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Three Lesbians Beat A Gay Man: Hate Crime?

4383208111_cd3362c1c4Here's what happened. A Caucasian gay dude in Boston was either entering or departing the Forest Hills T station. In the stairwell he bumped into, or was bumped into by, three African American lesbians. The ladies allege he said something racist to them; he alleges they used homophobic slurs against him. In any event, a scuffle ensued, and the man was severely beaten and left with a broken nose. He called the police. The ladies were arrested. The man claims he's the victim of a hate crime.

From The Boston Herald:

“My guess is that no sane jury would convict them under those circumstances, but what this really demonstrates is the idiocy of the hate-crime legislation,” said civil liberties lawyer Harvey Silverglate. “If you beat someone up, you’re guilty of assault and battery of a human being. Period. The idea of trying to break down human beings into categories is doomed to failure.”

The ACLU disagrees:

“Someone who is Jewish can be anti-Semitic,” said ACLU staff attorney Sarah Wunsch. “The mere fact that someone is a member of the same class doesn’t mean they could not be motivated by hatred for their very own group.”

After their arrest, the three women, all of whom are in their late teens or early 20's, were released on bails ranging from $100 - $500 -- low sums which, according to defense attorney C. Harold Krasnow, indicates the that the prosecution's case is "weak."

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  1. Was it Rick?

    Posted by: Rin | Feb 26, 2012 10:04:39 AM


  2. lol @ RIN

    Posted by: V-8 | Feb 26, 2012 10:11:15 AM


  3. The homophobic comments seem to be incidental and not the cause of the attack. He bumped into them, they attacked him and then they slung slurs at each other. It's for that reason that it shouldn't be classified as a hate crime

    Posted by: Steve | Feb 26, 2012 10:15:45 AM


  4. This assault is more likely racially motivated, than homophobic. But in any case, who cares? There are sufficient laws already in place to take these three "ladies" off the streets if they are properly enforced.

    Posted by: PuroScuro | Feb 26, 2012 10:26:41 AM


  5. Yeah. I'm finding it hard to believe that there are gangs of lesbians prowling the T stations of Boston, looking for gay men to kick the crap out of. More likely scenario: rudeness escalated to nasty words being flung escalated to blows.

    Grow up, adults.

    Posted by: Flopsy McHenry | Feb 26, 2012 10:49:48 AM


  6. This article is just more or less the very conservative Boston Herald attempting to unjustly question hate crime laws.

    Posted by: Steve | Feb 26, 2012 10:58:06 AM


  7. This is the same incident posted about a day or 2 ago, right? Wow, what are the chances that they'd all turn out to be gay?! That's kind of amazing, actually.

    Have gay men learned nothing? Our lesbian sisters are not afraid to throw a punch--don't piss'em off!

    Stupidly unfortunate incident all the way around...

    Posted by: jim | Feb 26, 2012 11:02:28 AM


  8. interesting and rare situation. i actually think this has more to do with sexism, racism and alcohol, possibly robbery as a motive. and probably nothing at all to do with sexuality

    Posted by: DanSwon | Feb 26, 2012 11:06:18 AM


  9. Hmmm. Were the 3 ladies "lesbians" before they were arrested for beating a gay man and lawyered up?

    Posted by: MarkUs | Feb 26, 2012 11:22:31 AM


  10. @Danswan. Are you implying that the white gay guy wanted to rob the three black lesbians? Good to see you breaking away from potential racist stereotypes

    Posted by: Nick Name | Feb 26, 2012 11:24:41 AM


  11. MarkUs: Take a look at the article, and the accompanying pics. Pretty sure these ladies have been lesbians a good, long while. - BKT

    Posted by: Brandon K. Thorp | Feb 26, 2012 11:25:31 AM


  12. @Markus, in Jamaica Plain? Probably.

    Posted by: NaughtyLola | Feb 26, 2012 11:26:46 AM


  13. @NICK NAME - they stole his backpack so you can save your smarmy sarcasm

    Posted by: DanSwon | Feb 26, 2012 11:32:24 AM


  14. @ Nick Name - go back and read the previous reports on this. The women actually did rob him. Therefore one can believe robbery was a motivation without it being based on racist stereotypes.

    Posted by: boywonder3919 | Feb 26, 2012 11:44:43 AM


  15. There seems to be an epidemic of blacks attacking gays, but we can't talk about it. Political correctness trumps our safety.

    Posted by: Max | Feb 26, 2012 11:51:38 AM


  16. At the risk of being flamed, I will admit I am intimidated if not scared by groups of rowdy lesbians.

    Posted by: @z0mKi | Feb 26, 2012 11:58:06 AM


  17. Good Luck getting any semblance of a fair trial or conviction in Suffolk Co.

    Posted by: aj | Feb 26, 2012 12:05:44 PM


  18. I'm there with ya @ZOMKI

    Posted by: David in NYC | Feb 26, 2012 12:11:18 PM


  19. Oh yeah, black-on-gay attacks are just running fast and furious. So are white-on-gay, Latino-on-gay, Asian-on-gay, and many others.

    Posted by: Paul R | Feb 26, 2012 12:15:24 PM


  20. “'Someone who is Jewish can be anti-Semitic,' said ACLU staff attorney Sarah Wunsch. 'The mere fact that someone is a member of the same class doesn’t mean they could not be motivated by hatred for their very own group.'”

    Yep, the ACLU has it right. And, as comment threads on TR show every day, there are plenty of gay men who hate other gay men and who hate lesbians and women in general, so it could certainly work the other way around. Then there's the racial component. Whether this was a hate crime or not is questionable since there's a lot of alleging going on re: sexuality and race, but it's certainly not impossible, as the "civil liberties" lawyer implies in his thick-headed statement.

    Posted by: Ernie | Feb 26, 2012 12:15:25 PM


  21. Awww @ZOMKI that's cute.

    Posted by: Eric26 | Feb 26, 2012 12:26:26 PM


  22. I am definitely not in the same class as lesbians.

    Posted by: michael | Feb 26, 2012 1:00:13 PM


  23. In San Francisco it's shockingly hard to get a hate crimes charge because it's considered hearsay, especially if the victim isn't considered effeminate. And apparently I'm not.

    I know this from being dragged 25 feet in a choke hold and being knocked out, then mugged. The mugger said Faggot repeatedly, but a cab driver hailed the cops and they took him down. He got 7 felonies and 11 misdemeanors, but they refused a hate crimes charge. I was furious. Still am.

    It was cool to be in the back of a police car, say, Oh yeah that's him, and have them take him down with extreme prejudice. Turns out he'd been let out of prison a couple hours earlier for, surprise, mugging.

    I know. I tell this story all the time. But it's the only of the four muggings last year that I remember.

    Posted by: Paul R | Feb 26, 2012 1:19:58 PM


  24. he spouted off racist comments

    they used derogatory comment "fag"...being lesbians most likely due to age late teens to early 20's since "fag" is a common derogatory comment (regrettably) amongst their age group

    the question is which one was 1st


    my bet is on him tossing out "n" word first as being more highly probably than them saying "fag" first

    Posted by: say what | Feb 26, 2012 2:39:15 PM


  25. Stay away from the AGs (or Aggressives or whatever they are calling themselves in your city). Hair trigger tempers just itching for a fight. Especially when they travel in packs...then they act no better than gang members.

    Posted by: QJ201 | Feb 26, 2012 2:39:17 PM


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