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Adam Kokesh Has a Few Thoughts on the NFL and Gay Players: VIDEO

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Self-described "Libertarian propagandist" and anti-war activist and Iraq veteran-turned-radio host Adam Kokesh sounded off this week on the NFL and its "artifical paragon of masculinity" that won't provide an environment in which a player can comfortably come out of the closet.

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  1. WOOF! Sorry, what was he saying?

    Posted by: Lucas | Jun 15, 2012 1:56:01 PM


  2. Umm... he's smokin' hot.

    Posted by: Lucas | Jun 15, 2012 1:59:19 PM


  3. I agree, damn hot.

    Posted by: CHAD | Jun 15, 2012 2:00:34 PM


  4. well done, actually. and he's right. the "artificial paragon(s) of masculinity" are a legit threat to insecure people.

    insecure gay-hating straight men don't want to think that there are "gays" in their ranks, be it football or the military.

    they didn't like the idea that a woman could be useful in combat, either.

    these are the wimps who need to think that gay men are afraid of them. and as long as the gay men in pro-sports refuse to come out, they're sort of proving them right.

    football and the military - rough n'tumble and all that jazz. and they're afraid that this thing they feel defines them and defines masculinity will be "compromised" by gay people. which makes no sense.

    he also touches on something i've always been puzzled by with pro-sports - team pride in cities. cheering on "the home team" when there's no one from the home town on the team. i've never understood that.

    Posted by: LittleKiwi | Jun 15, 2012 2:05:34 PM


  5. I can't play the video at work so all I can say is those arms and that tank are all working for me.

    Posted by: kirkyo | Jun 15, 2012 2:17:23 PM


  6. He was much cuter and coherent before he dropped into crazy-town of late.

    Posted by: Mike in Houston | Jun 15, 2012 2:37:08 PM


  7. A good trim to the beard and he'll be ready to go!

    Posted by: Jack M | Jun 15, 2012 2:38:46 PM


  8. Yeah, protesting war was good. He's def meaty.

    Posted by: Bans Gender | Jun 15, 2012 2:43:37 PM


  9. "the NFL and its "artifical paragon of masculinity" that won't provide an environment in which a player can comfortably come out of the closet."

    That's not what he said.

    Regardless, it was an incoherent ramble that was not really worth the 8 minutes required to listen to it.

    Men are changing; the male culture is changing. The timeless standards of masculinity will remain intact, as they should, but they will be altered so that sexual orientation, per se, in no longer regarded as a marker of masculinity.

    And it should not be, as many men who have engaged in sex with other men have demonstrated the same embrace of masculine values that heterosexual men have--and have succeded in masculine pursuits, both historical figures like Alexander the Great and Julius Caesar and contemporary figures like the athletes and soldiers who have come out.

    We are in a process of change and change takes time--even 20 years ago, NFL officials and players would not even have been willing to discuss this issue.

    Gay men who embrace masculine values will increasingly find acceptance, just as "straight" men will find that the willingness to drop heterosexuality or emotional attachment to women as criteria for masculinity frees them and makes their lives better rather than worse.

    On the other hand, gay men who continue to idolize women in preference to men and embrace the culture of effeminacy that is the expression of that mindset will continue to be outcasts, as they should be.

    Posted by: Rick | Jun 15, 2012 2:50:18 PM


  10. And gay men who hate "effeminate gay males" will die alone in their closets, just like their dads wanted :D

    Posted by: LittleKiwi | Jun 15, 2012 3:09:26 PM


  11. Way to go kiwi, way to stay at rick's level.

    This (hot) guy is a teaparty nutjob. As always from these kinds of rants, they are done bombastically with little factual information and lots of emotionally dyed talking points. Great for if you want to reinforce a similar emotionally tainted belief, bad for thoughtful discussion. But hey, it's a radio show.

    Oddly I agree with some of what rick said, peoples, they are a changin.

    Posted by: Fenrox | Jun 15, 2012 3:17:45 PM


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    Posted by: darren | Jun 15, 2012 3:31:31 PM


  13. The looks and the four sylable words totally had me, until I remebered that he's a libertarian dingbat. What a disappointment.

    Posted by: Wilberforce | Jun 15, 2012 4:07:30 PM


  14. Rick, why should effeminate men be outcasts? I'm just curious as to the root of your disdain for anything feminine? Fear, I'm guessing.. And insecurity.. what threat do feminine men pose? If you are simply annoyed by effeminate men, then I can understand that. Queeny boys annoy me too but I hold nothing against them, I simply don't hang around them... You should really see a therapist to deal with your issues, you'll be infinitely happier I promise!

    Posted by: Lucas | Jun 15, 2012 5:00:24 PM


  15. I agree if he trimmed the beard he would be hotter- nice masculine voice- and he is right about gays in the NFL

    Posted by: jaragon | Jun 15, 2012 5:09:43 PM


  16. Adam Kokesk, I love how you tease the American sports industry, now can I tease your furry moobs and chinny-chin-chin.

    Posted by: StevyD | Jun 15, 2012 5:29:13 PM


  17. It's Pride Month, Rick, why are you acting all ashamed of your fellow gays??

    Also, Lucas #1, I wasn't trying to copy your initial comment or your name...I didn't even see your post until after I'd submitted mine, and you beat me to the punch by 3 minutes!

    Masculinity in gay culture is kind of an interesting subject though, but its probably full of landmines due to our own internal biases and issues in my opinion.

    Ah well. I made it through all...however many minutes of Adam Kokesh's video. He makes interesting points... yadda yadda. :)

    Posted by: The Other Lucas | Jun 15, 2012 5:50:42 PM


  18. And one more thing on Pride and "effiminate men". Wasn't it a bunch of drag queens who started the Stonewall riot, which kickstarted Pride festivals?? Those girly-men fought the police for your rights, dude. You should be honoring them.

    Posted by: The Other Lucas | Jun 15, 2012 5:54:58 PM


  19. interesting view on masculinity...happen to agree with him, and esp about the rugby...the gay community certainly has issues with what it means to be a man, not just the straights: read any post here and note the vicious war between the fems and the butch; we can be our own worst enemies. Thanks, Adam.

    Posted by: Jay | Jun 15, 2012 6:50:40 PM


  20. @Rick

    What confuses me about your argument is that you treat masculinity as "timeless" and yet talk about how things are changing. Your argument is just as convoluted. Allowance that sexual orientation needs to be untangled from masculinity (or femininity for that matter) is part of a broader decoupling of assumed idealized roles and behaviours. This isn't for the sake of destruction, but like you said to free us all and to our benefit. The ideals aren't terrible by themselves, though they are when carried to an extreme.

    Standards of sexuality, gender, and masculinity/femininity change; the values of historical cultures and extreme subcultures are not things we all need to adhere to. Perceiving someone else as "effeminate" doesn't make them weak or subject to judgement.

    Adam's point seems to be that the artifice of masculinity is tied to the people that believe it and the structures in place that glorify it. Seeing the humanity in people like yourself is easy, seeing it in someone that isn't can be too.

    Posted by: Keith | Jun 15, 2012 8:12:20 PM


  21. God... the "debate" about masculinity, homosexuality, effeminacy, "gay minstrels", and the impulse to homogenize a gay identity reaches its absolute most tedious pinnacle on the comment threads of towleroad. What a shame.

    Posted by: michaelofthegreen | Jun 15, 2012 8:47:48 PM


  22. Yeah..MANY gay men are feme, and MANY gay men are masculine. This idea that femme men need to be treated differently is ridiculous, vile and truly homophobic. No gay person demand equality for being different can then turn and cast a stone on a feminine gay man for being different as well. Diversity means that and it includes the butch lesbian minding their own business, and the fem gay living his life. Don't like it? tough.

    Posted by: Dynex | Jun 15, 2012 9:02:24 PM


  23. Let's just tackle the elephant in the room. Gay men with an unhealthy obsession with masculinity are usually battling Daddy issues. I've been in the community for over 30 years. The men who have to belittle fem gays are battling some internal scar they haven't yet addressed, and when you sit down and actually talk to them, it almost always relates back to their father or lack thereof. Enough with brushing their egos. Masculine gay men who belittle fem acting gays sure don't mind hurting feelings themselves. Time to call them what they are.

    Posted by: Steve-ATL | Jun 15, 2012 9:14:16 PM


  24. My favorite is the term "str8 acting"

    Really? You're "straight acting"? If you're so straight acting why the HELL are you not pounding p*ssy? A truly straight acting man wouldn't be on a gay oriented website (like male for male on craigslist or Adam 4 adam) announcing how "straight ACTING" he is. Emphasis on ACTING.

    Posted by: Martin | Jun 15, 2012 9:15:41 PM


  25. The fixation on masculinity some gay men have is a fascinating one, but often frustrating. You have a block of people who demand to be treated fairly for not having a standard behavior (in that they are gay) and demand heterosexuals treat them with kindness and respect for being against the standard (which is being straight). But then some within the same demographic have no issues taunting, slamming and bashing others who are different due to innate mannerisms. As another poster said above, preaching for equality and demanding respect all while you go and attack others for being different (butch lesbians or fem gays) is a counter productive message. You either ARE for people being true to who they are and fulfilling their happiness, or you yourself don't deserve the respect from mass society for being gay that you so eagerly demand. Just a thought.

    Posted by: Straightwithgaybro | Jun 15, 2012 9:19:32 PM


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