1. gregory brown says

    What would that old homophilic suppressed pederast Baden-Powell say about this?

    What position do other nations’ Scouting orgs take on this matter?

  2. jamal49 says

    Was anyone really surprised by the BSA’s announcement that they would not permit neither scouts nor scout masters who are ” pen or avowed homosexuals or who engage in behavior that would become a distraction to the mission of the B.S.A.”?

    If anyone was, then they are more naive than they deserve to be.

    The BSA has and always will be an evangelical christian organisation. Its committees are top-heavy with a “who’s who” of leading evangelicals, right-wing extremists and, as such, will NEVER EVER change its blatantly homophobic and discriminatory policy.

    Zach Wahls and other critics are right about the lack of openness in the final decision to exclude gays but the BSA is a private organisation, privately funded by a myriad of wealthy right-wing businesses and conservative extremist activists. Therefore, they don’t have to be open about anything.

    Evil works best in the dark.

    So, let’s move on. It’s a waste of time as far as I’m concerned.

    In the case of the BSA, Groucho Marx’s axiom holds true.

  3. Charlie says

    I’ve never liked the policy that Boy Scouts can reject people that are gay. But I also don’t like the fact that they discriminate on the basis of religion. (They don’t allow atheists.)

    If they continue their current policies they will become increasingly marginalized. Eventually even Republican Presidents will decline to have their name associated with the organization. They may become a regional group rather than a national group. If they were smart they would put the issue of who can participate in scouting under the control of their regional offices.

  4. Simon says

    Exposing bigotry with the bible :

    Hatred is the greatest sin which goes against the greatest commandments of Christ. In the Parable of the Good Samaritan, Christ has clearly mentioned that the way to have eternal life for his followers is through his commandments to love God and to love your neighbor as yourself. He has mentioned that those laws are above all other biblical laws of any other prophets.

    Homophobes promoting hatred are antiChrist who do not believe or pretend to believe in Jesus Christ but do not acknowledge Christ’s commandments to love God and to love thy neighbor as thyself, to be the highest of all biblical laws. The antiChrist, like the devil, is a master of quoting biblical verses except those 2 top commandments of love from Christ, they avoid using Christ’s name but use other names, even ‘God’, to bring all sort of biblical verses or ‘facts’, to lie and to prove their justification to hate. AntiChrist deceive people that those 2 commandments of love were not above all laws for Christians, and they are around in many organizations pretending to be of ‘religious’ or ‘conservative’ faith.

    The issue of homosexuality, same sex marriage and many other issues (sexual/non sexual) are different forms of a test of the Christian faith on that choice of who they really believe in the end, to love (Christ and His greatest commandments) or to hate (succumb to temptation of verses NOT from Christ’s greatest commandments to justify their hatred through discrimination).

  5. says

    Fairminded parents across the nation should pull their sons from this organization immediately. And, rest assured, the BSA will be watched more closely than ever to ensure that the organization receives no tax payer funding including the use of public buildings.

  6. bobbyjoe says

    Hmmm, decisions being made by secretive councils. Sounds a lot like a particular Utah-based cult I can think of. One might almost think they’d taken over the Boy Scouts. But, gosh, that couldn’t have happened, could it?

  7. Caliban says

    @Jamal49, I don’t know what connections the BSA has with Evangelicals but they certainly have strong connections with the Mormons. A huge percentage of the BSA’s funding comes from them and there are official BSA merit badges that are Mormon-specific.

    It’s kind of interesting how buddy/buddy the Evangelicals and Mormons have become just recently since for many decades, probably since convicted con-man Joseph Smith pulled the LDS church out of his hat, Evangelicals hated the Mormon church and called it a non-Christian cult. And they were right. The Book Of Mormon is like an unauthorized sequel to a bestseller, one that has some of the same characters but changes the back-story and cosmology. It’s not “canon.” Jesus is IN the BOM but so much has been changed he’s not the same. Jesus shows up on South Park but that doesn’t make SP a “Christian” show, now does it?

  8. anon says

    Wahls may have fallen for the wrong guy here. There are other fish in the sea.

    The absurdity of the BSA is that we’ve repealed DADT, which means the pseudo-military aspects of the BSA are incongruent with the org they are trying to emulate. If the public is okay with gays in the military, it should be okay with gays in the BSA. Where’s the polling on this? Where is the NY Times on this?

  9. Steven Hite says

    Scout Oath, On my Honor, I will do my best, to do my duty, to God and my country, to obey the Scout Law, to help other people at all times, and to keep my self, physically strong, mentally awake and MORALLY STRAIGHT.

    As far as SImon in Exposing the Bigotry is concerned, God-Jesus HATES SIN. God said that homosexuals were to be PUT TO DEATH. Yes, you are to love your neighbor, and tough love is telling them that their sin is leading them to hell. The must repent, just like any other adulterer, and get right with God. Not telling someone that their sin is wrong and leading them to hell is not loving them. As a matter of a fact, the Bible says if you don’t tell them, you will be held responsible for them going to hell. Simon needs to read all of his Bible.

  10. Kyle says

    @ Steven Hite

    Anyone who takes seriously the parts of the Bible that suggest we ought to put someone to death (for any reason) doesn’t have a single loving bone in their body. Furthermore, it’s not anyone’s job to correct anyone else, a point Jesus drove home often:

    John 8:7
    They kept demanding an answer, so he stood up again and said, “All right, but let the one who has never sinned throw the first stone!”

    Matthew 7:1-4
    “Do not judge others, and you will not be judged. For you will be treated as you treat others. The standard you use in judging is the standard by which you will be judged. And why worry about a speck in your friend’s eye when you have a log in your own? How can you think of saying to your friend, ‘Let me help you get rid of that speck in your eye,’ when you can’t see past the log in your own eye?”

    For the record, I’m not even a Christian. But if you’re going to cite a source (i.e., the Bible) as a reason for taking a course of action, it’s blatantly bigoted to disregard the sections typically considered more important, parables from the “Son of God” Himself, The Dude Who Died For Your Sins, in favor of much older, lesser sections written by mortal prophets in order to further your own hateful agenda.

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