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Brian Brown After Dan Savage Dinner: 'Power Is Being Exercised By A Minority'

Brian-brown-angryBrian Brown is not a very gracious guest. Following his much-publicized dinner with Dan Savage and husband Terry Miller at their home, the National Organization for Marriage president took to the internet to claim that Savage and other "sexual minorities" are wielding too much power against the Bible's wishes.

He also offers a convoluted theory on why the Bible cannot be used to justify slavery, but can be used against LGBT people.

Here is a snippet, via ThinkProgress:

Christian teaching and practice was never rooted in racism, but in the radical equality of all people and peoples before God. The American South, under slavery, was the exception to the rule—which is one reason why, when challenged, the belief that Christianity can justify not only slavery but also racism, failed abjectly and is now a dead idea. That was Rev. Martin Luther King, Jr.’s great triumph.

But sexual morality and marriage are quite different. Here we have the broad consistent sweep of the authoritative teaching of Christ and the Christian church he founded, recorded in the Bible, and in Christian teaching and practice across the centuries. Here we have something core to the Christian faith, and as I told Dan Savage, it’s not going to go away just because he doesn’t like it.[...]

Something about that dynamic captures what we all see at work at this point in the gay marriage debate. Power is being exercised by a minority, which denies it has the power it is exercising, and denies what we see happening in front of us: this power is being used to label and demonize all who disagree, no matter how relentlessly civilized we are, no matter that we uphold gay people’s real fundamental civil rights.

As Zack Ford notes, Brown in one breathe says the Bible's teachings on racism and slavery were rightfully debunked, yet then uses the same twisted argument to justify his hateful ideology.

Writes Ford, "He concedes that the attempt to defend slavery with the Bible failed, but is unwilling to admit that his own defense of inequality with the Bible could fail just as easily (and does)." Well, Brown can't very well admit that his entire ideological persona is built on unstable ground, right?

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  1. Oh, no! Power being exercised by minorities! Heavens to Betsy -- grab the smelling salts!!! Only straight, white men should have any power over anything. The Bible tells me so!

    Posted by: kit | Aug 24, 2012 10:38:49 AM


  2. The argument is not about someone's "faith". It's NOT about any religion. It's about equality under the law. NOM and FRC and all the other hate groups are sending up this smoke screen of "faith" and "Christianity". It's about Civil Law.

    Posted by: Sargon Bighorn | Aug 24, 2012 10:41:06 AM


  3. The beauty of the Constitution is I, as a Christian, do not have to live under his brand of faith.

    Posted by: Gus | Aug 24, 2012 10:46:17 AM


  4. SO much of what is coming from them lately reeks of such desperation. Their argument defies logic. The plain fact of the matter is that no matter what YOUR religious beliefs are you cannot force them on others who may not share those beliefs. It means YOU can't do that thing. How hard is that to understand? Hopping up and down about what your religion supposedly tells YOU not to do? Don't do that. Leave everyone else alone.

    Posted by: AJ | Aug 24, 2012 10:46:22 AM


  5. "It says what we say it says because we say so."

    Posted by: Anastasia Beaverhausen | Aug 24, 2012 10:47:28 AM


  6. Mr. Brown also indicates a misunderstanding of the Bible. All references to anything conceivably referring to same-sex relations are in the Old Testament. Jesus never said anything related to that subject. Thus Mr. Brown's statement that his point of view is supported by the "authoritative teaching of Christ . . . ." is clearly nothing more than intentionally inflammatory rhetoric. That is, unless he is the moron he appears to be. In that case, it may not be intentional, just ignorance.

    Posted by: Craig Bailey | Aug 24, 2012 10:51:47 AM


  7. Mr. Brown also indicates a misunderstanding of the Bible. All references to anything conceivably referring to same-sex relations are in the Old Testament. Jesus never said anything related to that subject. Thus Mr. Brown's statement that his point of view is supported by the "authoritative teaching of Christ . . . ." is clearly nothing more than intentionally inflammatory rhetoric. That is, unless he is the moron he appears to be. In that case, it may not be intentional, just ignorance.

    Posted by: Craig Bailey | Aug 24, 2012 10:51:47 AM


  8. That debate was a shitshow for Brown. The moment he said "Just because you don't agree with something doesn't mean you make it illegal" is the moment even HE knew he lost

    Posted by: Cody | Aug 24, 2012 10:52:59 AM


  9. I'm still waiting for the media to pick up on his quote from the dinner:

    "Just because you believe something is wrong, it doesn't mean that you make it illegal."

    In regards to divorce.
    Doesn't his own quote kind of sink his entire organization?

    Posted by: JimmyD | Aug 24, 2012 10:54:39 AM


  10. That pic, again.

    Posted by: Matt26 | Aug 24, 2012 10:58:54 AM


  11. Every time I see that photo, I think, "that invisible penis he's snacking on must be really tough and chewy".

    Posted by: FuryOfFirestorm | Aug 24, 2012 10:59:43 AM


  12. "Just because we don't like something, doesn't mean we can make it illegal" I believe this ALSO came out of his mouth at the dinner/debate. THis statement sounds scared. IT hints a the platform for Nazism. If you change LGBT to Jews, you get a taste of Hitlers politics, rooted in racism, bigotry and fear.

    Posted by: pdxblueyes | Aug 24, 2012 11:01:25 AM


  13. Forgive this man. He will die one day.

    Posted by: Alejo | Aug 24, 2012 11:01:55 AM


  14. Forgive this man. He will die one day.

    Posted by: Alejo | Aug 24, 2012 11:01:57 AM


  15. I just love these hypocritical smorgasbord christians. Of course the bible, the immutable word of god, defends slavery (you just have to treat them nice-like), polygamy, burnt offerings, and a whole host of other things that we find objectionable today. Where is it written that god said "Ignore those verses-I've changed my mind on the subject."?

    Posted by: cbhermey | Aug 24, 2012 11:02:07 AM


  16. "Here we have the broad consistent sweep of the authoritative teaching of Christ and the Christian church he founded, recorded in the Bible, and in Christian teaching and practice across the centuries. Here we have something core to the Christian faith."

    Doesn't he know that is EXACTLY what the bible thumpers used to say about racism?

    And "Christian teaching and practice was rooted ... in the radical equality of all people and peoples before God."

    Isn't that an argument FOR marriage equality, for equality in general? Or does it just apply to race (as Brown implies)?

    Posted by: KevinVT | Aug 24, 2012 11:05:45 AM


  17. I just have to say this: I feel I was privileged in my life to doubt Christianity from the moment I heard about it. I have looked at it objectively my entire life and I gotta say, I just don't get it. The central crux of Christianity is the crucifixion story which is supposed to be so moving and awe-inspiring. I think it's gross, violent, barbaric and weird. It's far from inspirational, even symbolically speaking.

    Posted by: AJ | Aug 24, 2012 11:12:03 AM


  18. Just hurry and die already and stop annoying the atmosphere with your insanity and bad hair

    Posted by: Troy | Aug 24, 2012 11:23:11 AM


  19. isn't it great that we have separation of church and state in this country? Wait..

    I could care less what the bible says about homosexuality. It's a fairy tale and it would be nice if bible thumpers would stop constantly shoving their bibles down our throats!

    Posted by: Luke | Aug 24, 2012 11:40:32 AM


  20. Brian Brown says the following:

    "Here we have the broad consistent sweep of the authoritative teaching of Christ and the Christian church he founded...."

    Mr. Brown, please permit me to correct you on a couple of points:

    The first: in the "authoritative teaching of Christ", Jesus makes absolutely NO reference--not once--to homosexuality. Neither did Jesus makes any moral pronouncements thereof.

    The second: neither in the Bible nor in anything Jesus taught or spoke during his ministry as an itinerant rabbi can you accurately speak of the "Christian church he founded" because Jesus founded no church. Neither did Jesus found any religion.

    Jesus was born a Jew. He lived his life as an observant Jew. He died an ignoble death at the hands of the Roman magistrates and was buried according to strict Jewish custom.

    On these two points alone, Mr. Brown, you are sorely and factually wrong. It displays, Mr. Brown, your utter and complete ignorance of the actual, historical facts of the religion you call "christianity".

    Posted by: jamal49 | Aug 24, 2012 12:09:27 PM


  21. You can't fix gay, and you can't fix stupid. We were both born this way.

    Posted by: Michaelandfred | Aug 24, 2012 12:46:47 PM


  22. Brian Brown can spout all the Bible crap he wants. We are governed by the U.S. Constitution! "NOT" by whatever religion of the day is popular.

    He will find shortly that all men and women regardless of race, religion, and sexual orientation are going to have equal rights under the law.

    Posted by: Rob | Aug 24, 2012 12:46:58 PM


  23. @Gus: Amen. I wish the Religious Right (and many others, such as some posters on this blog) would realize that there are valid interpretations of Christianity besides that of the Religious Right. For that matter, I wish that Rome would realize the same.

    It is sad that some of the Religious Right are looking to deny Muslims the protection of the first amendment and even to demosque the US. This is also a consequence of the intent to prohibit Sharia law. They should try telling the Jews that they cannot practice their religious law, which they have been doing in the US since colonial times.

    As a historical footnote on slavery: just remember it was enshrined in the Constitution. Remember "three-fifths of a person"?

    Posted by: Diogenes Arktos | Aug 24, 2012 1:03:10 PM


  24. Brian Brown could that his actions are "relentlessly civilized" with a straight face, seriously?!?

    Posted by: jsb | Aug 24, 2012 1:32:27 PM


  25. The problem with BB and others is that they feel compelled to personally annoy others. It's not in reaction to anything, it's just them. Also, they are wasting their own and everyone else's time.

    Posted by: anon | Aug 24, 2012 1:53:54 PM


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