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Does It Matter If the Israeli Gay Soldier Photo Was Staged?

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Is it the thought that counts?

The UK Guardian:

By noon on Wednesday it had been "liked" almost 10,000 times and had attracted more than 1,400 comments. But the Times of Israel news website claimed the photograph was misleading, saying: "The two soldiers in the photo are not a couple, only one of the two is gay, and both the soldiers serve in the IDF spokesperson's office."

A spokesman for the IDF refused to answer a direct question on whether the photograph had been staged, saying it was irrelevant to the military's attitudes to homosexuality.

"The photo reflects the IDF's open-minded attitude towards soldiers of all sexual orientations," it said in a statement. "The IDF respects the privacy of the soldiers featured [in] the photograph, and will not comment on their identities. The IDF prides itself on its integration of gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender soldiers, which it says "stands out in comparison to other militaries worldwide".

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  1. Well, yes - obviously it's the thought that counts when the picture is intended for a PR purpose. Even more power to the straight soldier for wanting to appear in the photo.

    Posted by: Wolfi | Jun 13, 2012 11:31:58 AM


  2. Who cares? Nice bums!

    Posted by: Peter | Jun 13, 2012 11:37:49 AM


  3. I agree with the comment above. The fact that a straight soldier was cool with being in the picture is demonstrative of just how open and accepting many of their military's members are towards the gay community.

    Posted by: Michael | Jun 13, 2012 11:44:19 AM


  4. Of course it doesn't matter. It's an ad.

    Posted by: Sean in Dallas | Jun 13, 2012 11:47:59 AM


  5. Does it matter that they are probably on their way to throw Palestinians out of their homes, or starve old women and children, or murder people or otherwise trample the right of Palestinians.

    A terrorist gay person is still a terrorist.

    Posted by: ndc | Jun 13, 2012 12:01:04 PM


  6. Does it matter that they are probably on their way to throw Palestinians out of their homes, or starve old women and children, or murder people or otherwise trample the right of Palestinians.

    A terrorist gay person is still a terrorist.

    Posted by: ndc | Jun 13, 2012 12:01:04 PM


  7. wow...NDC liked his/her comment so much they said it twice.

    Please show me a picture of a starving palestonian...all the pictures I've seen they look pretty fat and healthy...
    go drink some more kool-aid and try to educate yourself and not believe propaganda.

    Posted by: Myackie | Jun 13, 2012 12:05:41 PM


  8. some pictures of the starvation

    http://paltimes.net/new/ar/gallery/showalbum/16971/%D8%B5%D9%88%D8%B1-%D8%A8%D8%AD%D8%B1-%D8%BA%D8%B2%D8%A9-%D9%8A%D8%B3%D8%AA%D9%82%D8%A8%D9%84-%D8%A3%D9%87%D9%84%D9%87%D8%A7-%D8%A8%D8%AD%D8%B1%D8%A7%D8%B1%D8%A9.html

    Posted by: Myackie | Jun 13, 2012 12:12:03 PM


  9. Uh... of course it "matters". They staged a photo and implied it was just the way things are. It's called propaganda. I hope, but doubt, it reflects reality.

    Posted by: BobN | Jun 13, 2012 12:13:35 PM


  10. The Guardian is an Israel-hating, left-wing moonbat mouthpiece. No surprise they would attack Israel, attack the only country in the Middle East that is a champion gay rights leader. Shameful.

    Posted by: Alan | Jun 13, 2012 12:26:26 PM


  11. "Please show me a picture of a starving palestonian...all the pictures I've seen they look pretty fat and healthy..."

    "Go drink some more kool-aid and try to educate yourself and not believe propaganda"

    Hey, Myackie, instead of talking through your @ss, why not try getting up off it and living and working over there like I have? Then you might actually see what utter rubbish you're typing - propaganda can cut both ways or did that never occur to you? Or maybe you just made up your mind that "Israel = Good; rest of Middle East = Bad" and decided to stick with that no matter what.

    I despair about this country sometimes, I really do. Or perhaps, you're viewing from your nice new settlement in illegally occupied Palestinian territory?

    Posted by: mynci_bone | Jun 13, 2012 12:31:07 PM


  12. so Mynci defends arabs who routinely execute gays just for being gay? fine...you're clearly one of those self-hating fags...I am NOT! I will defend a country that protects gay citizens...you clearly feel that you are not worthy...see a shrink you twit.

    Posted by: Myackie | Jun 13, 2012 12:38:26 PM


  13. I think there's some cultural misunderstanding at work here. Also, are most people aware Israel has huge non-Jewish population, roughly 1/3rd the total population?

    Posted by: ratbastard | Jun 13, 2012 12:44:04 PM


  14. I think there's some cultural misunderstanding at work here. Also, are most people aware Israel has huge non-Jewish population, roughly 1/3rd the total population?

    Posted by: ratbastard | Jun 13, 2012 12:44:12 PM


  15. No, it doesn't matter. “The Times of Israel” doesn’t document how they “know” only one of the men is gay. But, even if it’s true, even if BOTH are straight, “staged” photos are common to every government agency in the world. The more important point is that the Israeli government CHOSE to CELEBRATE gay service members in some way while, sadly, our Department of Defense is still only paying lip service to appreciating our own—where's THEIR official photo celebrating the end of DADT?—while simultaneously CHOOSING to discriminate against them. E.g., while other federal agencies have officially sanctioned Pride Month events, the Pentagon has none. And, even after repeal, gay service members are OFFICIALLY and ARBITRARILY banned from inclusion in diversity appreciation programs of the Defense Equal Opportunity Management Institute that has celebrated, e.g., Black History Month, Women’s History Month, etc., for years with special events and posters [such as those at the link below] distributed to our bases and ships around the world. [The IDF’s publishing of this photo, regardless of the Kinsey status of those photographed is the same kind of thing.] Further, our gay troops are OFFICIALLY and ARBITRARILY banned from the protections against harassment and discrimination under the Military Equal Opportunity Program that, again, straight blacks, women, and members of ethnic, religious, and political groups automatically get. Finally, contrary to the myth, not ALL partner same-sex partner benefits are banned by DOMA yet, for instance, gay military couples are OFFICIALLY and ARBITRARILY banned from access to military family housing.

    http://deomi.org/SpecialObservance/posters_category.cfm

    Posted by: Michael Bedwell | Jun 13, 2012 12:56:02 PM


  16. The PR campaign's caption said:
    "It's Pride Month. Did you know that the IDF treats all of its soldiers equally?"

    No, it does NOT matter whether the models in the photo are gay, straight or bi, actual soldiers or models dressed for the picture, or whether they're a couple, friends, brothers, or complete strangers who met for the photo shoot.

    I actually found Towleroad's chosen headline yesterday (calling them a gay couple) to be presumptuous when I read it. Nothing suggests they are a couple; all we know is that they are two guys holding each others' hands and that the IDF wants to let us know that they don't have a problem with that.
    This is an ad. When people watch a Tide commercial in which a woman washes a man's shirt, do they feel deceived to learn that the actor and actress don't live together in real life?

    Posted by: Gregv | Jun 13, 2012 1:01:34 PM


  17. I actually think it says more for Israel's attitude of gays in the military that only one of the soldiers was gay and the straight soldier believed in the cause enough to pose.

    Posted by: topdawgbombadil | Jun 13, 2012 1:09:47 PM


  18. "so Mynci defends arabs who routinely execute gays just for being gay? fine...you're clearly one of those self-hating fags...I am NOT! I will defend a country that protects gay citizens...you clearly feel that you are not worthy...see a shrink you twit."

    Ummm... No, Myackie, not what I said: by the reasoning in your last post, you'd have defended Nazi Germany if only it had been good to the gays.

    But that's ridiculous, isn't it? And not at all what you meant? On that much we agree (I hope). I respect Israel's position on gay rights (and on many other issues) but I don't therefore give them carte blanche to do what they like or absolve them from the many abuses they have committed at times.

    It's not black-and-white, it's not cops-and-robbers; you need to grow up a little and - if you're one of the few of my compatriots who even owns a passport - try using it and traveling a little to see real life first hand without the propaganda that's issued from BOTH sides.

    Best wishes - and not self-hating, btw... Not me using the term "fag" as one of abuse! O_o

    Posted by: mynci_bone | Jun 13, 2012 1:13:16 PM


  19. I assumed it was staged. So what? If it was an actual candid shot then there would be a creepy/stalker Big Brother surveillance-state aspect to consider.

    Posted by: Anastasia Beaverhausen | Jun 13, 2012 1:17:39 PM


  20. @Myackie

    "I will defend a country that protects gay citizens..."

    I'd much rather defend a country that protects the rights of ALL citizens. It's not just your rights you should be concerned with promoting and protecting, but the rights of your fellow human beings.

    So applaud Israel all you want for protecting gay rights, but don't forget to chastise them for creating and maintaining a second-class of people.

    There is nothing wrong with being objective and recognizing the negatives as well as the positives.... regardless of whether the subject of objectivity is your beloved Israel.

    Posted by: TommyOC | Jun 13, 2012 1:30:01 PM


  21. @Myackie

    "I will defend a country that protects gay citizens..."

    I'd much rather defend a country that protects the rights of ALL citizens. It's not just your rights you should be concerned with promoting and protecting, but the rights of your fellow human beings.

    So applaud Israel all you want for protecting gay rights, but don't forget to chastise them for creating and maintaining a second-class of people.

    There is nothing wrong with being objective and recognizing the negatives as well as the positives.... regardless of whether the subject of objectivity is your beloved Israel.

    Posted by: TommyOC | Jun 13, 2012 1:30:01 PM


  22. @Myackie

    "I will defend a country that protects gay citizens..."

    I'd much rather defend a country that protects the rights of ALL citizens. It's not just your rights you should be concerned with promoting and protecting, but the rights of your fellow human beings.

    So applaud Israel all you want for protecting gay rights, but don't forget to chastise them for creating and maintaining a second-class of people.

    There is nothing wrong with being objective and recognizing the negatives as well as the positives.... regardless of whether the subject of objectivity is your beloved Israel.

    Posted by: TommyOC | Jun 13, 2012 1:30:01 PM


  23. I know, because the Jordanian or Egyptian or Syrian or Palestinian ads would feature REAL gay men in committed couples, right?

    Or maybe the Iranian one? You know, in which the two gay men would be hanging from nooses.

    Cause that would be better?

    Posted by: Jeff NYC | Jun 13, 2012 1:58:44 PM


  24. The zionist bukerstadt has no legitimacy at all.

    Posted by: Bill Perdue | Jun 13, 2012 2:00:17 PM


  25. It was staged by the IDF to show how gay friendly they are?
    Didn't the original article mention how there is still a very worrying level of homophobia in the military?
    I would like to hear from some actual gay soldiers.

    Posted by: Mk Ultra | Jun 13, 2012 2:08:41 PM


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