Coalition of National LGBT Groups Issue Joint Open Letter on the Killing of Trayvon Martin

A coalition of LGBT groups yesterday released an open letter related to the Trayvon Martin case:

MartinAn Open Letter: Standing Alongside Trayvon Martin’s Family and Friends

The tragic killing of Trayvon Martin is a national call to action. Our hearts go out to Trayvon’s family and friends for the loss they have experienced. We stand in solidarity with them as they demand answers and justice. We represent organizations with diverse lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender constituencies.

Many in our community have been targets of bigotry and bias. We have a great deal of experience grappling with the role bias plays in violent crimes against our communities. We well know the stories of young people targeted for violence just because of who they are: Rashawn Brazell, Lawrence King, Ali Forney, Deoni Jones, Brandon White, Matthew Shepard, Angie Zapata, Sean Kennedy and countless others.

Trayvon’s killing is a wakeup call to the enduring cancer of racism and racial profiling. The pain his family continues to endure transcends communities and unites us all. Every person, regardless of race, religion, sexual orientation or gender identity, must be able to walk the streets without fear for their safety.

Trayvon’s killing is tragic and the stark reality that racial bias played a role in his death has alarmed our nation. Questions must be asked. Answers must be sought. And justice must be served. We join our voices to the chorus of so many others to demand that local and federal authorities find those answers. We stand in solidarity with Trayvon’s family and friends as they seek justice for his killing. In the timeless words of Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere.


CenterLink: The Community of LGBT Centers
Equality Federation
Family Equality Council
Freedom to Marry
Human Rights Campaign
Immigration Equality
International Federation of Black Prides
Lambda Legal
LGBT Progress at the Center for American Progress
National Black Justice Coalition
National Center for Lesbian Rights (NCLR)
National Center for Transgender Equality (NCTE)
National Coalition for LGBT Health
National Gay and Lesbian Task Force
National Stonewall Democrats
Out & Equal Workplace Advocates
PFLAG National
Pride at Work
Services and Advocacy for GLBT Elders (SAGE)
Servicemembers Legal Defense Network (SLDN)
The Trevor Project


  1. Marcito says

    What impact this open letter can & WILL have.
    I have never been more proud of my community.

    I so appreciate this start to my day, Towleroad Andy.
    with gratitude, ~Marcito

  2. Wayne says

    While the death of any young person is tragic I think there has been a huge rush to judgement in this case and LGBT groups should be very wary of asserting that racial bias “played a role” in Martin’s death. If the eyewitness acount (which corroborates Zimmerman’s account) then this case could really be a tragic but simple self-defense case.

  3. jack says

    My sympathy goes out to the Martin family. If the news stories are correct, it seems like he was killed for no reason.What troubles me is the reaction of the leaders of the African American community.They correctly condemn this violence. But, where are they on the broader question. In my city of Phila, pa There have been about 90 murders of African Americans, mostly youths, in about 90 days. They have been murdered mostly by other African Americans. Where is the outrage? Where is Al Sharpton? Where is Jesse Jackson? The leaders of the African American community take the easy way out. On the rare occasion when a white person kills a black person, they get their marching shoes on. What happens to those shoes on the usual occasion when a black person murders a black person? Shame on them for not addressing this much more difficult problem.

  4. johnny says

    I agree totally with Wayne.

    And to add to that, I’m suspicious: Martin was no longer the little kid pictured when the incident happened and it is irresponsible journalism to keep depicting him as such.

    I’m not on either side of this issue yet, but I don’t like being shown false images.

  5. jack says

    New-new: What do you mean by the “white privilege comes out once again in the comments section”? I live in center city Phila in an area known as the “gayborhood” with lots of public housing and mixed rsidential, both rental and owner occupied. Where do you live?

  6. Chris says

    Sorry, Wayne, doesn’t wash. The agreed-upon facts in the case — that Zimmerman was stalking Trayvon through his gated community, with no probable cause other than the kid’s blackness — makes this very much not a “simple case of self-defense”, regardless of the interaction during the encounter itself.

    From what I can tell, most of the evidence points to “tragic hate crime”.

  7. johnny says

    New-New: Once again, race baiting is played where it isn’t necessary at all. There have been zero “white privilege” comments here thus far.

    Your comment is totally out of line and purposely incendiary. Take your peppermint tea, pour it over your shaking head and cool down.

  8. enough already says

    It would just be easier if the racists posting their doubts here would just plain admit to what they are.
    When even the Florida police tell you to stop following somebody it is time to stop.
    Nothing that young man did, there or in his personal life, excuses his murder.

  9. Chris says

    Jack, I don’t think that New-New was accusing you of showing your white privilege. Still, there’s plenty of anti-violence activism within many Black communities. Like all activism, it ebbs and flows, and seldom makes TV news. Even when Al Sharpton does show up.

    A quickie YouTube search, for instance pulls up this…:

  10. MarkUs says

    “Nothing that young man did, there or in his personal life, excuses his murder.”

    Why? I mean nothing, absolutely nothing? Nothing he did THERE excuses his murder. So I assume it’s unimportant what did happen. I don’t know, I wasn’t there.

  11. Oliver says

    I don’t think any of us know enough about the real facts in this case to be making sweeping statements about race or guilt. I do think that a reappraisal of the Stand Your Ground Laws should be a priority though.

  12. MarkUs says

    Wonder if we were talking about two youths of the same race and color if it would matter what the victim did THERE. Or if it would still NOT MATTER. Oh, well. Admit what you are.

  13. Jack says

    Premature. There is yet to be any kind of determination as to whether the shooting was unjustified or not, and whether it was based on race or not. It may well have been BOTH, but it seems like people are rushing to their own judgments a tad too quick here.

    What happens if he’s acquitted at a fair and honest trial?

  14. jack says

    I live in center city Phila Pa . The murder of young black men by young black men doesn’t affect me directly. It does sadden me that these young lives are lost. Who knows what joy these young people may have brought to us old heads.What does anger me is the relative silence of the leaders of the African American community about this war. YES WAR. Thousands of young blacks are being murdered on the streets of America every day by other young blacks. What are the leaders of the Black community and of the rest of America doing about it????

  15. MarkUs says

    “What happens if he’s acquitted at a fair and honest trial?”

    Then it was neither “fair” nor “honest”. Haven’t you seen this movie?

  16. Mark says

    I think there’s a good chance this killing wasn’t justified and Zimmerman should face manslaughter charges. But the racial bias evidence at this stage is a lot less clear. What’s gained by this sort of letter asserting the bias as fact before the DOJ investigation has concluded?

    And what’s the criteria for a letter on behalf of Martin and not on behalf of other innocent people who are killed? I thought that between fighting DOMA and the state marriage bans, and pushing for ENDA, there was already enough work for all of these organizations, but apparently now they’re going to move into victim advocacy as well.

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  18. FunMe says

    Beautiful! We are all human beings and it does not matter what race, sexual orientation, color, etc. It wonderful to see the GLBT organization show this support.

    United we can make the world better despite some of the hate that lingers in dark places.

  19. Chitown Kev says

    Which eyewitness acoount would that be Wayne, you racist bastard?

    Fact is we know that Zimmerman was a crank with a criminal record and anger management issues.

    Fact is Trayvon Martin was a normal 17 year old kid.

    How the hell a former bouncer is supposed to be afraid of a string bean like Martin, I don’t know.

  20. says

    I am pleased with this letter, and disgusted with the typical knee-jerk racist responses from some cowardly posters on here.

    Sure, it’s not about “race” – except for Zimmerman saying ‘f***ing coons’ on the audio.
    Sure, its about “standing your ground” – except for Martin, who I suppose wasn’t allowed to “stand his ground” when being followed by a strange man, who was older and had 100lbs on him.

    We stand in solidarity with Trayvon -with his memory and with his family. And we will not join the cowards who side with the murderer in hopes of finding their own pithy “tolerance” from Conservatives.

    As for those who believe Zimmerman is innocent – betcha can’t put a face to your comments. More “brave” racist tripe, spouted from anonymity.

  21. La says

    I love how certain types keep saying to let the authorities do their job, as if that will be the way the truth will be revealed. Sorry but the truth is right in your face, you just choose to not see it because you are a flat-out racist. Relying on the police to investigate resulted in the turn of events we have today, no arrests and plenty of attention. Your type also conveniently fails to understand the main point of this MOVEMENT is the complete misconduct of the police and DA. Yes, you are speaking from a place of white privelege but admitting that would require admitting that you’ve done absolutely nothing with your life even though you were born with a distinct and clear advantage. Sucks to be you.

  22. Chitown Kev says


    One small disagreement with you.

    It seems that the police DID investigate and the detective handling this case wanted to charge Zimmerman with manslaughter. (Given the various reports regarding a physical altercation between Martin and Zimmerman….a manslaughter charge sounds about right).

    The detective handling the case was overruled and investigation of the case ceased until it became a national story.

    Seems more like the prosecutor’s office impeded and ix-nayed the investigation at first glance.

  23. Artie_in_Lauderdale says

    I listened to the audio carefully, and, yes, he says, “F-ing coons,” quietly but audibly. He also says, “They always get away” at some point, which indicates that Zimmerman has already decided that Martin is guilty of something. Guilty of walking back from a store? Zimmerman doesn’t seem to care.

    If this went to trial, the most damning fact would be that the Florida police told Zimmerman to stop following Martin. Wasn’t it Zimmerman’s job to follow police instructions? If this was just a chance meeting, the situation would be different. But it wasn’t a chance meeting because Zimmerman ignored police instructions and kept following Martin. What personal reasons did Zimmerman have for ignoring police instructions? Those are probably the questions that people on a jury would ask.

  24. joeyhegele says

    The only thing I have gotten out of the reaction to this case from the mainstream media and the blogs is that there are terrifying Hispanic men out there hunting and killing your children. Others have pointed out the picture you are using is from when Martin was a little kid. I also dislike how the media/blogs keep using the mugshot of a hulking, unsmiling, unshaven Zimmerman in what looks like an orange jumpsuit. It really makes him out to be a monster, rather than just a paranoid person who should never owned a gun.

    If you do not like the stand-your-ground laws in Florida and other states, then we can agree on something. I am just curious where people were when this law was passed in 2005. I remember Bill Maher talking about on his show, but it did not get much attention or outrage from folks who are now condemning Zimmerman. It seems this law is fine until Hispanic people are using it.

    If Zimmerman was a sweet faced, blond haired, blue eyed guy I doubt most people would assume he is guilty. However, he looks like the Hispanic boogey-man that you hear about from the anti-immigrant and anti-Hispanic crowd. As someone who looks very much like Zimmerman, I am furious at how he has been turned into the personification of all that is evil.

    Again, if you dislike the stand-your-ground laws like I do, then I am not condemning you. I am condemning people who only have a problem with it when used by folks who look like Zimmerman or me. Martin is dead because of that law and a lack of gun control, not because Zimmerman was out hunting children that night like some of the crazy accusations I have heard.

  25. enough already says

    No. Nothing excuses murder.
    Even the child-raping catholics deserve to be brought before a proper court and give a fair trial, with a defense attorney who is skilled an committed to defending them before a jury of their peers, in front of a judge who is dedicated to insuring the entire proceeding is biased to force the prosecution to prove the child-raping catholic priest’s (might as well be priests’) guilt.

    What is your problem with that? When do you think personal life stories grant you the right to murder people?

  26. Troy says

    First, I am glad that the LGBT community reached out to his family.

    I just wish that the Black Community will reach out to the LGBT community when violent crimes against the LGBT community are perpetrated as well.

    Zimmerman is guilty and the Stand Your Ground Law is at fault because Zimmerman started a fight and claimed that he acted in self defense when he was the aggressor. This law needs to be repealed. Also Zimmerman was always on the phone to the cops and by the 911 call, I could see he was trying to get chummy with the operator, and seemed to be calculating his moves. This was deliberate and laws like SYG need to be repealed because I believe that they give people a reason to victimize black men who many white gun owners see as suspicious. “Belief of imminent danger” if often fueled by prejudice. That’s the facts, race DID play a part in it whether we want to say it or not

  27. Chitown Kev says


    I actually talke to my Mom (a retired 911 operator) about the very aspect of the case.

    Part of the issues is from my understanding, 911 operators aren’t deputized therefore Zimmerman was under no obligation to follow those directions.

    Now as to the question of whether 911 operators should be deputized in some way, shape, form, or fashion…well, that’s a very goodtion.

  28. MarkUs says

    Ha ha ha ha ha at those who have condemned the accused and THEN demand a fair trial. Get over yourselves. I’d be a fairer juror that the douches screaming “Racist!” because I haven’t heard the evidence and don’t have a noose in my hand looking for the closest tree already.

    Enough Already: question. If Matthew Shepard had a gun that night would you have approved him murdering his two attackers? Now remember, according to you, NOTHING excuses murder!

  29. Rick says

    Chances are that both Martin and his parents were/are intensely homophobic, given their demographic characteristics.

    But let’s not let that get in the way of the ongoing LSD trip through Far Left Disneyland on the part of gay activists……and their hallucinatory notions that by continuing to try to draw analogies as they did in this case, a light bulb will go on with a group that on the whole despises them.

  30. Caliban says

    I really don’t see how there can be any debate about this.

    The series of events that happened that night, ending in Trayvon Martin’s death, were ALL a result of George Zimmerman’s actions. Trayvon Martin was exactly where he was supposed to be. He was visiting his father, watching sports, and went to a convenience store for candy and tea. That’s all he did.

    Despite being told by the 911 operator NOT to follow him, George Zimmerman did it anyway. If Zimmerman had stayed in his car as requested NONE of this would have happened. You CANNOT follow someone, corner them, and then when they start to panic (and who wouldn’t panic at being followed by an armed man?) and lash out at you, kill them and say it was self defense! Not when the entire confrontation was instigated by YOU!

  31. Artie_in_Lauderdale says

    @ Chitown Kev,

    Point taken. Maybe volunteers for these “neighborhood watch” groups should agree to follow the instructions of 911 operators as a condition of volunteering. I wonder if neighborhood watch groups allow volunteers to carry weapons. Maybe they shouldn’t, but states would have to pass laws prohibiting neighborhood watch volunteers from carrying weapons.

  32. says

    folks, ignore RICK and his attempt to divert attention to himself. Yes, we all just saw him say “Trayvon’s family are black ,therefore they’re homophobic”
    but remember, RICK is a self-hating closet case who hates blacks, women, and other gay people all because his own family hated him for being. accept his cowardice, pity him, walk away, dont’ engage.

  33. Derrick from Philly says

    “Chances are that both Martin and his parents were/are intensely homophobic, given their demographic characteristics”

    And what do your demographic characteristics tell us about you, Rick? A politically conservative White homosexual. Who could trust you to be fair to Trayvon Martin…or Rupaul, for that matter.

  34. Artie_in_Lauderdale says

    @ Rick,

    Which part of the Bible Belt does your extended family inhabit? Given the demographics of white, evangelical Christians, your relatives probably despise you, unless you’re still in the closet, and I don’t discount the possibility that you’re closeted. What would gay men of color think when they read your comment? I don’t know, but my guess is that they would tell you to take your race-baiting elsewhere on the Internet.

    By the way, do your Bible-Belt relatives think that you’re too effeminate? Is that the reason for your crusade against gay guys that you deem too effeminate?

  35. says

    Derrick, he’s a pathetic closeted racist man. Don’t engage him.

    Trayvon was being followed. he ran. the older, heavier and armed man continued to follow him.

    How can Zimmerman, who uttered the words “f***ing coons”, claim he was “standing his ground”? He pursued a teen. Is that teen not allowed to “stand his ground” when approached by an armed stranger who is older and 100lbs heavier than him?

    Zimmer’s history of “getting off” of what would have been serious charges due to familial connections will be brought to light.

    This case has shone a much-needed light on not only the insanity of American gunculture, but the still-living racial tensions that plague our collective cultures like a cancer.

  36. says

    curious: what lesson would you folks tell your children?

    “ok, honey. if you’re walking home and some man is following you, what do you do? if you start to run, and he continues to pursue you, what do you do?”

    i’m stunned that people are blaming Trayvon for…what? not stopping to have a conversation with the grown adult man who was following him? Trayvon was a TEENAGER. You’re damned right I’d teach my children to run from a stranger that’s following them, and damned right to fight like hell if they approach them and get rough physically.

  37. Caliban says

    Another thing I have a question about is if Zimmerman really IS a member of the Neighborhood Watch. Early reports stated that the official Neighborhood Watch program didn’t have any record of Zimmerman being a member and his actions that night were against all NW policies. It’s called the Neighborhood WATCH for a reason, since they are supposed to be the eyes and ears of the neighborhood, but not to follow suspects, not to confront them, and not to carry concealed weapons!

    From an early article about the Trayvon Martin shooting: “When 28-year-old George Zimmerman was discovered by Sanford, Florida police standing over the body of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin, they accepted Zimmerman’s claim that he killed in self-defense as a neighborhood watch captain. Now, through a statement released by the National Sheriffs’ Association (NSA) — the parent organization of USAonWatch-Neighborhood Watch — it has been revealed that Zimmerman was not a member of any group recognized by the organization. Zimmerman violated the central tenets of Neighborhood Watch by following Martin, confronting him and carrying a concealed weapon.

    “In no program that I have ever heard of does someone patrol with a gun in their pocket,” Carmen Caldwell, the Executive Director of Citizens’ Crime Watch of Miami-Dade, told theGrio. “Every city and municipality has their own policies. Here in Miami-Dade we train people only to be the eyes and ears of their communities. Not to follow and most definitely not to carry a weapon.”

    Do you know what you call a wannabe cop who doesn’t join the Neighborhood Watch program but goes out at night, armed, “patrolling” the streets as a self-appointed law enforcement officer?

    A vigilante.

  38. Artie_in_Lauderdale says

    @ Little Kiwi,

    Do my eyes deceive me? Did a certain nutcase actually post the following?

    “Chances are that both Martin and his parents were/are intensely homophobic, given their demographic characteristics.”

    In the past, I’ve always tried to approach Rick’s opinions about sexuality with an open mind, but this racist nonsense is the last straw. It really does sound like Rick is trying to kiss up to his homophobic relatives by showing them how racist he is. Very weird. Sounds like something that would be more at home on Free Republic.

  39. Chitown Kev says

    Apparently, the Sanford police told the neighborhood watch group that very thing.

    “Last August, the homeowners association decided to create a neighborhood watch, and a Sanford police official came to the Retreat to explain the guidelines: volunteers do not possess police powers; they should not be armed; and they should be the eyes and ears for the police — but not vigilantes.” zimmerman&st=cse&scp=2

  40. says

    Artie, amen. And readers, I apologize for repeating my same stuff over and over again. Truly. I know you tire of me typing it, but trust me that I’m tired of it too. It’s just the same old story every day, with the Ricks and the ratbastards and the SockPuppets of these sites:
    Closeted white right-wing homosexuals who come onto websites to anonymously complain about blacks, liberals, women, and “effeminate gays”. WHY do they do this? It’s just as Artie said. Hating those groups is their distraction from the reality that their own white christian conservative families don’t give a damn about them. or they do give a damn, just not a positive one.
    hence – their continued anonymous fury on sites like this. this outlet for their misery is all they have left.

    i apologize to all the readers whose time i’ve wasted in dealing with these pathetic trolls.

    if these guys believed even one word of what they type, they’d have taken me up when i called their bluff – they’d have shown themselves, because they’d understand the power of visibility. they don’t. because they’re not strong, not empowered, nor are they even actually Out.
    time and time again.

  41. Rick says

    A couple of questions for you, Artie.

    If this had been the case of a white gay man having been murdered by a black man who claimed, without any evidence, that he did it because he had been hit on sexually by the white gay man and was in fear of being raped–and therefore was acting in self-defense…… you think we would see letters similar to this one being drafted by black churches or by civil rights organizations and being sent to the parents of the victim?

    And if the victim in this particular case had been one of those white Evangelicals you refer to–and all the circumstances were exactly the same, do you think the same gay organizations would be drafting a letter of the same sort and sending it to the parents of that individual?


  42. Artie_in_Lauderdale says

    @ Chitown Kev,

    You’ve uncovered facts which make the case clearer. Zimmerman wasn’t legally obliged to follow the instructions of 911 operators. However, he was misrepresenting himself to the homeowners association because he knew the guidelines that the Sanford police had given the association and deliberately ignored those guidelines. A jury would want to know why.

  43. MarkUs says

    What absolutely horrifies some here is that a panel on a jury or grand jury that is perfectly balanced and free of bias could hear evidence presented from both sides and in a fair manner – and just might acquit George Zimmerman. It horrifies them. Because as in the Duke RAPE! Case, they have already written the final chapter and skipped the middle.

  44. says

    For once, I’d love one of the racist anti-black ClosetCase commenters to put a face to their comments. Just one. JUST ONCE, it’d be amazing if any of your (or you, and any of your chosen aliases…) would grow a pair and show yourself.

    Alas, won’t happen. S**t Closet Cases Say.

  45. Wigger Please says

    Where’s the support from the Black community when crimes occur against LGBT people?

    Oh, that’s right, they’re standing in line to vote for things like Prop8.

  46. Artie_in_Lauderdale says

    @ Rick,

    There are certainly of cases of gay men shot by straight men who falsely claim that they were afraid of being sexually assaulted by the gay man. In those cases, I think civil rights organizations object when the circumstances make it look like the straight guy is lying.

    I really don’t think civil rights organizations have a special script depending on the race of the two guys involved. Are you saying that civil rights organizations would ignore a case of a black guy involved in gay bashing? Rick, please be fair to Andy Towle, other bloggers and LGBT civil rights groups. Don’t you see anti-gay hate crimes reported on LGBT blogs, regardless of the race of the individuals? I sure do.

  47. MarkUs says

    Kiwi, just once a comment without trolling for website hits would be nice. That’s all you do baby. You know damn well I could post a picture of Gisele Bundchen or the guy next door or myself or Joe Schmoe and call them all MarkUs. Your “post your picture like I do!” every disagreement is SO stale.

  48. Rick says

    @Markus Come on, now. As the OJ trial demonstrated, all these good folks desire is color-blind justice……any idea that they might be motivated by their own brand of racism (or homophobia in hypothetical cases like the one I offered) is just absurd (sarcasm intended)

  49. Chitown Kev says

    Given what the responses on this blog were like when a gay black Indiana University professor was murdered by a white former Marine, some white gays should not toss stones…they don’t even defend the gays in their own community if they’s aren’t white.

  50. says

    You show me gay men who blame “black communities” for homophobia and I’ll show you wimps whose own white families don’t do a damned thing to promote LGBT Equality.


    that’s why they focus “on blacks”- any distraction from the reality that their own white conservative christian families don’t actually stand up for them.

    that’s why the GOProuders of the country are gonna be devastated during Obama’s second term. That horrible black democrat is gonna do more for them than their own families ever will. ouch. that’s gotta hurt.

  51. Sharon says

    Wow. Littlekiwi sure has a huge chip on his shoulder! His tired meme of anyone who disagrees with him is a closeted person is getting really old. His internal baggage is transparent and pathetic.

  52. says

    Not really, there are many reasons to “disagree” about many different things. I’m just pointing out a reality, SockPuppetSharon – none of the “let’s blame the blacks” boys can put a face to their comments.

    Such big strong men, posting their nonsense from a place of anonymity. A culture of grown men who treat the internet like a burqa.

    I like transparency, however. That’s why you can click my name to see who I am. Duh.

  53. Artie_in_Lauderdale says

    @ Wigger Please (or Whigger Please?)

    Some studies have said that the methodology used in the 2008 Prop 8 exit poll was sound. Other studies have said that the methodology was flawed and that the results were an “outlier.” In any case, your statement that blacks are “standing in line to vote for things like Prop8″ is outdated. This is from an NBC/Wall Street Journal a few weeks ago. LGBT POV mentions the 50%/55% black/hispanic support for marriage equality from that poll in this article:

    As you can see from the data, support for LGBT equality has been increasing among non-white Americans during the last four years just as fast as it has among white Americans. Update your world view accordingly.

  54. Vince says

    Several of these groups have received checks from me in the past — but they never will again. The facts in the Martin case have been terribly blurred — what we have here is a reverse race media lynching. For the “leadership” of the gay community to jump on this bandwagon is unconscionable, inexplicable and irresponsible. HRC and GLAAD have just lost of lot of money from me.

  55. insecurepeoplesuck says

    @Littlekiwi –

    Stop it already with your shameless plugs to get people to visit your blog, it’s just sad.

    “That’s why you can click my name to see who I am”. Thanks, LK. I think most people know how hyperlinks work. Duh.

    Do yourself a favor, get a life, and a therapist.

  56. Rick says

    “I really don’t think civil rights organizations have a special script depending on the race of the two guys involved”

    Then you are incredibly naive and I hope that you don’t find yourself being victimized some day as a consequence.

    Just a month ago, two black teenagers attached a 50-year-old white man (Jewish, Artie, just so you know) with a hammer within an inch of his life……but have you heard anything about it? No. In fact, the Orlando Sentinel deliberately ommitted the race of the attackers and the victim, so as to prevent the truth getting out.

    And apparently evidence is beginning to emerge that the man was gay.

    Let’s see these same gay organizations dig into this story the way they have the Trayvon Martin case.

    They won’t of course, because they are nothing but whores to the Far Left, who have become more of an impediment to gay progress than an asset to it…..and who are always willing to put gay issues aside if the Far Left or the Democratic Party wants them (as they have for decades)

    By the way, in your state of Florida, 71% of blacks voted in favor of Amendment 2, a ban on same-sex marriage, in the last election….and even worse, CNN’s exit polls indicated that the percentage was not that different among younger blacks than it was among older ones…..whereas it was substantially lower among young people of other races than among older people.

    So, if that is any indication, no, there is not a lot of change going on in this demographic….and it would be surprising if there was given the constant reinforcement of homophbobia that rap lyrics provide…..

  57. Jack says

    None of you people want a fair trial, with due process or evidence.

    It is clear that you have decided guilt, and that anything other than a conviction will result in more screaming about how the system is failing. So let’s just skip the whole constitutional rights stuff and go to the punishment. Would that appease y’all?

  58. says

    i repeat: to all the “trayvon attacked zimmerman” folks – how can “stand your ground” only apply to a grown man with a gun, and not to a young teen who was being followed by a strange, older, bigger man with a gun?

  59. Artie_in_Lauderdale says

    @ Rick,

    I don’t doubt the accuracy of your statistics from 2008 for Amendment 2 in Florida. However, the NBC/Wall Street Journal polls are usually accurate as well, and the one from a few weeks ago shows a huge shift among blacks as opposed to four years ago:

    50% support for full-fledged marriage equality among African-Americans and 55% support among Hispanics. My question to you, Rick, is this: If there has been a huge shift over the last four years, where’s the harm?

  60. David Hearne says

    Whether a person is a member of an organized neighborhood watch or a nonaffiliated neighborhood watcher is utterly irrelevant to this case. You do not surrender your right to keep and bear arms, or your right to self defense because you are patrolling your neighborhood.

    Much has been made about the number of times Zimmerman called police to report suspicious activity to attempt to make him appear to be a crank, while these very same people turn around and claim that he’s supposed to call the police and take no further action. Few of these geniuses in their “He’s a racist” routine note that somehow in 46 calls to the police, he somehow didn’t hunt down some black guy and “shot him down like he was a dog.”

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  61. Caliban says


    How f*cking hard is that to understand?!

    George Zimmerman is not a cop. He is likely not even a Neighborhood Watch member. He’s just a wannabe cop @ssh0le with a gun.

    Considering that Trayvon Martin was carrying SKITTLES and ICED TEA, if a real cop and had been there the WORST thing that might have happened is he might have been tazed. Instead a 17 year old boy is DEAD because George Zimmerman thinks he’s f*cking BATMAN!

    If YOU attack someone you don’t get to kill them when you start LOSING the fight and then call it self defense! You are STILL the instigator of the fight, as George Zimmerman was!

  62. TJ says

    I hear you loud and clear, CALIBAN. And as much as I wish this situation never happened, and as much as I wish this was investigated and tried in a court of law rather than the court of public opinion, it seems that there are some “undeniables” in this case.

    A neighborhood watch person is not a cop, and shouldn’t act like one. CARRYING a gun increases the chances that a gun gets used, and that the harm is great. Without the gun, this would have been a different story. Zimmerman is ultimately responsible. He created the situation by playing the enforcer without authority, and by carrying a gun.

  63. MarkUs says

    Caliban, wouldn’t it be nice to calm down and hear both sides and see what evidence and hear what possible witnesses had to say? There are those saying that Zimmerman was attacked leaving the scene of their confrontation and returning to his car. The lesson there is Trayvon may not have known he had a gun, and (DUH) don’t attack a person with a gun. That’s all what some are saying. If the story is believable to a jury, fine. If the other story is more believable to a jury, fine. See, you’ve decided who attacked who and you weren’t there, nor do you have one shred of proof who attacked who. I suspect if you were up for the jury pool, you’d be tossed.

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