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CNN's Brooke Baldwin to Tony Perkins: 'Why Do Homosexuals Bother You so Much?' — VIDEO

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Three cheers for CNN's Brooke Baldwin, who grilled Family Research Council hate group leader Tony Perkins yesterday over his views on same-sex marriage, his distortions about gay people, and his personal opposition to homosexuality.

In a discussion about changing poll numbers on same-sex marriage, Baldwin asked Perkins if he's ever been to the home of a married same-sex couple, and then got more pointed.

Check out the must-watch video, AFTER THE JUMP...

A partial transcript from Equality Matters:

BALDWIN: I know you don’t want to answer the personal questions, but I’m going to try again, Tony. I’m going to try again, and this is really just going to be it for me today. Why, why do – you’ve never been to the home of a same-sex couple – why do homosexuals bother you so much? Would it be fair to characteri–

PERKINS: They don’t bother, they don’t bother me.

BALDWIN: They don’t bother you.


BALDWIN: Not at all?

PERKINS: I’m not going to be silent while they try to redefine marriage in this country, change policy, what my children are taught in schools, and what religious organizations can do. I’m not going to be silent, nor are millions of other Christians across this country. Doesn’t mean I have a dislike for homosexuals.


GLAAD's Herndon Graddick praised Baldwin, saying that GLAAD had scolded Wolf Blitzer last week for allowing Perkins' bigotry, lies, and distortions to pass by.

Said Graddick: “Tony Perkins isn’t merely someone who opposes marriage equality, this is someone who opposes gay people period, and Brooke Baldwin did a good job of making that clear. Tony Perkins cannot be used to represent those who may not yet be there on marriage but support LGBT people in other areas. Baldwin used her questions to put his views into context, and told her audience a complete story.”

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  1. Show me what religious organizations have lost their tax exemption status because they wouldn't allow marriage between same sex couples. Isn't that a flat out lie??

    Posted by: erik | May 25, 2012 9:02:14 AM


    Posted by: erik | May 25, 2012 9:02:43 AM

  3. Of course it's a flat out lie!

    Posted by: David Ehrenstein | May 25, 2012 9:03:15 AM

  4. Easy, multiple studies have shown that extreme homophobia is usually associated with closet cases who hate that aspect of themselves and are lashing out at homsexuals as a way of attacking what they hate about themselves.

    Just look at George Reckers, Ted Haggard, etc....

    Posted by: Cam | May 25, 2012 9:08:51 AM

  5. It's just really frustrating when interviewers let people like Tony Perkins get away with saying lies like "Social Science has proven that children do better in home with a mother and a father" and "Churches have lost their tax exempt status for not performing same sex marriages." I'm pretty sure both of these things are UNTRUE and he needs to be called out on it!

    Posted by: erik | May 25, 2012 9:09:03 AM

  6. Yet again, Perkins fails to make a reasonable argument against equal rights for same sex couples. Obviously, he can't because there isn't one.

    Posted by: John Freeman | May 25, 2012 9:09:28 AM

  7. He's such a scumbag...and his kids will have to live with the knowledge that thier father is / was compared to the likes of George Wallace and the KKK..History will NOT be kind to this man, and IT shouldn't! Ever wonder why you never hear from anybody in George Wallace's family.....very telling , huh?

    Posted by: Disgusted American | May 25, 2012 9:10:08 AM

  8. "gold standard". Code for Supremacy.

    Posted by: Jacques Rosas | May 25, 2012 9:11:33 AM

  9. That interview was a total home run for Perkins, so I'm not sure why we should be cheering Baldwin. He spouted his "forty years of social science confirms overwhelmingly that children need a father and mother" talking point four or five times, and was never challenged, either on the validity of the argument (it's not) or its relevance to same sex marriage (it isn't). He made sure to mention at the very beginning, again irrelevantly, that he'll have preachers of "all ethnicities" against same sex marriage and pushed the race divide hard, again unchallenged, even though the most recent poll shows strong support across races. And she tossed out only a feeble objection when perkins said the debate isn't about marriage, but about "brainwashing our children and closing our churches". If I were, for example, an ignorant parishioner at Providence Baptist Church in North Carolina, for example, I'd find him pretty compelling. I appreciate that she tried to lob a couple of slightly aggressive questions, but with no folowup it just allowed him to make up fake answers that made his side look good.

    Posted by: Brian | May 25, 2012 9:16:14 AM

  10. One day he will look back on this video and realize he was on the wrong side of human rights.

    Posted by: Annie | May 25, 2012 9:16:50 AM

  11. methinks he doth protest too much...

    and he sure has purty lips...

    classic closet case extraordinaire...


    Posted by: Dimitri | May 25, 2012 9:35:37 AM

  12. Blah blah blah... had to turn it off. Same old, same old. Asked a very simple question. Refused to answer it. Blah blah blah...

    Posted by: JimmyD | May 25, 2012 9:35:44 AM

  13. Wow, most of what he said was flat out lies. You have to wonder who at CNN is not allowing their reporters to call him out on them.

    Posted by: Michae | May 25, 2012 9:36:22 AM

  14. She really had him on the ropes. The best way to defuse a moron like this is to ask them to explain why gay marriage is wrong WITHOUT using religion. If they insist that it's religious freedom at stake, ask "what if being gay was a religion?" Cue incomprehensible mumbling from the Bible-thumping idiot.

    Posted by: Todd Rimes | May 25, 2012 9:44:47 AM

  15. It's all lies. A multitude of studes have shown that children raised by same-sex couples turn out just as well-adjusted as those brought up in traditional families. It's been proven millions of times that as long they loved and nurtured, kids turn out fine.

    Posted by: Jeff | May 25, 2012 9:47:22 AM

  16. I agree with Brian. While she did challenge him on the emotional issues, she seemed unprepared to challenge him on his so-called facts.
    Clearly TP is good for ratings, otherwise he wouldn't be on all the major networks so often. But I have yet to really see an anchorperson who was prepared to challenge him.
    It drives me crazy to hear TP talk about how we are changing what our kids are taught in school. That gay people exist? That Harvey Milk was the first openly gay man to be elected public office? That in some states gay men and women have the legal rights to be married? That gay men and women raise healthy, well adjusted children?
    These are facts and people who interview TP and who want to challenge him should be prepared to discuss those facts.
    In the end, a fat lot of good it does me to vent in the comments section. Every time I see him on TV, I wonder, where is the opposing view? What do we do in the LGBT community to put an end to these constant attacks on who we are and the rights we are entitled to?

    Posted by: David | May 25, 2012 9:50:10 AM

  17. Every single thing he "won't allow them to do" to him he does to us. Why does not a single reporter ever ask him that? The problem is is that few reporters are actually informed enough with the studies and the topic as a whole to really hit him back.

    Posted by: Michaelandfred | May 25, 2012 9:52:52 AM

  18. Good start, but I counted at least 5 bald-faced lies on his part, and the reporters should really begin challenging those.

    Beginning with the "social science research," none of which shows that you need a mom and a dad.

    Then the MA claims about schools -- changes in what was taught began BEFORE MA had marriage equality. It was about safe schools for gay kids, NOT about marriage.

    The public accommodations / church property was the NJ pavilion that was PUBLIC, it was NOT church property. Why is it any different than refusing to serve blacks in a restaurant "for religious reasons"?

    and so on. He repeats the same few points over and over, why can't the reporters do a little research on each of these points?

    Posted by: KevinVT | May 25, 2012 10:00:52 AM

  19. It's funny to me how he can say that he has never been to dinner with a same sex couple and yet he " knows for a fact" that we are lesser parents than him. My partner and I have a 20 year old daughter and a 16 year old son. Our daughter is an amazing artist who is in an advanced graphic arts program at a top school and our son just passed 11th grade with a straight A/B average. Our son moved in with us last year at his own request and even his mom was fine with it. So, all I can say to Mr. Perkins is his research that he is quoting falls flat in the evidence of my family. I'm sure he would probably say my family is the exception to the rule. That seems to be the response of his type.

    Posted by: Ro | May 25, 2012 10:01:35 AM

  20. Good interview from BB. Illogical blah blah from TP.

    Posted by: Matt26 | May 25, 2012 10:33:31 AM

  21. I agree with Brian. And furthermore, there's a large percentage of Americans that are just like that dumb-f**k woman who was on Anderson Cooper A360 defending that preacher, and they listen to this man as if he's some authority and they believe his every word.

    Posted by: Oliver | May 25, 2012 10:41:00 AM

  22. If religion is what you interpret a scripture to be, you can never beat a religious zealot at a religious debate because to them their interpretation will always be better than yours, when in all truth all of your argument is meaningless plausible inarguable aphorisms.

    Posted by: Xzavier | May 25, 2012 10:45:34 AM

  23. The next time they have Tony on they should pair him with the leader of the KKK and Fred Phelps. They can all use the Bible to justify their special beliefs and maybe America will get a better understanding of what hate and bigotry looks like.

    Posted by: Swiminbuff | May 25, 2012 10:47:18 AM

  24. I would love to see Ted Olsen cross examine Tony Perkins.

    Posted by: Jack | May 25, 2012 10:49:22 AM

  25. At least they're finally starting to challenge him instead of letting him spew his litany of lies.. They do need to be better prepared with the facts though if they're going to do it right.

    Posted by: Derek | May 25, 2012 10:52:12 AM

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