1. Randal Oulton says

    From their site — it’s like a 14 year old edited the copy; it manages to get both capitalization and verb tense wrong in the same sentence… “When Brown heard about what Savage had said about Christians and the bible, and what he had said to high school students who were offended by what he did, Brown issues a challenge to Savage who accepted…”

  2. Leonard says

    “…Brown issues a challenge to Savage to have a face-to-face debate about what the bible really says about gay marriage, which Savage accepted. ”

    We all know that NOM is a bunch of pansy-ass liars, but this is a glaring falsehood. Didn’t Dan Savage take the initiative and issue the challenge to Mr. Brown?

    God, if NOM is starting off the discussion around this video with stupid obvious lies like this, then I agree that they will heavily edit and twist the final video they post on their site

  3. says

    love the image they chose 😉

    i don’t see how savage can come away looking anything less than successful in this.

    it’s literally impossible for The Other Side to make any form of claims that can non-hypocritically be backed up by faux-slavish adherence to scripture.

    see also: the NOM brigade’s big legal team coming up with nothing more than “B-b-b-but they’re GAYYY!!” as their justification for Prop 8.

  4. Will says

    I’m dumbfounded as how that moronic father thinks, “I did notice that he didn’t say that the Qur’an was BS….” PARDON? Dan was discussing the BIBLE and America, not sure where the Qur’an fits in there.
    However if I was Dan, I probably would not have cursed, it’s not very becoming especially when you are trying to educate the young religious type.
    However, if it was the religious right, if it was their own gathering, they would simply brush it off and claim free speech and how they have every right to say what ever they want and if it offends you, you don’t believe in free speech.

  5. We are Here says

    Hmmm – six days ago, and professional media wh*re Dan Savage hasn’t been all over the place crowing about the debate –

    sounds like Dan didn’t do very well. After all, if he had, he’d have been putting the video up on the 16th.

  6. Rovex says

    NOM will think they won whatever the real outcome, they are deluded and dont care about any argument that doesnt agree with their interpretation of the Bible, whether its true or not.

  7. Marlee says

    I tend to agree with those who suggest that perhaps given NOM is promoting the video on their website and Savage has kept silent (which is NOT in keeping with his image) that maybe things didn’t go so well for Savage…not a fan personally.

  8. Chris says

    Dan Savage was on vacation out of the U.S. for a couple of weeks and apparently had Brown over for this debate shortly after coming home, but he’s not back at work yet. He’s been posting old columns on Slog with a disclaimer that reads: “I’m on hiatus while working on a manuscript for a new book. In the meantime, please enjoy these classic Savage Love letters pulled from previous columns. I will be back October 1st, when the book is finished.”

    I am hoping he hasn’t posted it yet because of his publishing deadline, rather than that it didn’t go well.

  9. EchtKultig says

    Some of us were saying a few months ago that this was a bad idea. (Candide, where are you?) The issue is you need the right person to respond to their Buy-Bull-blical gobbledygook. Unfortunately, in a debate, saying “what you’re arguing from is a fairy tale” isn’t a particularly effective rhetorical device. If Brian just regurgitates the right verses – he wins for their side. That could be why they are so anxious to post the video. If Dan merely says he doesn’t believe the Bible – that’s not an effective response. You need someone who can address the historicity of various parts of the Bible and criticize its various internal inconsistencies…as well as having to social science background and/or historical knowledge to debunk the precious assumptions of the Christianists. (for example: that Christian theocracies were sin-free. They were not: in puritan New England, there was rape, unwed teen pregnancy, mass murder, you name it. All the ills of the modern world. This is covered in the book “The Midwife’s Tale” by Laurel Thatcher Ulrich.)

Leave A Reply