find and interview them, too.

  9. Andalusian Dog says

    Boys: you are never going to make your parents or your communities happy. Stop trying.

    And if you do truly believe in Republican principles…well, there’s nothing nice to write here, so I’ll let you fill in the blank. (Hint: it’s about your intellect and your moral fiber.)

  10. Toutwest says

    It can be very draining to know that some of our worst enemies end up being gay people. These are five perfect examples. Their reasons for selecting their candidates are selfish at best. Grow up and follow your own convictions, not your parents.

  11. Chris says

    Towleroad readers are self-selected for their homosexuality being of great importance to them.

    There are lots of gay people out there for whom being gay is not the 1st or 2nd or even 3rd most-important aspect of their lives.

    That some Republican candidates are appealing to folks for whom being gay is not the most-important thing in their lives, should come as no surprise, and should not cause consternation.

  12. Paul says

    “Peterson said he wouldn’t support a candidate who would make social issues a ‘central tenet of their campaign.’

    ‘I’m a Republican, but I’m not stupid,’ Peterson said. ‘If they want to use those issues as a wedge to get voters to support them, I’m not really attracted to that.'”

    Bless. Your. Little. Uneducated. Heart.

    You see, it doesn’t matter if President Romney would jump up and down and clap his hands while signing anti-gay bills like Santorum or Bachmann would… the ink on the bill is the ink on the bill. A law is a law. They’d sign it; they’d enforce it.

    They truly don’t understand how government works. And if I hear one more person say that Ron Paul is a constitutional originalist, I’m going to dust off my Con Law book and beat them about the head with it.

  13. Paul R says

    I managed to become a huge liberal despite having Republican parents, and since then two of my four brothers have too. The other two don’t vote, which is probably for the best…

    And even my parents have been volunteering for more liberal causes, such as protesting/arguing for more humane rules for the inmates they tutor at the local women’s prison. Most of whom suffered sexual abuse or were used as patsies by their boyfriends in drug deals. I don’t think that 15-20 years ago they would have agreed that the US justice system is racist. They do now.

    My point is, your upbringing means nothing in these matters. Think for yourself.

  14. AG says

    Gay leftists at towleroad never disappoint. How do you go through the day being so hateful and intolerant? These threads are the worst anti-gay propaganda out there.

  15. Akula says

    It always fascinates me when I hear anyone thats not a multi-millionare say that they have more in common with the republican platform. So they believe in shipping jobs overseas trashing our enviroment hooking up huge corporations and screwing over the average person on the street? Because no matter what the repubs say when it all gets boiled down to it unless your shoving huge sums of cash in their pockets they really don’t care about you.

  16. RyanInSacto says

    It think what bugs me the most about these people is that they are enjoying the rights that were made possible by the work of liberals and they don’t seem to comprehend or appreciate that. Conservatives have not, in any way, been at the forefront of the LGBT equality movement. If not for liberals, these gay Republicans wouldn’t be able to live openly and enjoy the rights (even if they are incomplete, thus far) that they do.

    If they feel more comfortable being gay around Republicans than being Republican around gays, I think that’s for a good reason. Namely, LGBT activists have worked for decades to create space for gay people. Republicans, almost without exception, have opposed such progress. It is therefore understandable that most gay people would be unfriendly to gay Republicans. And maybe, just maybe, gay Republicans sense that there’s something dissonant about being gay and Republican.

  17. RyanInSacto says

    @AG: You have a broad definition of “propaganda.” It’s a comment thread. You came here to read it. Why volunteer to read “propaganda?”

    As for the “intolerant” stuff, why yes! I am completely intolerant of anyone who is intolerant of me! I will not unilaterally disarm so that I can claim some sort of tolerance prize. But I think you know that… this is just a talking point. “Gays are so intolerant. They don’t tolerate the views of people who say they are same as dog f*ckers.”

  18. George M says

    One said he doesn’t know if its because he lives in Iowa and Iowa has marriage he feels it’s enough. That’s a young man’s response, they all have a lot of growing up to do and I hope they do it outside Iowa. It’s easy to forget that you lose that right the minute you leave the state. But saying its enough basically screws the rest who don’t have that right.
    I have a financial future not just a romantic future again shows age. They get what they vote for. ENDA and safe schools are very important, I’d like to know what they all think about marriage and what their families think about it since they shaped them.

    The republicans are incapable of not talking about social issues, these guys are getting talking points from LCR. Social issues will come up, always do.

    Lip service coment LOL
    It’s amazing to me, I’ll state again maybe these guys will read it. Had the republican (their side) not required 60 votes the Democrats could have passed it with out republican help. It’s great a few republican voted for it but… Yeah. I wonder what Romney would do with a DADT repeal bill on his desk

  19. Nat says

    “There are lots of gay people out there for whom being gay is not the 1st or 2nd or even 3rd most-important aspect of their lives.”

    I don’t think most gay people want their sexual identity to be the most important aspect of their lives. But it’s more or less forced to be that because their relatives, peers, or society make a big deal of it. It would be hard for anyone to live a quiet, uneventful life when the threat of ostracization, imprisonment, or death is just around the corner because of that one marginal aspect of our identity.

    The day that ‘gay’ stops mattering so much is the day that it doesn’t matter to other people.

    “That some Republican candidates are appealing to folks for whom being gay is not the most-important thing in their lives, should come as no surprise, and should not cause consternation.”

    Not one of the interviewed comes off as a rational actor exercising a deliberate choice: they’re not expressing cogent views on tax policies, labour policies, the environment, or social organization, they’re reaffirming their tribal affiliation because of their family/religion. And that’s all the more glaring, because both Christianity and Conservatism ostensibly emphasize the value of free will in determining the quality of our lives.

    The actual reality is different, of course, but that merely confirms how frequently divorced our actual beliefs are from what we think they are.

  20. Chris says

    @ AKULA:
    Granted, politics is filthy…all about power and money…Dems want bigger Gov’t and more control over our lives…just like Republicans.

    But your economic argument is false. A Job should be done by whomever can do it most effectively.

    As wages and cost-of-living increase in developing economies, American workers are becoming more and more competitive. Jobs are coming back to America.

    What we need is a massive and ongoing training/retraining program.

    Look what Rahm Emanuel is doing in Chicago…re-gearing community colleges to work with businesses to train American workers for semi-skilled jobs which would otherwise either go un-filled, or would be shipped overseas.

    It helps NO ONE to force US companies to do anything uneconomic.

    Where trade is not fair (foreign manufacturers gain an advantage from weaker environmental regulations), we need to level the trade playing field.

    But fair trade (in goods, resources, labor, etc.) is good trade. More fair trade lifts everyone’s standards of living…it’s NOT a zero-sum game.

  21. Strepsi says

    @ CHRIS — yes, it does cause consternation. Because although my sexuality is not my top election priority, nor is it all encompassing, that STILL should not make me self-destructive enough to vote for people who would actually harm me BECAUSE of specifically that “unimportant” sexuality.

  22. Chris says

    @ NAT:
    I basically agree with you…but I’d say the day is fast approaching when being gay is NOT a big deal.

    Who’s looking to imprison or kill us? You’re being overly-dramatic.

    Consider Republican candidates are pandering to the right-wing-nuts in Iowa…most candidates don’t REALLY feel the way they’re talking.

    If Romney becomes President, as long as right-wing-nuts don’t co-opt his Administration, I think he’ll focus on solving our economic and other problems, and there’s a good chance he’ll leave social issues alone, or at-least not work to reverse our gains.

    Look what he did in Massachusetts. Look which issues he focused on…and which issues he compromised on in order to advance his agenda. He’s not all that scary.

  23. kpo5 says

    They’re young. Give them 10 more years of realization where they get to see what laws like DOMA really do to them and they’ll flip their votes. They’re probably college students who don’t pay taxes besides their holiday work at Abercrombie, so they don’t see how different the tax structure is for gay couples (even married ones in Iowa). They don’t worry about health issues and hospital visits. They don’t think about death and estate taxes.

    I was a 21-year old gay “Republican” too, mostly because Mommy and Daddy taught me so. For me, it took falling in love and marrying a non-citizen to realize, “Yep, I really am a second-class citizen.”

    Are there more important issues in this country than equality and justice for all? Absolutely not. In fact, it’s selfish to desire personal wealth over the well-being of an entire segment of the population (GOProud – bastards have use the word “Proud” despite their obvious lack of Pride). Let’s not kid ourselves – it’s not about the “bigger” problems our country faces, it’s about a bigger wallet for the individual.

  24. RyanInSacto says

    @KPO5: Well said. I, too, am tired of hearing that gay people should de-prioritize equality because it’s just not that important compared to X, Y, and Z. We know what happens when we de-prioritize the fight for equality… we slide backwards.

  25. Nat says

    “Who’s looking to imprison or kill us? You’re being overly-dramatic.”

    Not really. Recent improvements are just that – recent improvements. A large percentage of gays lived in an era where they could be imprisoned, or killed, if they were too overt with their sexuality. There thousands of homeless LGBT youth on the street, right now, in cities across America, because their families and communities won’t accept them. Gay youths commit suicide in far higher rates in no small part due to unrelenting bullying and societal rejection.

    Comparative improvements are nice, but the historical memory for most gays for now will be marginalization the likes of which most straight people don’t experience.

    “Consider Republican candidates are pandering to the right-wing-nuts in Iowa…most candidates don’t REALLY feel the way they’re talking.”

    No doubt. But a) Obama has long been attacked by gay liberals and conservatives for not supporting gay marriage; hence to conservatives, being akin to someone like Romney, when it’s clear that he’s merely pandering to socially conservative Democratic voters. Letting the Republican candidates off the hook while castigating Obama for the same political cynicism is intellectually inconsistent.

    And b) the sheer anti-gay vitriol of the Republican base is proof positive that the party is no place for any gay person, even if they are conservative. The fact that candidates have to pander to such extremes – where no civil rights, at all, would be recognized says something.

    And there are several Republican candidates who clearly do believe the worst about gays, or at least gays who don’t vote their way.

    “If Romney becomes President, as long as right-wing-nuts don’t co-opt his Administration, I think he’ll focus on solving our economic and other problems, and there’s a good chance he’ll leave social issues alone, or at-least not work to reverse our gains.”

    That simply isn’t an acceptable outcome. I am not interested in passive antipathy from the executive for 4-8 years. If Republicans control Congress, there will be no federal advances until they don’t control Congress.

    “Look what he did in Massachusetts. Look which issues he focused on…and which issues he compromised on in order to advance his agenda. He’s not all that scary.”

    Yes, a Republican in one of the most traditionally Democratic parts of the country was forced to compromise. A Republican executive paired with a Republican congress and an American population that is generally conservative is not a recipe for compromise, it’s a recipe for regression, or, at the very least, arrested development.

  26. redball says

    “That some Republican candidates are appealing to folks for whom being gay is not the most-important thing in their lives, should come as no surprise, and should not cause consternation.”

    You’re right about not being surprised but you’re dead wrong (pun intended) about not having consternation in the sense of dismay not amazement.

  27. Bart says

    Living lives like these are akin to being brainwashed for your entire life. It’s hard to blame these young men, they don’t know any different and are probably used to being second class and hiding, it’s their way of life. It’s a hostage situation that they’ve been in all their lives and it’s okay with them because there is no other frame of reference.

    It’s sad really. Because they think that we all think that our gay rights are our one and only priority (why else would you say it’s not your #1, #2, or even #3 priority?) It’s not but for these kids the bigger picture is elusive because they don’t live the bigger picture. They live a small life. It’s not a sin or a crime, it just is.

  28. says

    They may still be under the religious brainwashing of their parents now, while they’re in their early 20s (time to think for yourselves, boys) and can speak in vague misinformed generalities about why they like certain candidates like Paul or Romney, but wait a few years as they watch Republicans in IA attempt to overturn marriage equality there (equality that was based on your Constitution, boys) and attempt to stall and set back all progress on lgbt rights. If you’re voting for someone who disrespects your fundamental humanity (the vast majority of Republicans running for office now), you’re voting against your fundamental humanity.

  29. jason says

    I’m glad that there are some gay men who look beyond “gay rights” when considering a candidate. We’re voting for President of the country, and not the person who successfully panders to us the most.

    Of course, that doesn’t mean that we ignore a candidate’s attitude to gay people. It is part of the overall package, after all. But we shouldn’t let the level of pandering to us to be the main determinant of our vote. It simply encourages further pandering and, in Obama’s case, dishonest statements aimed at us that are designed to win our votes.

  30. major707 says

    Some boys in Iowa have not been paying attention.

    I especially like Nat’s comment: “There are lots of gay people out there for whom being gay is not the 1st or 2nd or even 3rd most-important aspect of their lives.” But to most of the gang of Republicans running for President it IS the most important thing to them about who you are!

    Just returned from Poland and Auschwitz/Birkenau where an entire nation was duped into accepting that if you were different you didn’t deserve to have a life. There are many similar assumptions floating around today regarding “gays”. If we are not diligent it can happen again and to us.

  31. George M says

    I guess what you see as pandering others see as real. What you think the president does is not what I think or others. I conceder the glass half full and am not willing to try another glass at this point in my life. But your right people will take what they want from it and do what they will. I think people underestimate the power of the religious right when a republican is in office. I’d rather have Paul win then any other republican, at least he just doesn’t care. Again I would encourage them to live alittle out side Iowa for awhile, life can be a real eye opener

  32. Rob says

    They’re traitors. Plain and simple. If a black person was voting for a candidate who supported stripping blacks of their rights because that voter felt their “personal views are more reflected in the [this] candidate,” they would be called CRAZY! It’s that simple.

  33. Chicklets says

    Oh boys grow a pair. The whole “I come from a conservative family so thats why im a gay republican” is a tired excuse. GROW UP! The republicans dont care about you and your catholic church thinks you’re gonna burn in hell. Stockholm Syndrome?!

  34. Rick says

    “Towleroad readers are self-selected for their homosexuality being of great importance to them.

    There are lots of gay people out there for whom being gay is not the 1st or 2nd or even 3rd most-important aspect of their lives.

    That some Republican candidates are appealing to folks for whom being gay is not the most-important thing in their lives, should come as no surprise, and should not cause consternation.”

    Bingo, Chris. And I would add that the real battle in society is a cultural one, not a political one. Most gay people don’t care about getting married, are (rightly) skeptical that anti-discrimination laws will make any difference in their lives at work or anywhere else, and will never be the victim of a hate crime or want to join the military.

    The whole gay political agenda is therefore, if not totally irrelevant to them, of decidedly secondary, if not tertiary importance.

    Furthermore, if the culture is changed to make it non-homophobic, none of these political issues will even exist–the laws proposed would either not be necessary or would face little opposition.

    But unfortunately, what many of these guys see when they look at gay activists these days is a bunch of Far Left extremists who instead of being focused on the eradication of homophobia in society, pursue an often bizarre and unrealizable agenda of trying to destroy standards of masculinity, promote gender-bending and radical feminism, and promote general non-conformity to ALL societal standards of behavior…..in addition to being, on a personal level, generally rather obnoxious, hostile people who objectify men and worship women and are unlikely ever to be your friend…….

    So is it any wonder they take the path that they do?

    And I say that as a tree-hugging, raise-taxes-on-the-wealthy, anti-US-imperialism, vegetarian, animal rights activist……despite what my image on this site may be.

  35. Chris says

    @ ROB:
    They’re not traitors. Immature maybe. Not forming their opinions – definitely. But traitors? No.

    It’s more nuanced than you propose. While the right-wind-nuts might strip our rights, I doubt Romney, for instance, will strip our rights.

    Can’t anyone see nuance, and shades of grey? It’s not all black-and-white.

    I do agree with @ NAT that we need to maintain a Democrat Senate if Romney (or any Republican) is elected, as a balance, to ensure right-wing-nuts don’t ram through social conservatism.

  36. Rick says

    “Not one of the interviewed comes off as a rational actor exercising a deliberate choice: they’re not expressing cogent views on tax policies, labour policies, the environment, or social organization, they’re reaffirming their tribal affiliation because of their family/religion”

    Which is another way of saying that their families and the people in their communities mean more to them and are more dependable sources of emotional support at the individual level, EVEN IF they are homophobic at an ideological level…..and a much greater and more dependable source of emotional support than other gay people are.

    And I would have to guess that that is a very common experience for many of us.

    Most gay men’s experience of other gay men is, on balance, pretty negative, I suspect. Gay men in general treat each other pretty badly…..and always have. Deep emotional connections are rare and close frienships among gay men are as rare as they are among straight men, if not moreso. Sexual objectification is the norm and one becomes a social non-entity by one’s mid-40’s as one’s physical attractiveness fades….and God help you if you were never that attractive to begin with.

    Not a very dependable source of emotional sustenance at all……certainly not compared to one’s family or members of one’s church and the like…….

    That is most likely what is going on here…..

  37. mk_ultra_again says

    I thibk that some original true aspectz of republicanism would be good for the country. None of the republican candidates for the primary represent that. They all represent some bizarre, far right, fundamentalist religion and exclusively corporate agenda. Pretty much fascism – government, religion and corporation – all together in an unholy trinity. Paul has tried to market himself differently but he is still the same or worse ubderneath – a grand ol boy, if you will.

  38. Chris says

    @ GEORGE M:
    Look at Romney’s past performance as Governor. He compromised with liberals and enacted universal healthcare. He was very moderate.

    Has he changed? Or is he pandering to the right-wing-nuts to get the Republican nomination?

    If he gets the nomination, he’ll run against Obama as a centrist, and, if he wins, I’m hoping he governs as a centrist…fixing the economy which would benefit everyone…and leaving divisive issues alone.

    Romney is NOT my pick. I’ll probably vote for Gary Johnson (who favors full equality for gays, including gay marriage…and will fix the economy, our immoral drug war, and much more).

    I’ll vote for Obama only to prevent someone really horrible (like Santorum / Perry / Bachman) from winning.

    Obama has done well on gay rights, but he’s slowly ruining our competitiveness, and I worry that, after another 4 years of Obama, we’ll face a much tougher climb out of our fiscal mess.

  39. Chris says

    To reinforce my point about Gary Johnson…read this article in the San Francisco Chronicle yesterday:

    Summary:
    The ACLU rated Presidential candidates and Obama.

    It gave highest ranking to Gary Johnson, followed by Ron Paul then Obama.

    I’m not crazy…Gary Johnson is our guy!

  40. Leonard says

    “Look at Romney’s past performance as Governor. He compromised with liberals and enacted universal healthcare. He was very moderate.”

    And he’s done all he can to distance himself from those “compromises.” It’s a dirty word for him and his campaign.

    “Has he changed? Or is he pandering to the right-wing-nuts to get the Republican nomination?”

    And what do you think will happen to the far-right wing once he wins? That they’ll accept he’s now something he never ran as, a centrist? Or will they continue to pressure him and he will continue to pander to them? I think the latter is more likely to happen on planet Earth.

  41. Redebbm says

    I’m all for our community having a diversity of political opinions, but when it comes to it there really is no reason to have the Republican point of view? Do they care about the homeless LGBT youth that make up a majority of homeless youth? No they want to cut programs for them. They consider homeless lazy and don’t care if they were kicked out. Did they support medical research for HIV? No and some part of conservatism still assert its a gay disease. The republicans are everyone for themselves, so no protections for gay soldiers, workers, home buyers, and couples. We barely got home buying and soldier protections but a good chunk of conservatism and Republicans still are against it. You can still be fired for being gay, which political ideology is for that? We don’t have universal healthcare and fair elections like other countries and we are used as a wedge issue. So while i appreciate your gay conservative opinions. Why do you have them again? Unless your extremely wealthy or are ultra conservative i just don’t see the rational anymore. At least you can’t say your pro-gay just because you are gay and Republican without inconsistencies.

  42. ggreen says

    I have met some of these folks and reason/reality isn’t their strong suit. Many would gladly lose their family farms, let their family go hungry and would happily vote to ship thousands of American manufacturing jobs overseas. If it meant some one they don’t know couldn’t have a legal abortion, or some brown person was unable to own anything better than they have.

  43. TJ says

    You know, being gay is rarely the first, second, or third most important thing about me, either. I have a life, not a “lifestyle,” whatever that is “supposed” to be with regard to being gay. However, it is the social conservatives who seem bound and determined to make it the most important, detrimental, must-be-dealt-with-or-we-are-doomed issue facing America today. Their desire to deprive me of and limit rights, and deny me respect, is what makes being gay a very important thing about me. I am not damaged goods. I am not a threat to society. I deserve and demand my rights. Republican social conservatives dont think so, and want the power to codify second-class status. What does it profit a man to gain the world (or just his own, well-protected part of it) and lose his soul, and his humanity, and his dignity?

    Oh, and as an aside, just because I look pretty Average Joe, it doesn’t mean that someone who flames as bright and hot as Liberace’s candelabra deserves less, or is setting anyone back.

    Clearly, He Who Should Not Be Read (aka RICK) has ticked me off, once again. Especially when he spouted off about preferring family (who may not respect or accept you) because gay men suck (and not in the good way). He paints the world with the widest brush of Ignorant I have ever seen. And he must be so lonely.

  44. Mark says

    My take is that they are scared to be different and claiming you’re a conservative makes them less scary to conservatives (i.e., everyone they know and meet). It also makes them appear less faggy I guess. Anyway their arguments are preposterous so it’s emotions or loins doing the talking. There is something hot about a conservative man – like say Perry. They’re just into controlling daddies. If they have more sex partners they’ll learn that the republican daddy types are rarely good in bed.

  45. George M says

    Thanks Chris, I’ll read I will
    I just can’t see throwing a vote to someone who can not win. His party is only on I think 12 states ( I could be wrong on that) IDK I’m not willing (at this point) to chance a Romney win.
    Side note, I’m not sure I’m against the war on drugs, just my feel.

    TJ, it’s all about woman, feminine men and lesbians, you can’t win with him.

  46. jason says

    Note to Andrew Belonsky and others,

    A person called 2ndDivisionVet has linked to this article on the Far Right website called Free Republic. Free Republic is a website that is popular with Right-Wing male perverts who frequently make homophobic comments. You can read some of them on the link that I’m providing below.

    Free Republic is popular with Right-Wing males with hemorrhoids who stick their fingers up their behinds to see what it feels like. Just be aware of this.

    Anyway, here’s the link:

    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-gop/2828367/posts

  47. nope says

    I rejected my mid-western, conservative, religious hypocritical family traditions by the time I was 15. All it takes is to open your eyes, open your mind and have some self respect. The excuse that they are so ‘young’ and can’t be expected to know better just doesn’t fly. As someone said above, if they were black and supporting a white supremacist for President NO ONE would come to their defense. Why don’t self-hating gay Republicans get the same universal condemnation. And why aren’t they as rare as black KKK members? It doesn’t make any sense.

  48. TJ says

    GEORGE M – I know only too well with that one. RICCO wrote a brilliant comment on the Sen. Cantor thread about what one may be expected to give up in order to be accepted, and he beautifully challenged the fairness of the paradigm. I appreciate only too well the stress associated with having to choose between family and self with regard to sexuality (presented on it in grad school), and would not judge a person for making the choice. However, I feel there needs to be, for some, a paradigm shift. Who is it that is asking for the unreasonable, when it comes to sacrifice? The family member who is gay, and deserves respect? Or, the family that would ask for a a member to accept less for his or herself, in order to not rock the boat and be “selfish?” What sort of family do you have if your family does not love you unconditionally?

  49. jamal49 says

    @CHRIS: Your logic reeks so badly I can smell all the way up to NYC. Um, let’s correct the record, kid. It’s not being “gay” that is 1st, 2nd or 3rd in importance to me. It is being human and being respected and accepted as such that is 1st, 2nd or 3rd in importance to me. Part of that humanity is my God-given attraction (emotional, sexual, spiritual) to people of the same sex as I. It only becomes an issue when bigoted christofacists and pea-brained “social conservatives” continue to foster hatred against me and my people that leads to violence, discrimination, and the denial of my right to be treated as an equal in my own country. Get hip to that fact before you mouth off with your inanities. Oh, and by the way, THIS queer refuses to accept an enforced 2nd-class status. Period. And I am willing to resort to kicking christo-fascist, socially-conservative ass from here clear into next week to emphasize that point.

  50. uffda says

    Little Kiwi where are you? He must be tired today after all his fisticuffs on Monday. But if he were here we know who he’d be fighting with: Rick, Chris, Jason et al. Instead he may have gone straight down to Iowa to grab those spawn of Republican parents and slash them like a vampire. No one could do it better. He needs his rest though.

  51. chasmader says

    What’s not mentioned in the article is how much each of their families are making off of USDA price supports. I bet the number is higher than you might imagine (think ethanol)

  52. matt says

    “Most gay men’s experience of other gay men is, on balance, pretty negative, I suspect. Gay men in general treat each other pretty badly…..and always have. Deep emotional connections are rare and close frienships among gay men are as rare as they are among straight men, if not moreso. Sexual objectification is the norm and one becomes a social non-entity by one’s mid-40’s as one’s physical attractiveness fades….and God help you if you were never that attractive to begin with.”

    This would be a spot on assertion if 100% of your personal experience with gay men was from clubs specifically catered to the early 20s crowd. The gay community is insanely diverse and the people you just described are a tiny, tiny part of it. I especially love the part about becoming a social non-entity, do the other gay men just disappear at age 40? There are just as many gay men in their 40s as there are young guys, there’s no reason you can’t have just as much of a social life as a young guy, it’s just gonna be centered around other people your age. Finally, in my experience I see MORE close friendships in my gay friends than the straight ones.

  53. matt says

    “Bingo, Chris. And I would add that the real battle in society is a cultural one, not a political one. Most gay people don’t care about getting married, are (rightly) skeptical that anti-discrimination laws will make any difference in their lives at work or anywhere else, and will never be the victim of a hate crime or want to join the military.

    The whole gay political agenda is therefore, if not totally irrelevant to them, of decidedly secondary, if not tertiary importance.”

    The political and cultural issues are closely tied, do you really think something such as gay marriage passing in New York or DADT ending doesn’t have an effect on the culture?

    There’s a reason why the extreme anti-gay folks focus so much on politics, it’s the only arena outside of the church where they still have any cultural power. Having political power gives your movement and viewpoint legitimacy, the political victories the gay community has had have had a large part in fostering acceptance in our culture. Sure we’ve managed to come to the point where for many gay men discrimination is not a big problem, but why stop and become complacent now after fighting for so long and making so much progress?

  54. says

    “my family is republicans, and if i don’t votes republicans with them then they won’t tolerate me for being gay. its the only way they’ll let me sit at the big kid’s table at dinner”

    we know. it’s textbook. thanks for playing.

  55. says

    “That some Republican candidates are appealing to folks for whom being gay is not the most-important thing in their lives, should come as no surprise, and should not cause consternation.”

    Translation: some gay people are only tolerated by their families if they downplay, compartmentalize, edit, censor and whitewash their being gay. they have to pretend that being gay is “no big deal” because the minute they stand up for themselves AS gay men their families reject them.

    this is why you get gay conservatives saying “being gay isn’t a big deal”

    yes it is, Mary. it’s such a big deal that you have to insist that it’s not a big deal. it’s actually ONLY a big deal to gay conservatives. us gay liberals with our liberal families are the ones who don’t have to apologize for being gay in order to be tolerated.

    but enjoy your self-imposed prisons, gay cons. keep compartmentalizing your gayness. keep saying it’s no big deal. it’s your own life to waste 😀

  56. Inis says

    A Snapshot Of Iowa’s Gay Conservative Voters:

    I’m a sinner and doomed to hell. So, therefore, I want a President that’s going to take away as many of my rights as possible so I can live the dreary, lonely life that God punishes me to have. That’s the President I deserve because I hate myself.

  57. Dereck says

    Hello Everyone.
    I am Dereck Plagmann from the article. I can see most of you are assuming and jumping the gun by saying who we are. Let me tell you about us since you most of you got it wrong. While I can’t speak for everyone we all live in Des Moines Iowa. Out of the 5 of us interview 4 of us work for either financial institutions or insurance companies. I myself work for a Mutual insurance company. All of us are age 21-22. We all are gay men and we are very proud of the fact. We are not afraid to stand up for our selves or we believe in.

    Here is where I can’t speak for the others. No I am no influenced by a church or parents. In fact I haven’t talked to my parents once about this election. I will never call myself a republican neither would I call my self democrat. I feel by doing so all I’m obligated to do is blame the other side. When I much rather just be fixing the issue. You can say how immature I am or call me a traitor to the gay community. A community in which I’m very involved in, and love seeing it expand and take a step forward. While yes I do not see gay marriage expanding as the biggest issue. It is a very important issue to me. I want a strong country here for people in future. One that people can be proud of again. Some look at my reasoning as selfish, some selfless. You view have to have some give other wise your going to be stuck one direction forever and miss everything. You have to learn to take an opportunity to learn and take that detour. You never know what might be discovered.

    As for my personal pick it would be Ron Paul. Romney also being an option if Paul isn’t. I feel that these two can lead this country the correct way. I’m very behind Dr. Paul and his fight for the constitution. Any of you who haven’t ACTUALLY looked into this should. It’s what made us into the country we are. I think we have lost focus of this. I agree with his stance on lowering taxes and for the American people not having to pay for all of Washington’s B.S. spending. He has been consistent in his voting in congress and with what he says will happen to the economy, not only consistent but correct. As for his stance on gay marriage. While no, he hasn’t come out to support it. He can’t, he is running for the Republican Party and could lose too many votes. He is a very blue republican also he’s a libertarian but we know that doesn’t win the race. His stance is that it gay or straight marriage its self should not be a federal issue. He has not once signed DOMA and has voted to repeal DADT. While no I believe he’s not exactly pro-gay marriage. He is a 75yr old man. We don’t expect this generation to be the most accepting. While it not a huge leap forward in the gay community its not a step back. Instead it would be a huge leap forward in the economic recovery.

    I’m sorry I know I missed a lot of points but I didn’t have a whole lot of time. I’m not mad at any of you for calling me a traitor, hypocrite, immature, or what ever you want. I am bigger than words and I hope most of you are to. I just ask that maybe think about others perspective on such matters and don’t assume them. We are ALL in this world together.

  58. says

    Thank you, Dereck, for proving all of us right. Keep telling yourself that. Whatever you need to convince yourself of in order to get through the daily struggle that it is to be you.

    By all means, continue to champion Ron Paul. And you parents will continue to not champion you, as their son, being a person worthy of Equality in America.

    You’re not exactly a traitor or a hypocrite, just a sad little white homosexual who hopes siding with the right will get his anti-gay family off of his back. best of luck with that, sugar.

  59. APJ says

    All 5 of them in the entire state.
    All seemingly white men.

    Let’s get real. Conservative and gay means that you are either self-loathing or greedy. Perhaps both.

  60. George M says

    Thanks for the response (if it’s really you)
    Some of it was over board but age is a factor. It’s easy to see your life in Iowa as being great when it comes to rights and tolerance but it is not that way in all states. Having enough screw you money in the bank (from LCR TX) doesn’t always fix everything. If I had to pic a republican (I pray I don’t) it to would be Paul. Romney may be able to balance a check book but his willingness to sign a ban on marriage is a no go for me. If that makes me selfish then so be it. There are Many things I wish Obama did better but who I am as a gay man does matter. But over all you have a point, we all look at things differently and if Paul fits most or all your views then he’s the one for you, Obama fits most of my beliefs including gay rights.

  61. says

    exactly, APJ. more gay white men who are sucking up to not only anti-gay parents, but racist ones.

    word.

    Oh Mitt Romney….who’s worth 200 million dollars. and oppose the “death tax” that would only leave 110 million dollars to be divided amongst his vile mormon children.

    because a fiscal conservative knows that 110 million dollars is not NEARLY enough to pass on to children…right? wait, what’s that? it’s more than enough? he’s just a greedy money-hungry white man who pretends to be “of the people” when he lives in a white-gated world? well, i knew that. tell that to the dumb-as-dirt farm folks who support him anyway….

  62. Akula says

    Sorry Chris but it is a zero sum game but we are not the players here its the politicians and the corporations who own them. Noone is telling a corporation what to do, they are making the rules and screw anyone else, thats why the tax loopholes will never be closed because it benifits them. They can send all the jobs they like overseas and reap the rewards of lower cost and still sell high in the states.

  63. Dereck says

    I feel like some of you didn’t read my comment even. I don’t know why pointing out the fact that I’m “white” has to do with anything. Because that actually, seems like something like race should not be a big deal. In fact it seems more like a step back. I’m not sure what happen to some of you, who screwed you over, what rubbed you wrong in life and I won’t pretend to. None of you know my family and to sit here and act like you do is kind of disrespectful. They don’t direct my life; they don’t influence political, religious, or social beliefs. I don’t even live near them. Yes I am lucky to have what I have in my life and here in Iowa. But I don’t take it lightly. What many of you may not be aware is that we keep getting on the verge of losing the right to marry. Much of which is due to Bob Vander Plaats. Who supports Rick Santorum, who I am very against. Vander Plaats is very against Romney and Paul though.

    If this where an election year with new nominees for both parties I would probably be leaning towards a democratic candidate. Not saying 100%, but I probably would. Unfortunately its not and I have the GOP vs. Obama. Don’t get me wrong I don’t hate Obama. He has done an okay job as president but there is plenty that is questionable. I don’t feel he was ready to be president. As I said in my interview I said that I didn’t know for sure, when it comes to the actual election, who I would vote for. I will how ever do my best to keep Perry, Santorum, Newt, and Bachmann (who’s done already) out of office. I personal like Dr. Paul as I know many of you do not.

    I’m not here to influence your beliefs or views. I haven’t really set an expectation for you to care about me. All I ask one again is to stop judging. Judging another person off such little information makes you no better then the people you hate.

    -Dereck P (and yes it really is me)

  64. George M says

    I’m glad you dont take it lightly, and yeah I’m aware that you could lose marriage with a few elected republicans. If the dems lose the state senate the first thing they would do is start the process to eliminate it. Here in ct in 2008 we had a constitution convention ballot up for vote. We do it different in ct. We can’t vote on overturning the general assembly and 99.5% of the time thank God. Every 10 or 15 years this comes up for a vote (not sure on how many years) and it would allow people to vote on laws if the majority of people voted yes on the convention. Gay marriage was one being floated around. 60% said no so it was safe. So I do know what that feels like just not as often as you do.
    I don’t think it has anything to do with you being white, what I ment is this. When you live in a state that does not offer what Iowa or ct does and you are confronted with the possibility of losing your job because of who you go home to or being reminded that your family is not equal when renting (had that happen) or your community come out strongly against you it does something to you. I love the things I’ve worked for, my house, my cars and other toys but after living out side ct and feeling all that it made gay rights issues, for me more important. It’s harder for me to look past those issues because I felt those issues. I meant young as in you probably haven’t lived outside the comfort zone, maybe you have. I don’t dislike you, I don’t know you but like I said before if Paul stands for what you hold true then vote that way. I know your not trying to gain votes here, for me Obama hold true to what I believe in.

  65. Bryan says

    I find it weird how one voter thinks it’s selfish to vote for a candidate over gay marriage, but doesn’t think it’s also selfish to give a vote to a candidate who might invalidate other gay people’s marriage?

    @Dereck: while I don’t agree with your stance, thanks for a thoughtful, well-written response.

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