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AP: Obama's Gay Marriage Endorsement Didn't Sway Voter Attitudes

The AP is trumpeting an Associated Press-GfK same-sex marriage survey released today as a referendum on Obama's endorsement:

ObamaThe poll found that 42 percent of Americans oppose gay marriage, 40 percent support it and 15 percent are neutral. Last August, the country was similarly divided over whether same-sex couples should be allowed to be legally married in their state, with 45 percent opposing, 42 percent favoring and 10 percent neutral.

They say Obama's endorsement may have had an effect on core supporters, however:

More young people, liberals and Democrats say they strongly approve of Obama’s handling of same-sex marriage than said they did before he disclosed his new position last month.The country’s divisions — and conflictions — are clear in the voices of Americans.

Full poll data, AFTER THE JUMP...

AP-gfk Poll June 2012 Topline Final_ssm

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  1. Well, duh. Americans are eating wet cigarette butts and roaches for dinner tonight because we're all so poor from this Obama economy.

    Obama coming out for gay marriage months before the election has so much fakery in the visual and when it comes down to it, the economy is going to rule the roost come election day.

    Posted by: Alan | Jun 22, 2012 7:41:01 AM


  2. Alan shut the f.uck up old stupid right wing cockm sucker!...He will win! He isn't the ruler of the economy. And how many breaks can he give these damn greedy businesses?

    Posted by: CHRIS DA CHOCOLATEBEARCUB | Jun 22, 2012 7:55:58 AM


  3. And if Americans sre NOT and have not budgeted themselves. That is NOT Obama's fault! But queens like you would like to differ!

    Posted by: CHRIS DA CHOCOLATEBEARCUB | Jun 22, 2012 7:57:23 AM


  4. Um, that is not how you track changes like this. Maybe the earlier poll was a high estimate. Maybe this one was a low one. Maybe the poll's methodology made it disproportionately exclude people highly likely to have their views changed. At the very least, you'd want to look at a poll aggregation.

    Posted by: Fodolodo | Jun 22, 2012 8:29:11 AM


  5. @ Chris Da Coclate,

    Your homophobia needs to finally be exposed on here. You calling a gay man a c--k sucker is NOT okay, no matter how liberal, or black you are. You constantly shove how black people are being discriminated down our throats yet use horrible anti gay slurs on a consistent basis on here. You really then want our community to NOT make an observation about homophobia regarding your community when even the gay members are quick to blow the racism whistle at subtle things, but can't grasp their own homophobia? Your wording is homophobic.

    Posted by: IonMusic | Jun 22, 2012 8:51:13 AM


  6. @IonMusic

    Don't mind Chris Da ChoclateOVERWEIGHTfattie, when he's not spewing homophobia, he's busy screaming racism. The double standard is lost on him because he's too dumb, or occupied stuffing his face to realize that fighting prejudice with prejudice does nothing for your cause. He's waving a "blacks are opressed" banner next to a "homo-blank sucking- f-gs" and the F word is a favorite of his

    Posted by: USC Trojan Fan | Jun 22, 2012 8:53:26 AM


  7. Chris Da Choclatebearcub-

    I too am sick of your whiney, foul, rants drenched in homophobic derogatory terms. You're so quick to give us a "history lesson" on demanding we respect the African American community yet you show no respect to gay members of this site who disagree with you. Put your race card away and learn some respect. You're a far bigger bigot than any so called 'bigot' you try to school.

    Posted by: Steve Jonasen | Jun 22, 2012 8:55:38 AM


  8. Chris,
    STFU. You're a homophobic troll that has a lame 'blog' where you steal commentary from other sites. You have no redeeming qualities. Camping out on this site to make us feel sorry for how much of a martyr you are won't fool any LGBT, when the person is as much of a homophobe like you. Fat troll.

    Posted by: CJ | Jun 22, 2012 8:58:24 AM


  9. I'm glad Chris Da ChoclatBearCub's brand of homophobia is being called out. I don't care how gay you are, words like the F word, c**k s*cker and others he commonly uses to refer to many gay men is inexcusable and ridiculous. It shows great disdain not only for the community, but some deep rooted anger management issues that clearly need confronting.

    This is for all: Iron out your own issues before coming on here and lecturing gay "queens" and "F's" and "c**k s**kers" about what is wrong with them. If you use any of those terms to classify gay men in any of your posts, your issues are far and need treating.

    Posted by: ThisNow | Jun 22, 2012 9:03:12 AM


  10. Agree with Alan. He's failed miserably BECAUSE he was propped up as a savior. He'll be overwhelmingly fired in November. But he can keep his Nobel. (ha, as if he'd give it back)

    Posted by: MarkUs | Jun 22, 2012 9:10:18 AM


  11. Neither CHOCKBEAR nor ALAN will be coming to my parties. Ruination ain't for me.

    Posted by: UFFDA | Jun 22, 2012 9:16:20 AM


  12. CHRIS speaks out against White supremacists homosexuals. And if it takes homophobic slurs to get you worthless attention then that is what we will use.

    You idiot pale faced (pale azzed) b.tches talk about "us Gays" as if Gay equals White. As far as I know, Andy Towle has not proclaimed this a "WHITE ONLY GAY BLOG". Until he does you racist b.tches like IONUMUSIC & USC TrojanFan, Steve Joneson & CJ know that we Black Gays will never back down to your cracka' azzes. We are not in awe of you...ever.

    The feeling of contempt is truly mutual.

    Posted by: Derrick from Philly | Jun 22, 2012 9:38:52 AM


  13. People care about the ECONOMY, not gay this or gay that. Those on the far left are angry with him for being Bush lite, and those on the far right will never like him. Those in the middle want the political parties and politicians to concentrate on the economy and find gay issues a contrived distraction, at best. So I would have to say at the end of the day it will hurt him to a small degree, especially among many Democratic whites and blacks in the south.

    Youth? Youth don't vote in large numbers. You can 'get out the vote' all you want, but youth are too busy doing fun stuff youth do. And I seriously doubt 'youth' are as 'progressive' as some try to make them out to be.

    Posted by: ratbastard | Jun 22, 2012 9:55:19 AM


  14. It's also kind of amusing the president's remarks have so much traction. He didn't say he would politically try and get gay marriage passed at the federal level [there's not much he could do anyway; he's not a dictator]. all he said was he personally approved has 'come around' to approving of gay marriage. That's it. And he waited until his 4th year re-election to say it. Pretty lame stuff actually.

    Posted by: ratbastard | Jun 22, 2012 9:59:41 AM


  15. Derrick from philly,

    If you get to make homophobic slurs to make your points, you better believe the rest of us have every right to then make just as brazen comments about your demographic as well. This idea that black posters can spew their homophobia and gays should just take it is really self entitlement at it's ugliest. We won't!

    Posted by: ThisNow | Jun 22, 2012 10:02:15 AM


  16. You wanna see why black homophobia is so prominenet? Look no further than members of the gay community who are black. They'll be the first to get really homophobic on you if you don't accept their homophobia. And then they want you to not say a word regarding homophobia in that segment of population.

    Posted by: Michael L. | Jun 22, 2012 10:03:57 AM


  17. Derrick From Philly,
    I'm half Colombian half Asian and found your comments disturbing, and pretty much in line with what I read from most black folks toward gays. Black people are the ones who take the first shots at gays. You don't have to be white to recognize that. I'm the LEAST "white" looking guy you'll meet and I know where homophobia boils up most. That you would resort to homophobia to make your point speaks volumes of the homophobia by black people. It's angry facing the truth but it's still the truth and you sadly lived right up to IonMusic's points with your ignorant rant. You think because you're black you can get away with homophobia; you are wrong.

    Posted by: Jay | Jun 22, 2012 10:08:30 AM


  18. Back to the issue here:

    Obama took a stand. For most voters leaning towards Obama that will count for something--how much depends on how passionately one feels about marriage equality. For most voters it's not the primary issue. So in terms of the election, probably a wash, as the poll reflects.

    However, Obama's personal endorsement is significant (not lame at all since it's backed by his DOJ actions etc.) in the historical trajectory towards equality. Whatever happens in the election, he'll go down in history as the President who was in touch with the future, and Mitt Romney will go down as the one who wasn't, the George Wallace of his time. An embarrassment.

    Of course in an election year no one is talking about legacy because the media is completely short-sighted.

    Posted by: Ernie | Jun 22, 2012 10:42:57 AM


  19. It is perplexing how many would take the rantings of an anonymous person and attributes it to an entire community and then decides whether that community should be judged --– “You really then want our community to NOT make an observation about homophobia regarding your community…” Further, this is done as if there are only White Gay Men – “our community” after presumably responding to a Gay Black Men – “your community”. What’s inherent and exclusionary in that statement is that as a Black Gay Man, you are not part of “our community”.

    This door also seems to swing one way. I’m sure there was complete outrage when Dave Savage called GoProud – House F*ggots. Additionally, when Rick makes, what I believe are misogynistic statements, should the gay community be judge by his statements? I am much more concerned with the positions and opinions of an elected official or someone in the decision making position as opposed to the unelected or anonymous internet user.

    Moreover, “White Men” gave us DADT, DOMA, Amendment-1, Don’t Say Gay Bill, No Visitation/Medical Decision-Making rights (prior to 4/2010) just to name a few. Is it then fair to say “White Men” in particular are Homophobic? Would it be fair for me to make “observations” about the community of “White Men”, without distinction?


    Posted by: Belthazar | Jun 22, 2012 10:46:09 AM


  20. Belthazar,
    The black community constantly references other communities as racist, with blanket statements. I'm middle eastern and just recently overheard black women seated near us at a restaurant go on about how Armenians are all racist because they don't marry black women according to them. Black posters on here are notorious for making crude remarks about white gays and generalizing all whites. When cornered and confronted about their homophobia, they say "how DARE you call us out on being homophobic?" filled with anti gay remarks. I'm glad people are finally rising up against it and refusing to stand for teh clear double standard. Homophobia is NOT less offensive than racism, but most black people (gay and straight) have convinced themselves that. That needs addressing.

    Posted by: Kevin | Jun 22, 2012 11:21:58 AM


  21. Belthazar-

    Cultural homophobia can be just as damaging as legislative homophobia. You can slice it any way you want, but culturally, young black men are the most homophobic demographic around. Telling us our experiences with them don't exist and weren't real isn't going to make those experiences disappear. Just as you and Derrick can form conclusions based on your experiences with white gays, non black gays can and will derive conclusions based on their experiences with the black culture, and individuals. That's experiences which is that persons truth. Hard to tell someone their experience is inaccurate.

    Posted by: 2EastCoastDudes | Jun 22, 2012 11:25:37 AM


  22. Thanks for bringing it back to reality @ERNIE.

    Let's look at what Obama actually ran on and what he's always said while in office... He didn't run on gay marriage (that was Hilary). He did run on equal civil/legal rights(i.e. civil unions) which he has always championed. He has always taken a questioning stance on DOMA, due to the fact that marriage is a State's Right issue. He’ right, in fact all marriage laws and licenses are governed by the States and recognized by the Federal government which provides federal benefits based on your State’s license. DOMA is the only reason why married gays can’t get government benefits and get green cards for their significant others. He was always against DADT and managed to actually get it overturned and to move our military into full equality in record time.

    Now all he has recently said, is that he personally has evolved his own beliefs and feels that LGBTs have just as much right to marriage as anyone else. This is political strategy considering he was for Gay Marriage as a senator, but common…4 years ago gay marriage could have lost the first black president the election. So don’t let the media play you into thinking he has made a new declaration against DOMA, he’s always been against DOMA. He had personally mandated that the administration stop enforcing DOMA prior to his new evolution for equality (hence Boehner using tax payer funding and congressional force to fight the lawsuits against DOMA).

    The economy is not completely in Obama’s control. But he has made impressive strides to try and fix it and support the unemployed. I have yet to see Republicans do anything but say NO and filibuster Democrat attempts. Romney is not on our side and I truly believe that his policies (whatever they happen to be today…flip flopper) would actually hurt the economy and increase the already exacerbated income inequality gap.

    So me thinks all you haters don’t actually follow politics, have short term memory, and have always hated Obama. Go ahead, vote for Romney set us back 4 years. Thanks.

    Posted by: DRG | Jun 22, 2012 12:03:50 PM


  23. Thanks for bringing it back to reality @ERNIE.

    Let's look at what Obama actually ran on and what he's always said while in office... He didn't run on gay marriage (that was Hilary). He did run on equal civil/legal rights(i.e. civil unions) which he has always championed. He has always taken a questioning stance on DOMA, due to the fact that marriage is a State's Right issue. He’ right, in fact all marriage laws and licenses are governed by the States and recognized by the Federal government which provides federal benefits based on your State’s license. DOMA is the only reason why married gays can’t get government benefits and get green cards for their significant others. He was always against DADT and managed to actually get it overturned and to move our military into full equality in record time.

    Now all he has recently said, is that he personally has evolved his own beliefs and feels that LGBTs have just as much right to marriage as anyone else. This is political strategy considering he was for Gay Marriage as a senator, but common…4 years ago gay marriage could have lost the first black president the election. So don’t let the media play you into thinking he has made a new declaration against DOMA, he’s always been against DOMA. He had personally mandated that the administration stop enforcing DOMA prior to his new evolution for equality (hence Boehner using tax payer funding and congressional force to fight the lawsuits against DOMA).

    The economy is not completely in Obama’s control. But he has made impressive strides to try and fix it and support the unemployed. I have yet to see Republicans do anything but say NO and filibuster Democrat attempts. Romney is not on our side and I truly believe that his policies (whatever they happen to be today…flip flopper) would actually hurt the economy and increase the already exacerbated income inequality gap.

    So me thinks all you haters don’t actually follow politics, have short term memory, and have always hated Obama. Go ahead, vote for Romney set us back 4 years. Thanks.

    Posted by: DRG | Jun 22, 2012 12:04:42 PM


  24. Ignorance, is not limited to one race. CHRIS DA CHOCOLATEBEARCUB deserved to be called out. However, when a posting earlier this week spoke of the opportunity missed by not rounding up all the blacks in an encampment of sorts. Did not garner the same level of response. How does that speak to enlightened, modern ideals?

    Posted by: Carletonart | Jun 22, 2012 12:52:34 PM


  25. Not wanting to misquote anyone, I searched for the quotes that I used as an example in my earlier comment.They prove no such thing. Serial killers are proportionately represented across all races and ethnicities. In Africa most serial killers [if they caught or noticed, which is unlikely] are black, in Asia, Asian, in majority 'white' countries, white. Law enforcement in first world societies are far more capable and accountable than in 2nd and 3rd world societies, so naturally you'll hear about more serial killers in an advanced 1st world society like the U.S.

    But statistically, serial killers are rare, and only get a lot of publicity because they are rare and unusual. Most murders in the U.S. are committed in urban areas and involve young minority males. This is an absolute fact. And in fact, this kind of murder is so common and typical, very few pay any attention anymore. Sorry to burst anyone's bubble.

    I'll say it again: black males in the last DOJ/FBI released stats, made up over 50% of homicide perps in the U.S., even though they make up only about 6% of the U.S. population, young males even less than that. White and Asian males proportionately make up a far smaller percentage of murderers, relative to their over-all percentage of the population.

    It is what it is.

    Posted by: ratbastard | Jun 12, 2012 12:26:27 PM
    If this country hadn't been forced to integrate we'd have this black problem under control.

    Posted by: ratbastard | Jun 12, 2012 12:40:12 PM

    Posted by: Carletonart | Jun 22, 2012 2:04:44 PM


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