1. Lets See says

    Ryan was never the Gov of Wisconsin, so that needs to be fixed.

    As is typical of so many of his ilk, they invoke the founding fathers but never really bother to actually read the documents they proclaim to hold dear. Hey Paul, how about you take five and actually read the Declaration of Independence?

  2. ? says

    Oh please, if you’re gonna quote his speech, then quote the entire speech. Ryan told it like it is, and said a bunch of things that the Obama-fanatics don’t wanna hear.

  3. Tim NC says

    If rights come from God and nature, does that mean it was all part of God’s plan that women not be allowed to vote until the 20s and that minorities not have access to their rights until the 60s?

    It makes more sense to say that no matter where you think rights come from, it takes a government to enforce everyone’s access to those rights.

  4. Tim NC says

    @? …. Yeah, why didn’t they quote the part where Ryan complained about Obama not moving ahead with the Bowles/Simpson plan that Ryan himself voted against. Or, the part where Ryan blamed the credit downgrade on Obama when it was caused by the Republicans in congress screwing with the debt ceiling. Or, the part where he blamed Obama for closing an auto plant that was closed before he got into office. Or, the part where he wants to make drastic cuts to the social safety net even though it was social security benefits after his father’s death that paid for his college education. Or the part where he continued to lie about Obama removing the work requirement from welfare even though the waivers provided to the states require a 20% increase in work from welfare. Or the part where he continued to lie about the 716 billion in Medicare savings that is also included in Ryan’s budget plan. And on, and on, and on…….. All lies, obfuscation and misdirection.

  5. RHR IN TN says

    He says he believes rights are granted by God, yet he blocks rights to certain people, and, in some cases, even wants to take away rights that he says are granted by God. I guess we know where he ranks himself…

    And right on, Tim NC! You said it better than I would have, and saved me a lot of typing! :)

  6. Jack M says

    I suppose if rights come from God and nature, we can just throw out those little scraps of paper known as the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

    What Ryan is basically saying is that the US should be a theocracy. And whose God is he talking about anyway? Why his, of course!

  7. says

    Why is something that has yet to be proven (religion) controlling SO much of our daily lives? Seriously, religious people and religion consumes an unbelievably amount of public policy, our livelihood, and our society….YET IT HASN’T BEEN PROVEN. AT ALL. AT ALL!

    I mean anyone ever step back and go….this is ABSOLUTELY RIDICULOUS!

  8. Isaac says

    man, you Americans with your religion. sure our country has religious people, but they have a great way of keeping it private and personal. Reading these stories about the religious clan in America and I and many others wonder, how is it much different than the extremist of islam in the middle east? both want to control lives based on religious beliefs, all while discriminating and starting wars all based on a chosen belief.

  9. anon says

    It’s a nod to “Endowed by their Creator” from the Declaration of Independence. That was an argument against rule by King.

    Actually, political rights come from political power and wealth. You can’t always be passive in a political society, as ACT-UP tried to warn.

  10. 2Dads says

    At 54, I honestly can’t remember a time period where religion ruled our political arena as much as it does today. That includes the 60s. The religious fringe groups sent a meme to all religious people to be as loud, vocal, and bigoted as possible, coupled with paranoia that people were out to get religious institutions, and these religious peeps have turned into the very thing they claim they want to be fighting against: freedom attackers. You justify trampling people’s rights and freedoms because your religion is sacred to you, and according to 99% of these religious elected officials, it HAS to be sacred to the rest of us too.
    Seriously, we’re back to 1948 in this country.

  11. says

    Christianity, and it’s extreme followers, will be the downfall of this nation. And you can mark these words. The religious right in this country, and their growing fundementalism WILL be the demise of this nation. Wait, watch and just witness it.

  12. Michelle says

    These Christian bible thumpers are seriously getting more crazy by the day. I mean, some of these soundbites I read from them on here TRULY are unbelievable…and then I click on the links and *they really said it* the hurricane business, and how they prayed the hurricane away out of Tampa, the business about Obama being the anti christ, the stuff about gays being placed on here by the devil to tempt society. Why are we as a country so fragile and sensitive to the emotions of militant religious folk? Why? I never got that meme and refuse to subscribe to brushing the ego of folks who are BATSH-T CRAZY. Seriously.

  13. says

    We need more athiests to run for office. And you know what? you’d be surprised at the number of people in this country who don’t believe in organized religion, and who identify as agnostic or athiest. And would proudly and pretty loudly endorse a viable candidate who was not religious.

  14. Strepsi says

    A lot of it goes to Jerry Falwell and Oral Roberts and the “moral majority” in the 80’s. Previously, Kennedy, a Catholic, had to bend over backwards to assure the nation his religion had NO place in civil governance. But now….

    With Falwell and Roberts and many more setting up “universities” to indoctrinate youth, what we see is that there is an entire generation of milennials who have grown up COMPLETELY indoctrinated at every stage of their education that America should be a theocracy (and was founded as one).

    So although Atheism and AGnosticism are growing, the religious right is ALSO growing — and unlike the left, who are fractured because they are trying to be a big tent, these Christianists march in goose step.

    It would also be amusing, if it were not so scary, how the Evangelicals have stopped hating the Catholics because they all realize they hate gay people and women more.

  15. Derrick from Philly says


    Thank you. Ryan’s delivery was so good that it frightened me about his potential appeal to undecided voters. But you’ve perfectly pointed out how much he lied. The Democrats will have to point out what a liar he is. They have to remind the voters over and over again that Ryan is a liar.

    Ryan and Romney are lying about their records; Obama and Biden can’t.

  16. Michael says

    Well, Mr. Ryan just kicked the Constitution in the teeth. Why don’t we just burn the document and just start stoning to death all non-Christians and non-heteros.

  17. King Lion says

    Give it 5 years: if this dangerous pattern of Christian elected officials + tea party + Religious right continues, I expect homosexuality to be criminalized and all non Christian believers to seriously be shunned by society in a manner which can only be compared to a more mild version of Nazi Germany. Observe their speech and actions, that’s the order we’re headed.

  18. Star says

    For the modern day Christian, it’s not enough that they are Christian, they demand YOU be too. And treat their religion like the gospel they preach it is.

  19. rayrayj says

    What a useless bag of wind. If these nut jobs win this election the US is screwed in every possible way… OK the rich won’t be screwed but everyone who is not obscenely rich is screwed. The sad and infuriating part is many won’t recognize or admit that their small, family values gubmint has shafted them.

  20. DF says

    Yes, Art and Michelle, you are on it. Remember, anyone on a sinking ship that is about to drown, will grab at anything to survive. This is exactly what they are doing, grabbing at anything. But the lies are what is hurting us all. If they told the truth and let people think for themselves it would be much different.

  21. Artie_in_Lauderale says

    Ryan could be implying:

    (1) Atheists don’t have the same legal rights as others. This is obviously false because an atheist man and an atheist woman are perfectly free to marry.

    (2) Our rights derive from the Christian Bible rather than the Constitution. Whenever someone says that our rights come from God or religion, the obvious questions is “whose God” and “whose religion”? When the Declaration of Independence says that “all men are created equal,” that’s not a reference to any religion or scripture, it’s simply saying that our rights are something that human beings are born with.

    The Declaration of Independence goes on to state that they are “endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.” Many or most of the Founding Fathers were Deists, not Christians, so their concept of the “Creator” was not a Christian one. If the “pursuit of Happiness” means anything at all, it is living your life with your mate without interference from Christianist (and possibly closeted) nut cases like Paul Ryan.

  22. Paul R says

    He completely misrepresented or flat-out lied almost endlessly. But as others have noted, he has charisma and good looks, and those sway a lot of people. I only hope the media point out that he’s a lying liarface. At points he sounded more “socialist” than Obama.

  23. i could go on, but I won't says

    He’s Catholic. They tend to be dogmatic. After all, they speak for God and with a completely straight face. They are immune to the irony of it all.

    The worst thing is that I hear he is considered an intellectual among Congressmen! Boy, are we in trouble!

  24. zekeaz says

    “We, the people of the United States of America….do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.” Apparently some Republicans are unable to read.

  25. simon says

    How can Human rights come from nature? There are no rights in the animal kingdom, just the cruellest kind of natural selection. He needs to explain himself.

  26. john says

    Wrong, wrong and wrong! The right to vote: government. The right to file joint tax returns: government. The right to equal protection under the law: government. Nature and God: evolution.

  27. JackPaper says

    First, there are a lot of ignorant people talking about how Ryan “kicked the Constitution in the teeth.” The sine qua non of the Constitution is that individual rights do not flow from the Government or the Constitution, but from natural law (sorry, but while not all of the founding fathers were Christians, those that weren’t believed in natural law). If our rights flow from the Constitution, then the 9th Amendment makes no sense because there would be no retained, but not enumerated, individual rights.

    Second, marriage equality hinges on the idea that we have “inalienable” rights – rights the government cannot take away. If the government is the SOURCE of our rights, it is logically impossible to have rights it cannot take away. Think about it, if the government gives you the right to get married, why wouldn’t it be able to refuse to give that right to a minority? The Constitution is all about restricting the federal government’s power to interfere with the rights of individuals (and the states), the EPC included.

  28. Gast says

    “Rights Come From God And Nature, Not Government”

    This is a truth. We believe in this, in our innate equality and likeness to God and to one another. Lets not perpetuate anti God attitudes on our community. He is also our God and he loves us, our creation is his will.

  29. Caliban says

    He may have a point that “Rights come from Nature.” In nature there is no distinction between male and female animals except biology and biologically determined behavior, homosexuality is widespread, and homosexual animals are not shunned or attacked for it.

    “Rights come from God”? Uh, whose God and which version of that God? The God as worshiped by Paul Ryan, a Catholic, or the Evangelical God, the Mormon God, or the Episcopal God? They ALL interpret scripture differently, emphasize some parts while basically ignoring others so the “rights” their God bestows varies.

  30. ? says

    Tim NC,
    Ryan didn’t blame Obama for closing an auto plant that was closed before he got into office. Ryan said that Obama lied by telling the workers that he would see to it that the plant would stay open for 100 years.
    Where do you get your “facts” from?, which is connected to Obama via the Annenberg Foundation?

  31. ? says

    “He completely misrepresented or flat-out lied almost endlessly. But as others have noted, he has charisma and good looks, and those sway a lot of people. I only hope the media point out that he’s a lying liarface.”

    Paul R,
    You just describe Obama to a tee. But of course, the liberal media won’t point out that Obama is a “lying liarface”.

  32. dan says

    God gives us our Constitutional rights, and I’m sure that Mr. Ryan knows exactly which rights God wants gays to have an which rights God wants gays NOT to have! Can you say AYATOLLAH??? Amazing. We are devolving SO RAPIDLY it’s frightening.

  33. Derrick from Philly says

    “But of course, the liberal media won’t point out that Obama is a ‘lying liarface'”

    How can the President get away with lying when the public can easily see his record in office?

    The Democrats will make the public get to “know” Ryan, his record, and most of all; his political philosophy.

  34. CR says

    I don’t believe in God and never will. KEEP YOU RELIGION OUT OF MY THROAT.

    Religious people are SO INSECURE with their own religion, they need to force feed it down everyonr else’s throat. It’s backfiring with thousands leaving the church.

  35. Nat says


    Thank you, I was about to start weeping in frustration.

    Believing that rights flow from government is a valid moral and legal perspective, but I don’t think the people here advocating for it fully understand the implications.

  36. Simon says

    Here is a quote from one of the founding fathers of the United States, Thomas Paine:
    “It is a perversion of terms to say that a charter gives rights. It operates by a contrary effect — that of taking rights away. Rights are inherently in all the inhabitants; but charters, by annulling those rights, in the majority, leave the right, by exclusion, in the hands of a few. … They…consequently are instruments of injustice. The fact therefore must be that the individuals themselves, each in his own personal and sovereign right, entered into a contract with each other to produce a government: and this is the only mode in which governments have a right to arise, and the only principle on which they have a right to exist.”
    Animals don’t enter into a social contract.
    Certainly Thomas Paine was no friend of the Christian God.

  37. rjp3 says

    He is a talented dangerous Vatican operative. If you ever wondered how Catholic Germany fell to a right wing nationalist theocracy in the 30s and 40s……just watch as the Ryan cult of personaluty procede.

  38. Stefan says

    A few comments on here have compared what is happening with the GOP now to the Nazis in Germany. The analogy isn’t perfect, of course. Nazism had a strong anti-capitalist stance–enough to promote active government ownership of industries for productive use. And the institutional structure is significantly different between the US and inter-War Germany, probably enough to mitigate or delay any truly pernicious outcomes.

    But beyond that there are a lot of troubling parallels. The rhetoric against minorities might not be as overt, but GOP policy can easily be read as racist. The rhetoric against women and homosexuals is similar. The reduction of class warfare within the party in favor of nationalist unity is evident in the rise and inclusion of the Tea Party. The reaction to perceived communism is similar, too, in that many Republicans view everyone else as communist. And the view of foreigners and general xenophobia are also similar. Of course, the external conditions also match up–a major economic downturn, very high unemployment, and massive debt fueled in large part by military spending.

  39. Nathan says

    I’m no fan of Paul Ryan — I yelled a lot at my TV last night during his speech — but in this case, he was essentially highlighting that the US is a republic and not a democracy. In a republic, the rights of citizens are inherent (“God-given”). In a democracy, the rights of citizens are decided by the people.

  40. MikeW says

    @Patrick “Wasn’t Darwinism nature and god”

    No. And don’t confuse social-darwinism which is a misguided hijack of the name, with actual evolutionary principles

  41. Peter says

    Hi Friends! Get out there this year and VOTE
    DEMOCRAT! We need to make the current Republican party platform equivalent to the
    extinction of the Dinosaurs.
    Peter – Obama Volunteer – Leesburg, VA.

  42. Simon says

    The so called “natural rights” has nothing to do with nature or God. It is something assumed and doesn’t need any explanation. As Pierre-Simon de Laplace’s reply to Napoleon when asked why his celestial mechanics had no mention of God :
    “Your Highness, I have no need of this hypothesis.”

  43. andrew says

    If this billion gallaxy universe has a creator, which is increasingly seen as unlikely,it certainly doesn’t give a rats ass as to what happens on this third rock from the sun in a our little inconsequential solar system. Every day in floods, tornados, hurricanes , earthquakes, and all sorts of natural disasters we see that there is no heavenly father watching over us. We see it in disease, birth defects, conjoined twins etc etc that we are on our own. So if we get our rights from “god”, we are screwed.

  44. noteasilyoffended says

    If only Christians in this country would realize that their ridiculous religious views and how they should apply to EVERYONE is NOT ONE BIT DIFFERENT than the Taliban or “muslims” they hate. The whole religious crusade thing is no different than it has been over time. And it is as dangerous and destructive as it has always been. Don’t people remember that no good comes from religious wars? God, I hate our cowardly “leaders” who cannot seem to give this country a reality check. I can’t wait to see the gingham burkas……

  45. andrew says

    @RJP: Shame on you for making that analogy. “The Ryan cult of personality. “Catholic Germany”: You do know that Germany was more Lutheran than Roman Catholic. This life long liberal democrat says: You Sir are a McCarthyite.

  46. Randal Oulton says

    Guess Ryan thinks he is worthy of overriding Thomas Jefferson, eh?

    “No man shall be compelled to frequent or support any religious worship, place, or ministry whatsoever, nor shall be enforced, restrained, molested, or burthened in his body or goods, nor… otherwise suffer on account of his religious opinions or belief… All men shall be free to profess and by argument to maintain their opinions in matters of religion, and… the same shall in no wise diminish, enlarge, or affect their civil capacities.” –Thomas Jefferson: Statute for Religious Freedom, 1779. ME 2:302, Papers 2:546

    “Our civil rights have no dependence upon our religious opinions more than our opinions in physics or geometry.” –Thomas Jefferson: Statute for Religious Freedom, 1779. ME 2:301, Papers 2:545

    “We have no right to prejudice another in his civil enjoyments because he is of another church.” –Thomas Jefferson: Notes on Religion, 1776. Papers 1:546

    “The proscribing any citizen as unworthy the public confidence by laying upon him an incapacity of being called to offices of trust and emolument unless he profess or renounce this or that religious opinion is depriving him injuriously of those privileges and advantages to which, in common with his fellow citizens, he has a natural right.” –Thomas Jefferson: Statute for Religious Freedom, 1779. ME 2:301, Papers 2:546

  47. Tarc says

    Well, we can expect any votes for Romney/Ryan to be written by god him/her/itself? Until then I’d rather see the entire country dropped in a wood chipper that vote for those inane extremists.

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