Dharun Ravi Sentenced To 30 Days In Prison For Role In Tyler Clementi’s Suicide

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Has justice been served?

Dharun Ravi, the former Rutgers University student found guilty of a biased crime for secretly broadcasting gay roommate Tyler Clementi's private gay hookups, a catalyst in Clementi's 2010 suicide, was sentenced today to 30 days in jail, 300 hours of community service, counseling on cyber-bullying and LGBT communities.

In addition, Ravi must pay a $11,950 fine that will be donated to a state-sponsored group "dedicated to assisting victims of biased crimes," which as far as I know is a unique and appropriate addition.

Calling Ravi's actions "colossally insensitive and criminal," Judge Glenn Berman lambasted Ravi for an apparent lack of contrition. "I heard this jury say, 'guilty' 288 times–24 questions, 12 jurors. That's the multiplication. I haven't heard you apologize once."

Though Clementi's parents and friends have been asking for a harsh sentence for the apparent unremorseful Ravi — Clementi's mother called Ravi's actions "evil and malicious" — gay activists have advocated against the maximum 10-year and deportation sentence Ravi faced. Today many of them agreed with Judge Berman's decision.

Steven Goldstein from Garden State Equality remarked:

Those who have oppose giving Dharun Ravi jail time have asked, 'Hasn’t he suffered enough?' But we believe there’s another question:  Has Dharun Ravi done enough? Has he done enough to use his place in history to speak out against student bullying and to make a positive impact on millions of lives across our state and nation?

Thus far, no.

Though Tyler Clementi has left us, the rest of Dharun Ravi’s life will help tell his life story. Ravi’s own lawyer portrayed him as a young man who engaged merely in jerky behavior. Ravi can stay that course, or he can do some good with his life by making amends and fighting for the justice and dignity of every individual, including people who are LGBT. That much is up to Ravi.

Shane Windmeyer from Campus Pride said the case should serve as a reminder that all campus administrators and students have an obligation to work against anything even vaguely resembling discrimination or bigotry.

"Every person has a responsibility to stand up for those who experience bullying and harassment – tragedies can be averted anytime even a single voice speaks out for the voiceless,” he said.

"Bystanders – those who witness bullying or harassment and do nothing to stop it – can plead neither ignorance nor innocence. Active silence can be as damaging as active bullying and result in tragedies like Clementi’s death.”

Dan Savage described the sentencing as "far, far too lenient."

In addition to his immediate punishments, Ravi also faces three years probation. The prosecution, meanwhile, suggested today it may appeal Berman's decision. If they do not appeal, however, Ravi will report to a correctional facility on May 31st.

Comments

  1. DrJWL says

    Im sure that Ravi’s life is irrevocably changed and that while 30days in prison is a slap on the wrist, he has seriously screwed his life up. This will follow him forever and Im not sure that sending him to prison for ten years would have accomplished anything either.

  2. Lucrece says

    A month (will be less) in jail for bullying someone to death? That’s just peachy.

    To those organizations who think they understand better than the Clementi family, I’d like to see their tune when it’s one of their children or family members jumping off a bridge for being publicly streamed having sex.

  3. jimsur212 says

    I am glad to see that reason has prevailed in the sentencing phase of this case. What Ravi did was wrong, but not deserving of significant incarceration. I hope he will show gratitude to a judge who did not get caught up in the understandable emotion surrounding this case by speaking out against the subtle homophobia that permeates the culture of 20-something heterosexual males. He owes that much to Tyler.

  4. KT says

    Um, you might want to re-evaulate the reactions of many gay activits. Based on their full statement, Garden State Equality definitely doesn’t agree with the sentence as it. Neither does Dan Savage and Shane Windmeyer merely reported the sentence before talking about the need for college campuses to do more. So far no one seems to be happy about the outcome.

  5. Robert says

    I’m just stunned. I wonder how much of this was a judge looking for an easy out and how much the influence of those so-called gay groups had. This…it’s horrifying. What happened to our justice system?

    Dan Savage and all those other bleeding-heart fags can go rot in a pit!

  6. NVTodd says

    So it begins. Now watch Dan and the rest of the weasels like him try to backtrack.

    What a farce.

    We’ve always been our own worst enemy, and today is proof of just that.

    No apology from Ravi. Zero remorse.

    I’ve never been more disgusted to be a gay man than I am today.

  7. Vint says

    So he goes to jail (not prison) for 9 days longer than it took to try him.

    This, then, is what the State of New Jersey thinks your rights are worth. You have no rights that they are interested in protecting.

  8. Brian says

    I have to say I was initially somewhat sympathetic to the guy, more along the lines of a stupid college kid rather than homophobe. But once the verdict was decided, I could easily see why the jury decided the way they did. And given the verdict, I think 30 days is a travesty. The judge is basically saying these crimes he was convicted of aren’t really crimes, which is totally wrong. The the family did nothing to elicit sympathy during this process. Ravi never apologized for what at minimum was a horrifically stupid bullying incident, his father blames gay lobbying groups, and his mother blames the media. The whole family needs to do a lot of soulsearching.

  9. atomic says

    30 days and a $12k fine amounts to a slap on the wrist for someone who has shown ZERO remorse or acceptance of responsibility, and whose family is loaded.

    And as for the claims that his life is ruined–clearly, it won’t be. His family is extremely wealthy. He’ll coast by, have daddy find him a job somewhere, and he’ll be forgotten in a few years.

    After he serves his sentence he’ll probably tweet about it, sign a book deal, do some news interviews. Meanwhile, Clementi’s family has to bear a lifetime of grief and pain, all the more so because this a**hole refuses to acknowledge his legally confirmed role in Tyler’s suicide.

  10. R says

    WTF?

    I have no words to desbribe my anger. Take names on all the Benedict Arnolds demanding leniency.

    This is like getting the conviction right, then giving a twinky-defense sentence anyway. A travesty of justice occurred today, just like it almost always does when bigots prey on a minority.

  11. Caliban says

    I’m conflicted about this. I *do* think he created an atmosphere of ridicule that was instrumental in leading Tyler Clementi to take his own life, but at the same time his specific actions, a few moments of cyber-snooping then gossiping about it, don’t necessarily deserve prison time.

  12. SteveC says

    Well seeing as he is not going to be punished adequately, I think that it is only reasonable that Ravi be deported as soon as he’s finished his probation.

    He is a convicted criminal and he is a foreign national.

    He should be deported.

  13. Bingo says

    There’s so much misunderstanding of what happened and there you are continuing to misinform. There was NO BROADCAST.

    Let’s at least discuss the facts, without sloppy reporting and dopey headlines.

  14. Jay says

    Once again gay people are denied justice. Actions against us are simply not taken seriously. I am glad that Dan Savage thinks this sentence is too lenient. He was reported as being among those urging leniency,

  15. says

    “Dan Savage and all those other bleeding-heart fags can go rot in a pit!” — Robert

    SING OUT LOUISE!

    Suddenl Dan Savage has a change or heart.

    Or is it a change of underwear?

    The message of this sentencing is clear — our lives are worth NOTHING

  16. jimsur212 says

    @BOBBODELCABO Your not too subtle suggestion that Dharun will find true remorse through prison rape makes you as despicable as the worst homophobe. Fortunately, he will be serving his time in a county jail, not a state prison and I’m sure he will be held in protective custody. So your sadist wish will not be fulfilled.

  17. Jay says

    Jimsur above: The Judge DID NOT order that Ravi not be deported. He said that he would recommend that he not be deported, but it is not his decision to make. The Immigration and Naturalization Service will decide whether the weasel is deported. I think he should be. He and his family have had every opportunity to apply for American citizenship but chose not to do so. He is a convicted criminal alien. He should be deported.

  18. Francis says

    I don’t think this sentence was based on homophobia. I DO think this sentence is based on an unhealthy cultural phenomenon—-“boys will be boys”. And a lot of people are clearly brainwashed by this phenomenon, that somehow committing NUMEROUS criminal acts are somehow justified if a kid is a teen or younger, that committing a horrific criminal “prank” somehow means less if you’re 18, as if at 18 years old you don’t know basic right from wrong.

    At the end of the day, the judge felt as if what Dharun did was insensitive but not hateful in nature, hence the light sentence. The reality is, Dharun Ravi has not shown any remorse AT ALL for what he did. Not even an ounce. He and his family are anti-gay, and feel as if they’ve been targeted by gay activists. Dharun doesn’t even think that he’s in any way responsible for Tyler’s suicide.

    Dharun is homophobic, as well. His tweets, which he subsequently deleted, proved that. This is an outrage and shows how little our culture cares about bullying, how bullying is so permissive in our country. Such a tragedy. With that said, I hope the appeal goes through and this sentence is overturned.

  19. NVTodd says

    Watch the media whore fags now proceed to obliterate their records on THIS one.

    To everyone that STILL supports Ravi, who has yet to show any remorse, but no doubt will justify their support of him, when, in the future, he gets $$$ for “telling his story”, I hate nothing but the utmost contempt and hate for you and the damage you’ve done, and the damage that’s yet to BE done.

    Weasels.

  20. jimsur212 says

    I stand corrected Jay, you are right.

    But as for these people attacking “bleeding hear fags”, this country needs more so-called bleeding hearts of every stripe. We have 5% of the world’s population, but 25% of its prisoners. We send too many people to jail in this country for too many things for too long a period of time. Today’s verdict is a blow to this country’s sick obsession with incarceration. We need more alternative sentencing to incarceration – not less.

  21. Reggie777 says

    To those who thought bullying should not be punished too harshly, I hope you all are happy now. Ravi got a slap on the wrist.

    He has never admitted wrongdoing, and has never really apologized. Unrepentant, and arrogant.

    Suddenly saying the sentence is too light does not excuse their previous call for leniency.

    I hope that henceforth, every death of every bullied teen, gay or straight, will weigh heavily on the conscience of those who wanted Ravi to get off lightly. Bullies should be dealt with severely for the damage they do the the human spirit.

  22. NVTodd says

    No, we DO NOT need more “bleeding hearts”, we need justice and a reasonable response.

    Not the perpetual excuses for extremist intellectual left wing corruption that serves us just as badly as extremist right wing intellectual corruption.

    You are just the worst kind of apologist.

  23. Michaelandfred says

    Wow. I wasn’t expecting the judge to give the full sentence, but you’d think after his own words of disgust at there being no remorse he would have given him something that would have actually been a punishment….for ANY crime. 30 days, we’ve seen what that means. You walk in, change clothes, change back and leave.

  24. Contrarian says

    The spaghetti western vigilante hang ’em high ethos is alive and well (along with complete misinformation on the actual evidence and charges at issue) here at Towleroad. Ravi was not charged with causing any one’s death. Indeed the suicide was not even at issue in the trial. But don’t let the law and evidence get in the way of queens in high hissy-fit mode. Lying under oath and/or invasion of privacy were the most serious charges and don’t merit 10 years when violent muggers don’t even get 5.

  25. Tony says

    This whole trial seemed to be a waste of time..he has shown no remorse..he’s really not getting any jail time at all..what a farce this whole thing was..

    I feel bad for the prosecutor, lots of good work down the drain…and my heart goes out to the Clementis..Ravi I’m sure will be partying tonight while their preparing for another summer without their son…

  26. NVTodd says

    CONTRARIAN, you’re doing the same thing.

    This was about the right to privacy.

    30 days is ridiculous; and so are your “queen hissy-fit” remarks.

    And you’re so full it with your bogus “violent muggers” remark. But this type of apologist distraction is what we’ve come to expect from weasels.

  27. FunMe says

    I know 30 days doesn’t seem like much, and he might not even spend a day in jail. Still, the verdict is HORRIBLE for him as he will have to carry this the rest of his life. Whether he clears his record or not, people can always google and his name will be up about what he did.

    I think the case had some holes, so this is probably the best that could have happened.

    This is also a warning to other kids that there are consequences to your bad actions.

    Imagine, instead of enjoying college, graduating, and thinking about the future … this young guy was preparing for court and spending lots of $$$ for a stupid “prank” which was really bordering on a HATE crime.

  28. Francis says

    Well, if the homophobe is deported, then that for me would somewhat make up for this horrific sentencing.

    I mean, I’m basically speechless. 30 days in jail? Will he even spend all 30 days in jail? My heart goes out to Tyler’s family. The emotions they must be feeling right now are so painful.

  29. FunMe says

    “when I sign my judgement there will be a notation that you not be deported. It’s understood of course that that’s not my final decision”
    Sounds to me like he could still be deported. If he continues with his smug attitude and not taking responsibility, it could happen.

  30. jimsur212 says

    @NVTODD Ravi was not charged with nor is he responsible for the death of Tyler. He did not “kill fags” as you crudely put it. People are projecting on to this case what they want it to be – not what it is. It would be good to hold up to society an example of what happens to bullies who act out on their hatred of gays. Ravi is just not an example of such an instant.

    And your bloodlust and need to call anyone a weasel who disagrees with you is of low character.

  31. NVTodd says

    Invading someone’s privacy by putting a video camera in the room you know they’re going to have intimate relations in is hardly a mere “prank”.

    Give me a break, you sick freak exhibitionists.

  32. anon says

    This all looks like they are trying to discourage an appeal. A successful appeal would probably overturn the conviction and throw out the hate crime law for language that violates both US constitutional and common law practice (mens rea and the victim’s state of mind), not to mention precedent in similar cases.

    As to appealing the sentencing: almost no chance of that happening. That was posturing on the part of the prosecutor’s office.

  33. NVTodd says

    JIMSUR212; I never said anything about Ravi contributing to the death, so save your bogus straw man fallacies for someone that gives a crap for your apologistsics.

    And if the weasel stole fits, wear it.

  34. AG says

    That Ravi is sent to jail for a stupid college prank even for a day is an outrage. Take that, you gay fascist lynch mob. Ernst Röhm would be proud of your bloodthirstiness.

  35. NVTodd says

    Hey, if he’d shown the least bit of remorse and apologized maybe people wouldn’t be so upset.

    And nazi references are an automatic admission of a lack of intellectual rigor.

    Desiring justice is not bloodthirstiness.

    No reasonable person was calling for his death.

  36. Frank says

    Ravi also has many years ahead of him having to deal with a felony conviction. Few companies disregard such a conviction, especially in the short term. Things won’t be east for Ravi for quite a while. His whole life is now on a totally different trajectory than before all this happened. My only consolation about this sentence today is that even after he serves his thirty days, and completes his probation, this will haunt him every time he has to fill out a job application.

  37. Mike C. says

    Sometimes we have to learn and accept mercy. This kid never deserved to spend over a decade in prison.

    Both Ravi and Clementi were obviously unstable people and probbbbably not the best choice for freshman year roommates… But a lot of you seem to be taking your anger for all the injustices and hardships of the collective gay American life out on this one mean kid. Clementi’s mother, who allegedly rejected him for being gay just months before his suicide, probably did more to contribute to her son’s instability than the other student. Neither should be tried for his death, which is essentially what happened during Ravi’s trial.

  38. says

    “Sometimes we have to learn and accept mercy.”

    And sometimes we DON’T — like NOW!

    “This kid never deserved to spend over a decade in prison.”

    This “kid” deserves to be thrown poff the George Washington Bridge.

    “Both Ravi and Clementi were obviously unstable people and probbbbably not the best choice for freshman year roommates…”

    “Obviously unstable”? To whom?

    “But a lot of you seem to be taking your anger for all the injustices and hardships of the collective gay American life out on this one mean kid.”

    HE’S A FULLY-FUNCTIONING ADULT , NOT A “KID” AT ALL!!!!!

    ” Clementi’s mother, who allegedly rejected him for being gay just months before his suicide, probably did more to contribute to her son’s instability than the other student”

    And on what do you base that? Rumor? Conjecture? Something you just pulled out of your useless ass?

    “Neither should be tried for his death, which is essentially what happened during Ravi’s trial.”

    Love the “neither.”

    When you get gay-based, don’ty call the cops. It’s all YOUR MOTHERS’S FAULT.

  39. Mike C. says

    @David Ehrenstein, I’m not going to respond to someone who is clearly as delusional as you, and who is advocating that Ravi be killed, but to your question on Clementi’s mother allegedly rejected him for being gay, I’ll respond since you seem so uninformed

    In online conversations Clementi had with friends before his death, he said that his mother had “completely rejected” him after coming out, and that he was deeply troubled by it

  40. Michael says

    Hold on. Was convicted on 15 counts and faced up to 10 years but got 30 days.

    Maybe my math is somehow off but this just doesn’t add up at all.

  41. says

    I am extremely well-informed about this case Mike C, as I have followed it closely from the beginning.

    That you see Mrs. Clementi’s reaction to her son’s coming out as the reason behind his suicide is TYPICAL of KAPOS such as yourself.(Talk about delusional!)

    What caused Clemnti’s suicide is clearly the last in-person meetign he had with Ravi

  42. Matt says

    I think his punishment has been fair. It was a horrible invasion of privacy, but he shouldn’t solely be blamed for the suicide. Ravi did a stupid thing at probably a really bad time.

  43. MIke says

    We can’t have it both ways. Either bullying is a crime and, when it leads to death-by-bulling, should be severely punished – or “boys will be boys” prevails.

    We as a community – or at least those who publicly say that they speak for “us” – are sending society a very confusing message.

  44. Polyboy says

    Looks like the usual trolls have donned new names and a fake sense of concern for Ravi.

    And AG, go to hell you swine, or really go back to whatever fox news place you came from. The moment you attempt American Gays with Nazi Germany, you reveal your self as stupid, uninformed and a homophobe.

  45. Molc says

    Absolutely disgusting, but not surprising. This piece of scum has had everyone absolving him (and apologizing) of his criminal/culpability, behavior from day one and so it continues. Just despicable, I hope this sociopath rots in hell. I believe in karma.

  46. Kenn says

    No surprise in all of this. Although I did not wish to see him deported or sent to jail for ten years, a prison sentence of at least a year or two could very well have been a transformative experience in his life, hopefully for the better. As it is, only time will tell, if the media follows up on him many years from now, as to whether or not his current lack of remorse is indicative of a serious character flaw that will deprive him of a fully realized life.

  47. Contrarian says

    To quote the words attributed to Sir Thomas More (But actully writen by Robert Bolt, dramatist/screenwriter): “Yes, I’d give the Devil benefit of law, what would you do..cut a great road through the law to get after the devil…and when the last law was down…where would you hide,the laws all being flat? ..Do you really think you could stand upright in the winds which would blow?”

    Commentors overlook the 300 hours of mandatory community service, including attending LBGT organized training and anti-bullying sessions. The fine of over 11K. The attorney’s fees the Ravi family owes which are undoubtedly in excess of 11K by far, knowing lawyers fees. All in all not exactly draconian but hardly a “slap on ther wrist”. We court trouble when the community wants not justice tempered with mercy but vengence to get “at the devil”.

  48. gregory brown says

    Fifty years apart: two smug rich boys, each so offended by the very IDEA of somebody having a life that’s different from his own, decides to humiliate and abuse and enlist as many others as he can to observe and approve of the acts that are seen by so many as “pranks”. Neither shows any remorse or even concern for his victim.
    There’s a trial and something vaguely resembling punishment in the second instance. Is that progress?

    Whatever path Ravi’s life takes, at least he won’t be a US Presidential candidate.

  49. anon says

    The problem with political trials is when the law intrudes on the festivities. The reason so many gay “leaders” came out in favor of leniency was to forestall an appeal–which they knew would go Ravi’s way. They really set up expectations way too high with this trial (particularly the prosecutor’s office and the media). There never was going to be justice served for decades of anti-gay bullying. Disappointment was inevitable.

  50. Jay says

    It will be very difficult to take seriously anything Dan Savage says in the future. He betrayed the whole cause of ending bullying by asking for leniency for this bully. Really disgusted with the judge, but also with Savage and Sullivan et al.

  51. mike128 says

    I think 10 years might be been too much but 30 days is certainly far too lenient. And the truth is he probably won’t serve half of that.

  52. mike says

    How does the judge “think” that this criminal does not hate? Is he a mind reader? And is there really such a big difference between hate and bias? This judgement is laughable. At least give him some time to *think* in solace of his actions and stop shifting blame.

  53. Judge Judy says

    This is the kind of decision that makes Americans suspicious of and resentful of immigrants, and that makes wronged people take the law into their own hands. When one fails to get justice in the courts, the courts lose their legitimacy.

    30 days doesn’t even pretend to punish the miscreant Ravi. It’s worse than no jail term at all. Instead, it trivializes the seriousness of Ravi’s numerous crimes. This judge basically just mocked the Clementi family’s loss and their grief.

    Worse, this judge has no responsibility to explain the basis for his decision. The disproportionality of the sentence to the multiple crimes committed by Ravi (not even taking into account the resulting death) demands a judicial inquiry into whether any quid pro quo financial improprieties have occurred. One hates to think that paid-for leniency could be a possibility, but it is the only logical explanation for this judge’s stunning lack of judgment. Let the investigation begin, and make the punishment fit the crime.

  54. says

    I wonder how much time a black man with no money would be given if convicted of the same 15 charges? This was unacceptable. The absolute best punishment would be to simply deport him. Most of the charges he was convicted of (or should I say found guilty of) were basically un-american. Send him packing!

  55. Insensitivefools says

    Please deport him. We have enough bullies with no morals working in congress and running corporations here already. He was convicted, among other things, of tampering with evidence, interfering with the investigation and trying to influence a witness. He acted like a criminal, before, during and after the crime. He showed no remorse. Please get rid of him.

  56. calpoidog says

    Read the New Yorkers coverage. It really puts the whole thing in perspective and really leaves you wondering what, if any, impact Ravi’s bullying had on Clementi’s suicide. It’s still available on the website. Not to say I condone or forgive what Ravi did..just saying there are lots of facts that don’t appear in the sensationalized versions of this story.

  57. Hard Liner says

    Not only do I agree with what Judy says above, but the judge’s decision ALSO mocks the difficult decisions made by the prosecutors and totally undermines the courageous decision by the jury.

    I’ve been around courthouses enough to know that a LOT of the people who populate them are hardly above accepting a bulging envelope in exchange for ‘consideration’. The evidence in Brooklyn courts is ample, and we only ever hear about the tip of the iceberg. The possibility really can’t be discounted, particularly when you’re dealing with defendants of means, whose backs are against the wall.

    Deport the whole damned lot of them back to India, and send this judge with them as their light-skinned house monkey.

  58. John Freeman says

    I find this light sentence a travesty. The only aspect of it which I am pleased about is that, as convicted felon, he may not be deported, but he will never be able to become a citizen. Is that correct? I’m Canadian, so I don’t necessarily know.

  59. NVTodd says

    Sensationalized versions ? Are you kidding me ?

    As if the New Yorker’s coverage wasn’t ?

    Give me a break, this guys was convicted on numerous counts of numerous crimes, he’s a felon several times over.

    That so many gay people are so willing to look the other way, to outright lie about this and make excuses, even now, is just outrageous.

    Where’s the remorse ? Where’s the apology ?

    Ravi has got off VERY light for having committed so many crimes.

    Just like our worthless fagot media whores are going to get off light.

    It’s disgusting, you’ll all still worship Savage and company after this, and make endless excuses for them as well.

    Let me be clear, I’m not a self-hating gay man – I hate YOU and your sick ilk.

  60. jose bertolero says

    The judge’s ruling was just preposterous and shameful. This guy has disgraced himself for the rest of his life and having to live with the truth of the consequences of his jerky actions will be his punishment.

  61. Iwontgrowup says

    This is a prime example of how the justice system works for us. Keep in mind if this verdict had been delivered during the Bush administration, blame would be placed in the oval office. So why not place the blame there now.
    Where is the outrage from the mainstream media and the liberal politicians?
    This sentence is far too lenient. If this man wasn’t a minority he’d be sent to the chair, but the message has been sent, the only minority that it is free to attack is gay community.
    Where is the statement from our first “gay” president about this, or was that just another lie to get re-elected?
    (Now bring it on, thats right I’m a moderate that leans right.) Keep the name calling clean and intelligent.

  62. GeorgeM says

    It has nothing to do with the prez or if you’re a mod. The prez will win or lose regardless of his gay support. We get none from the other side and they win and lose
    Find a fight somewhere else, clearly that’s what you’re looking for

  63. pavelb says

    What I see happening is 5 days served and then he will get a lucrative book deal and then become a “celebrity” pundit on Fox or some other network. This makes me sad and angry.

  64. mcNnyc says

    Tell me..even if he wanted to can Ravi get US citizenship with all these felony convictions or can his father just buy it for him like he bought Justice in New Jersey?
    Has Chris Christie short listed this judge yet for a promotion?

  65. jim says

    Why would Ravi want US citizenship? He and his family have obviously done fine without it!

    This sentence has angered me beyond belief. It’s made a total mockery of the trial-by-jury system. Hell, Martha Stewart got more time! It’s very difficult to believe that there isn’t elitism going on here…if Ravi was a poor black kid he would be doing at least a year. And that’s part of what angers me: the punk has been given every social and economic advantage, and this is the person he’s turned out to be.

    I have 2 hopes for the future: that the law governing deportation of felons is iron-clad, and Ravi will be banished, and that the arrogant punk violates his probation.

  66. Kewl says

    Ravi did not tell that boy to jump off a bridge. Suicide is the result of mental illness. That boy should have been in counseling. His parents failed him. Ravi made fun of him. Prolly he wanted to try to understand this gay sex thing, so he recorded it. And others wanted to know too. If Clementi had recorded Ravi having sex with a girl, the most Ravi would have done is kick his ass. He wouldn’t have jumped off a bridge, for crying out loud. He’d have walked around like a stud. What’s the matter, for all your Pride, there is no pride, is there? Think about it. Do you get it now? And instead of soul searching to see why your message is rejected, you look for a scapegoat. Yes Ravi’s life is ruined. He’s being forced into prison. He has a criminal record. Clementis wasn’t forced, legally or physically, to do anything by Ravi. He should have kicked his Ravi’s ass and kept stepping. Tell me, why did Clementi kill himself? Try being honest with yourself.

  67. au contraire says

    @CALPOIDOG

    The New Yorker story was written before the trial began and that reporter had less than all the facts. The jury, in contrast, heard all the witnesses and saw all of the exhibits. They had to consider 35 charges and they returned verdicts in less than 48 hours. That is very fast. This was easy for them. For all of the harsh rhetoric he directed at Ravi, this idiot judge seems to be unmoved by the evidence and the jury’s decisiveness. I still do not understand how he concluded that 30 days was correct and I hope the prosecutor is successful in his appeal of that sentence.

  68. Kewl says

    George, this message that your unhappiness should be blamed on someone else. Look into why Clementi was distressed. He came out and he knew that he’d face a hard time about it – not just from his college roommate who he knew all of 3 weeks. But from his family, future employers, his social groups, church, etc. And he didn’t know what to do about the conflict in life. But somehow that is society’s fault. Not Clementis fault. Not his fault that he was confused. Not his fault that he didn’t have a strong enough relationship with his family to convince them to get the help they all needed. No, let’s blame everyone else. Lets accuse everyone who chooes not to embrace homosexuality of being a bigot. let’s blame the college freshman. Because hey, hes not allowed an opinion. Only your opinion matters. . We all make choices. I choose what i can handle and what i cant. I might want to tell a cop to kiss my ass,but I don’t, even when I have a right to. Because I’m not prepared for the consequence. Tyler wasn’t prepared for the consequences, even as much as he had rights. If he was prepared, he would have told Dhrun to blow him, and kept on living. That’s the problem with your message. Stop the goddamn whining -everyone’s got problems. I’m sorry this kid saw no other way. He should have chosen life. With life there is hope.

  69. GeorgeM says

    I’m surprised you’re not a drive by, we get a lot
    First where did I say I was unhappy? Or are you lumping me in with everyone. You can have any opinion you want but sometimes people are bigots. And C. It was a violation of privacy, that got him in trouble. You can deal with someone watching anyway you want to, some call the police (not saying that’s what happened). He would have gotten time and probation for just simple privacy in NJ, they don’t play.

    I take In what you say I do but it’s hard for me not to think I’m talking to a str8 person who will truly never know how I feel. I will never know how you feel. Situations hit us different because in someways we are different. So maybe when you read comments like these maybe not on this story, think about the person, the situation and why the person is reacting like that.

  70. GeorgeM says

    Had he not recorded him he may still have killed himself. Ravi would not have been involved or in court. He did, erased things and tampered with a witness.
    We will never truly know why, everyone has an opinion and a right to it.

  71. Kewl says

    George, I appreciate your comments. Measured, temperate. And yes, I do get it. Trust me. I do. It’s not equal. It’s not fair. It hurts. It’s demoralizing. But here’s one thing I heard this year, that has me looking at stuff differently. It isn’t just what you say at the table that counts. It’s what you do away from the table. So absolutely, speak out against wrong-doing. Help people to understand. Help them to see the light of your truth. But bullying is wrong, on either side. We’ll never win that way. We get it thru building trust. Credibility. And this wishing that Ravi gets thrown off a bridge prevents any of that from happening. As much as you feel you are right, there’s another grip of ppl who sware they are right. How do we get to a point where we agree. Listening, talking, patience. Respect.

  72. GeorgeM says

    I agree, many of the comments went past the point. When you say we’re do you mean same community??
    We will get to a point of respect between both sides, I really believe that. Im not sure agree but understanding. Advances we make will them selves seem like bullying. As marriage becomes more and more it will force change and those on the other side will feel bullied. Time will heal all. It is hard to be at a place of respect when the past, in some respects is still the present. That’s my personal challenge, to look past and grow.
    It is hard tho

  73. Asher St. Claire says

    Wait a second, we’re all condeming this dude for invasion of privacy, but how many of y’all have done the exact same thing? How many of you have secretly taken a picture of a guy you thought was hot when he wasn’t looking? How many of you have snapped a video of someone making out at a party?

    That is on the exact same level of what Ravi was doing.

    Ravi did not kill Tyler.

    Tyler killed Tyler and to be honest, I highly doubt the situation with Ravi had that much to do with Tyler killing himself.

    The situation between the two of them had been resolved, Tyler said so himself.

    This isn’t being an apologist, this is being factual.

    It is a known fact that Clementi’s parents were not supportive of Tyler being gay, yet no one is addressing that fact.

    We all know how horrible it can be to have homophobic parents and how damaging that can be to a gay person trying to discover themselves.

    Why is no one question Tyler’s relationship with his parents?

    Why is no one questioning why Tyler’s parents weren’t more supportive?

    Why is everyone calling for Ravi’s head when in all likelihood, Tyler’s relationship with his parents more than likely had more to do with him commuting suicide than anything else.

    We all know how horrible it is to be bullied at school, but we all know how much worse it can be to have to deal with it at home.

    I’m not saying Ravi isn’t guilty, I’m saying that he’s guilty of the exact same thing thousands of us do on a regular basis, he just got caught.

    So please, if you’re going to call for a lynch mob, just grab some rope for yourself and claim a tree branch for your own right next to him.

  74. NVTodd says

    ASHER ST. CLAIRE – A pic at a party is in now way the same as being spied on in a locked room through a camera you thought was not on, and your attempts to argue that we’ve all somehow done something even remotely similar is unmitigated BS.

    Tell me we wouldn’t be sent to prison for more than 30 days for this :

    COUNT 1
    4th Degree Invasion of Privacy, related to Tyler Clementi: GUILTY
    4th Degree Invasion of Privacy, related to Clementi’s guest, M.B.: GUILTY
    (Observed Clementi/M.B. in sexual contact without their consent on Sept. 19)

    COUNT 2
    • Invasion of Privacy, under circumstances that caused Tyler Clementi to be intimidated, and considering the manner in which the offense was committed, Clementi reasonably believed that he was selected to be the target of the offense because of sexual orientation: GUILTY

    COUNT 3
    3rd Degree Invasion of Privacy, related to Tyler Clementi: GUILTY
    3rd Degree Invasion of Privacy, related to M.B.: GUILTY
    (Activated webcam so other people could view Clementi/M.B. in sexual contact on Sept 19.)
    If Guilty, jury proceeds to count 4; if Not Guilty, jury skips count 4 and proceeds to count 5

    COUNT 4
    • Invasion of Privacy, knowing that the conduct constituting invasion of privacy would cause Tyler Clementi to be intimidated because of sexual orientation: GUILTY
    • Invasion of Privacy, under circumstances that caused Tyler Clementi to be intimidated, and considering the manner in which the offense was committed, Clementi reasonably believed that he was selected to be the target of the offense because of sexual orientation: GUILTY

    COUNT 5
    4th Degree Attempted Invasion of Privacy, related to Tyler Clementi: GUILTY
    4th Degree Attempted Invasion of Privacy, related to M.B.: GUILTY
    (Tried to observe Clementi/M.B. in sexual contact without their consent on Sept. 21)
    If Guilty, jury proceeds to count 6; if Not Guilty, jury skips count 6 and proceeds to count 7

    COUNT 6
    3rd Degree Bias Intimidation
    (For 4th Degree Invasion of Privacy charge on Sept. 21)
    • Invasion of Privacy, with the purpose to intimidate Tyler Clementi because of sexual orientation: GUILTY
    • Invasion of Privacy, knowing that the conduct constituting invasion of privacy would cause Tyler Clementi to be intimated because of sexual orientation: GUILTY
    • Invasion of Privacy, under circumstances that caused Tyler Clementi to be intimidated, and considering the manner in which the offense was committed, Clementi reasonably believed that he was selected to be the target of the offense because of sexual orientation: GUILTY

    COUNT 7
    3rd Degree Attempted Invasion of Privacy, related to Tyler Clementi: GUILTY
    3rd Degree Attempted Invasion of Privacy, related to M.B.: GUILTY
    (Tried to show Clementi/M.B. in sexual contact to other people on Sept. 21)

    COUNT 8
    2nd Degree Bias Intimidation
    (For 3rd Degree Attempted Invasion of Privacy charge on Sept. 21)
    • Invasion of Privacy, with the purpose to intimidate Tyler Clementi because of sexual orientation: GUILTY
    • Invasion of Privacy, knowing that the conduct constituting invasion of privacy would cause Tyler Clementi to be intimidated because of sexual orientation: GUILTY
    • Invasion of Privacy, under circumstances that caused Tyler Clementi to be intimidated, and considering the manner in which the offense was committed, Clementi reasonably believed that he was selected to be the target of the offense because of sexual orientation: GUILTY

    COUNT 9
    4th Degree Tampering with Physical Evidence: GUILTY
    (Deleted tweets relevant to police investigation)

    COUNT 10
    4th Degree Tampering with Physical Evidence: GUILTY
    (Wrote and posted a false tweet)

    COUNT 11
    3rd Degree Hindering Apprehension or Prosecution: GUILTY
    (Destroyed evidence relevant to investigation)

    COUNT 12
    3rd Degree Hindering Apprehension or Prosecution: GUILTY
    (Prevented a witness from providing testimony)

    COUNT 13
    3rd Degree Hindering Apprehension or Prosecution: GUILTY
    (Lied to police)

    COUNT 14
    3rd Degree Witness Tampering: GUILTY
    (Tried to influence what Molly Wei told police)

    COUNT 15
    4th Degree Tampering with Physical Evidence: GUILTY
    (Deleted text messages sent to and received from witnesses)

  75. Kewl says

    NV Todd, despite your recounting of the counts, forgetting to wash your hands after you crap can be made to sound like crimes against humanity, in legal jargon. Notice, nothing you listed is 1st degree. It is at most 2nd degree, and more often 3rd and 4th degree, which suggest a whole lot of inference to me. He’s a 18 year old kid, yes a kid. He was insensitive and did not show proper empathy for someone else, and yes, he took pictures, cause he’s a horny toad. 30 days is appropriate. Calm down. You appear hyper.

  76. Peter M. says

    30 days… what a joke!!!
    And on top of that you have Steven Altman, Mr Ravi’s lawyer, who puts the blame on the gay community for having, according to him, ‘demonised’ Rhavi. Yes, you heard it, the same community who interceded in his favour (several leaders of the gay community did it before the trial), sent letters to the courts (e.g. Rhavi’s lover). Seems to me that this scumbag Rhavi found a lawyer who matches him perfectly.

  77. Kewl says

    George, the past is not the present. There is gradual acceptance and recognition of rights that did not exist previously. Is it a perfect nirvana? No. It will never be. It’s friction and constant tension that allows us to move forward. Slow? Yes. But still moving forward. You seem to want me to confirm my orientation. But i don’t see why I have to. I’m in the community of human beings who recognizes and relishes in the fact that we’re all unique and valuable. And we all have to live in the same society. Ravi was foolish and no doubt has learned the value of thinking before acting. But don’t turn him into a martyr. Neither is Clementi. Tragic story. Lessons learned.

  78. GeorgeM says

    I ment past as in things done and said. I think your orientation does matter because like I said if you’re not you don’t regardless of how much you care and it seems you do.
    I want him to pay for the privacy issues, I don’t personally think he’s learned but that’s not up to me. The probation and record will hang around his neck and it should like it should for all of us.
    If it was a guy and girl I think he should stil face charges, Not just because he was gay. I think the gay community has a right to respond the way it feels it needs to, but within limits. I think NVTODD is feeling the situation differently they others, his right. 1st 2nd or 10th to him a crime is a crime. The judge felt 30days was right, personally I don’t know how I feel. I like that he’ll have a record I think that’s just. Idk

  79. bad PR is still PR says

    I have to admit that my position on punishment was changing more toward leniency – but not to this extreme. My rationale was simply because I wanted to remove him from the cause of Tyler’s death. I acknowledge he did contribute, but there was more going on in Tyler’s head than just this. If he is deported, he would be a hero in India. US or India, job opportunities for him will be extended by people of his community. Lack of remorse and better than thou attitude is not punishable, it just makes him an ass. I think deportation to one of the rural flyer states would effectively isolate him from opportunity and give him a better dose of bias.

  80. GeorgeM says

    BAD: He had other things going on I believe to. He may have gotten more time if they just tried him for privacy violations, evidence and witness tampering.
    But the jury felt more was involved. I think he has a rough road ahead, all of his own doing

  81. John Rechy says

    Only thirty days in jail!–not prison (quite a difference)–to what extent did self-appointed “gay leaders” encourage this parody of a sentence? That any gay person should have in effect “supported” this quintessential bully Ravi is a manifestation of still-clinging self-hatred. Sad, very sad. And shameful

    –John Rechy

  82. NVTodd says

    “KEWL” I don’t care what you say about me.

    That you ignore that anybody else charged and convicted on so many counts wouldn’t get a mere slap on the wrist like this, just like the stupid fagot media whores that have called for leniency all along, got it, and now are too chickenshit to stand by their words – THAT is ALL I need to point out.

    You obviously can live with it and excuse it.

    But don’t tell ME to “clam down”, just because I refuse to buy into the kind of corruption and lame excuses you wallow in.

  83. NVTodd says

    You people are delusional if you think Ravi’s life is somehow ruined by this, and your pity for him and sympathy is disgusting.

    He knew he did something wrong. He destroyed evidence and lied to the police. He intimidated witnesses.

    Pull your heads out of your collective asses, he’s a criminal.

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